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Post by richie on Jan 11, 2023 8:18:25 GMT
Absolutely. He's young enough to come good. There are others who just simply arnt good enough for where joey wants to take us. Players like loft run about and put in a lot of effort but just havnt got the quality to play in a top half league one side. Tonight highlighted the lack of genuine in-depth quality within the squad and being maybe 5 or 6 quality players short in the squad to rotate with any confidence. If we can add and bridge that gap over the next couple of windows then it is going to continue to be an exciting journey that will hopefully lead to the Championship in due course. Dare to dream! Completely agree with this, the other take away from this for me other than the defence being really poor (and won’t get us up any further) is that I don’t know who the best XI would be if all fit, and then with a couple of injury prone players in the mix like Rossiter and Lewis Gibson and it exposes the lack of depth further. We need 5 new players when the dead wood leaves and I think there might even be more dead wood than we realise. On my chopping block would be Gibbons and Marquis. Wouldn’t take Bobby Thomas back either. Another issue is that Evans and McCormick were supposed to be our midfield star dynamos and after 20+ games both have been poor
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Post by westfieldgas on Jan 11, 2023 8:36:06 GMT
Praying for a bit of news on transfer front today or tomorrow….
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 11, 2023 8:36:48 GMT
There seems to be a huge gulf between League 2 and League 1 recently. Far more so than I recall in the past. Lots of big spending big clubs in L1 and nothing much comparable in L2. I think the transition is harder than it's ever been, so much credit to JB for getting us into the position we are today. The top half of L1 looks like a Championship table. Over the last 15 or so years the size of the clubs that have ended up in League 1 mainly due to financial mismanagement are definitely bigger and is far more commonplace than ever before. Leeds, Sunderland, Forest, both Sheffield clubs, Leicester, Wolves, Southampton, Portsmouth, Norwich, Ipswich, Coventry, Derby and Charlton have all dropped into it. You used to get the odd one, like Man City but it was pretty rare. Now it seems every season another big club comes down and most of them are staying down a few years, they're not bouncing straight back up. So in terms of stadiums,attendances,budgets and general size of club, you could say there's a huge gulf from League 2 to League 1. In terms of the actual calibre of players and general quality of the playing squads I don't think there actually is though Out of the 4 promoted teams from League 2 last season its only Forest Green that have struggled. Ourselves, Exeter and Port Vale are all in the top half and not far off the top 6. While out of the 4 teams that got relegated from League 1 last season 3 of them are in the bottom half of League 2. Its only Doncaster who are 10th in the top half, Wimbledon are 13th, Crewe are 17th and Gillingham are rock bottom with just 14 points and unbelievably have only scored 7 goals. Also the top of the charts for both goals and assists in League 1 is our very own Aaron Collins, and in 2nd spot currently is Jevani Brown at Exeter. Agree with that. I've long thought that with the advent of the Premier league and especially parachute payments and general TV and other associated revenues, the glass ceiling has dropped down maybe 6 to 10 teams. This has resulted in what we've long thought as (former) Division 2 teams dropping to Division 3 and so on. There probably isn't a great difference from mid League 1 to mid Conference in that several teams could move between them. With that in mind, top 6 Championship is largely ex Prem and so correspondingly to break into the top 6 League 1 is a great achievement, over and above what historically is needed.
