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Post by eric on Sept 28, 2023 14:25:28 GMT
I’m going to reserve judgement on whether it’s farcical until bums are on South Stand seats and we can look at how we’ve got from point A (knowing we were going to be in League one and needing extra capacity) to point B (when it’s fully open). If at the end of the day we’ve moved from A to B in a decent timeframe then what does “all the noise in between” really matter?Building anything in Bristol, especially where Greens are so prevalent, was never going to be seamless even if we’d done everything we needed to do in an impeccable manner. What does decent time frame mean. given we were told it would be ready for the start of the season (even though anyone with no knowledge could see that was going to be a stretch). All the problems stem from lack of consultation in the first place, because they wanted to get it built ASAP and we are currently building it without planning permission It will get built, a few neighbours might be upset but we will move on. Just hpe the club actually learn some lessons for if we try to do anything else at the mem or anywhere else I’m not convinced any amount of “consultation” will have helped. There are too many nimbies along with Bristols resident professional protestors and greenies who love to stick their noses in purely to obstruct and delay anything we try and do. I don’t see anything wrong in wanting to get it built asap and I’m sure we will have outsourced to relevant planning professionals rather than dealing with the whole complex process in-house. Possibly guilty of over optimism re timescales with Bristols recent history? Maybe. As for decent timeframes if we’ve got the stand in use Oct/Nov then I’d be very happy with what an 8-9 month turnaround? When I first heard of the temporary new stand I never anticipated anything as big, solid and “permanent” looking as what we are getting so that combined with inevitable political grandstanding and troublemakers delaying tactics along the way we might not end up having done too badly. Those who love to give the club a kicking at every opportunity will obviously see things different which is fine! |
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Post by gashead79 on Sept 28, 2023 14:26:27 GMT
Resubmitting PP doesn't feel embarrassing or shambolic to me at all fsr. Fairly normal for changes to be made after initial submission and consultation requirements. The impact on supporters and the random drip feeding of info is mildly annoying g though. Then when it is magnified and blown put of proportion here, its even worse!😖 you normally do that before you start work though. How much money have we/will we lose compared to keeping the tents for another season whilst we sorted out PP properly in the first place Don't know? Does money even matter? We saved 800k on a potential transfer a few weeks ago.. |
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Post by warwickgas on Sept 28, 2023 14:39:21 GMT
What a complete and utter clusterf*ck. I drove from the Midlands to the club shop to choose and pay for my season ticket seat in the new stand. I chose what I thought would be a central seat but they weren’t sure as they had no detailed plan of the completed