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Post by mftc on Jan 11, 2023 8:39:53 GMT
There seems to be a huge gulf between League 2 and League 1 recently. Far more so than I recall in the past. Lots of big spending big clubs in L1 and nothing much comparable in L2. I think the transition is harder than it's ever been, so much credit to JB for getting us into the position we are today. The top half of L1 looks like a Championship table. Over the last 15 or so years the size of the clubs that have ended up in League 1 mainly due to financial mismanagement are definitely bigger and is far more commonplace than ever before. Leeds, Sunderland, Forest, both Sheffield clubs, Leicester, Wolves, Southampton, Portsmouth, Norwich, Ipswich, Coventry, Derby and Charlton have all dropped into it. You used to get the odd one, like Man City but it was pretty rare. Now it seems every season another big club comes down and most of them are staying down a few years, they're not bouncing straight back up. So in terms of stadiums,attendances,budgets and general size of club, you could say there's a huge gulf from League 2 to League 1. In terms of the actual calibre of players and general quality of the playing squads I don't think there actually is though Out of the 4 promoted teams from League 2 last season its only Forest Green that have struggled. Ourselves, Exeter and Port Vale are all in the top half and not far off the top 6. While out of the 4 teams that got relegated from League 1 last season 3 of them are in the bottom half of League 2. Its only Doncaster who are 10th in the top half, Wimbledon are 13th, Crewe are 17th and Gillingham are rock bottom with just 14 points and unbelievably have only scored 7 goals. Also the top of the charts for both goals and assists in League 1 is our very own Aaron Collins, and in 2nd spot currently is Jevani Brown at Exeter. Are we not guilty of financial mis-management? If we are spending £2 million more than we earn, that has to have serious issues in the future. If Wael ever says enough is enough, we will probably have to go back to a Garner type season with an inexperienced manager bringing in journeymen and relying on youngsters and sell anyone they can. It may have worked at Twerton for Bobby Gould but he had some nouse, but I don't think my heart can take much more of it, as it was a lot of squeeky bum time.
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Post by westfieldgas on Jan 11, 2023 9:27:08 GMT
Walsall & Tranmere have had bids accepted for FGR forward Jamille Matt. Has impressed me in recent seasons.
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Post by percy on Jan 11, 2023 9:35:44 GMT
I hope we weren’t banking on Taylor becoming available again in Jan. we are woefully short of cover at the back. Made worse by Kilgour not being played (even last night or ahead of Whelan at CB), Clarke being loaned and Gibson being injury prone. Those calling for Gordon, Gibbons and Hoole to be loaned out - do you really think we can get 6 better players in? I think we can/should upgrade at LB and CB and get cover for RB. With Gibbons, Thomas and Gordon then providing cover.
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Post by pirate on Jan 11, 2023 9:35:55 GMT
Walsall & Tranmere have had bids accepted for FGR forward Jamille Matt. Has impressed me in recent seasons. Decent for League Two.
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Post by pirate on Jan 11, 2023 9:37:08 GMT
I hope we weren’t banking on Taylor becoming available again in Jan. we are woefully short of cover at the back. Made worse by Kilgour not being played (even last night or ahead of Whelan at CB), Clarke being loaned and Gibson being injury prone. Those calling for Gordon, Gibbons and Hoole to be loaned out - do you really think we can get 6 better players in? I think we can/should upgrade at LB and CB and get cover for RB. With Gibbons, Thomas and Gordon then providing cover. Yes.
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Post by percy on Jan 11, 2023 9:49:06 GMT
I hope we weren’t banking on Taylor becoming available again in Jan. we are woefully short of cover at the back. Made worse by Kilgour not being played (even last night or ahead of Whelan at CB), Clarke being loaned and Gibson being injury prone. Those calling for Gordon, Gibbons and Hoole to be loaned out - do you really think we can get 6 better players in? I think we can/should upgrade at LB and CB and get cover for RB. With Gibbons, Thomas and Gordon then providing cover. Yes. Let’s hope they are all better and gel quickly then. Personally would rather not start again with over half the season gone.
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Post by pirate on Jan 11, 2023 9:56:41 GMT
Let’s hope they are all better and gel quickly then. Personally would rather not start again with over half the season gone. Ideally you would like maybe 3 or 4 quality players to add to the group, but if the right players became available then you just have to roll with it.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 11, 2023 10:01:49 GMT
Over the last 15 or so years the size of the clubs that have ended up in League 1 mainly due to financial mismanagement are definitely bigger and is far more commonplace than ever before. Leeds, Sunderland, Forest, both Sheffield clubs, Leicester, Wolves, Southampton, Portsmouth, Norwich, Ipswich, Coventry, Derby and Charlton have all dropped into it. You used to get the odd one, like Man City but it was pretty rare. Now it seems every season another big club comes down and most of them are staying down a few years, they're not bouncing straight back up. So in terms of stadiums,attendances,budgets and general size of club, you could say there's a huge gulf from League 2 to League 1. In terms of the actual calibre of players and general quality of the playing squads I don't think there actually is though Out of the 4 promoted teams from League 2 last season its only Forest Green that have struggled. Ourselves, Exeter and Port Vale are all in the top half and not far off the top 6. While out of the 4 teams that got relegated from League 1 last season 3 of them are in the bottom half of League 2. Its only Doncaster who are 10th in the top half, Wimbledon are 13th, Crewe are 17th and Gillingham are rock bottom with just 14 points and unbelievably have only scored 7 goals. Also the top of the charts for both goals and assists in League 1 is our very own Aaron Collins, and in 2nd spot currently is Jevani Brown at Exeter. Are we not guilty of financial mis-management? If we are spending £2 million more than we earn, that has to have serious issues in the future. If Wael ever says enough is enough, we will probably have to go back to a Garner type season with an inexperienced manager bringing in journeymen and relying on youngsters and sell anyone they can. It may have worked at Twerton for Bobby Gould but he had some nouse, but I don't think my heart can take much more of it, as it was a lot of squeeky bum time. Oh absolutely we have been Over the last 20 odd years we have been terribly run, by far and away the lowest ebb in the clubs history. But we've never gone into administration, like Leeds, Derby, Portsmouth, Sheffield Wednesday, Coventry, Bolton etc
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Post by westfieldgas on Jan 11, 2023 10:05:40 GMT
Blimey! Timothy Dieng signs for Gillingham from Exeter after a release clause was activated. Big money trying to stay up. Wonder if we can tempt them into taking Westbrooke?
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Post by Claremont Gas on Jan 11, 2023 10:18:20 GMT
Praying for a bit of news on transfer front today or tomorrow…. Wouldn't waste your effort - JB loves to tell us that the value is at the end of the window .... meanwhile our defence will have conceded another 10 goals in January.
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 11, 2023 10:19:19 GMT
Talk on the Exeter forum that we put an offer in for Archie Collins. Cant say ive heard anything but you dont hear many rumours these days which is a good thing.
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Post by westfieldgas on Jan 11, 2023 10:30:24 GMT
Talk on the Exeter forum that we put an offer in for Archie Collins. Cant say ive heard anything but you dont hear many rumours these days which is a good thing. Now that would be one hell of a signing. Read somewhere that Rotherham, Wigan & 82ers are keen on him. Out of contract in the summer too. Local lad to us I believe?
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jan 11, 2023 10:32:21 GMT
Talk on the Exeter forum that we put an offer in for Archie Collins. Cant say ive heard anything but you dont hear many rumours these days which is a good thing. Now that would be one hell of a signing. Read somewhere that Rotherham, Wigan & 82ers are keen on him. Out of contract in the summer too. Local lad to us I believe? Yeah Taunton. Jevani Brown also turned down a contract and is free to leave in the summer apparently. I can see Exeter back down to L2 before long
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Post by GasAttacK on Jan 11, 2023 10:35:55 GMT
To keep ourselves in the top half of L1 and have any chance of challenging for the top 6 we need 3 or 4 quality defenders and at least 1 midfielder. Don't know much about Archie Collins. Would he be a decent signing? How does he compare to our current midfielders? Looks like he's mulling over a new contract offer at Exeter but hasn't signed it yet, so is out of contract in the summer. www.devonlive.com/sport/football/football-news/exeter-citys-archie-collins-offered-7962131Probably no truth in the rumour anyway, but we haven't been linked with anyone else so there hasn't been much transfer discussion this month.
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Post by westfieldgas on Jan 11, 2023 10:41:50 GMT
I expect a journalist will catch news on Collins deal soon if there is indeed any truth.
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Post by pirate on Jan 11, 2023 10:44:19 GMT
Now that would be one hell of a signing. Read somewhere that Rotherham, Wigan & 82ers are keen on him. Out of contract in the summer too. Local lad to us I believe? Yeah Taunton. Jevani Brown also turned down a contract and is free to leave in the summer apparently. I can see Exeter back down to L2 before long Really impressed by Sam Nombe when I've seen him over past year or so.
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Post by westfieldgas on Jan 11, 2023 10:44:45 GMT
Sheffield Wednesday leading Exeter City, Burton Albion & a number of other League One clubs to sign Mattie Pollock (centre half) from Watford…..
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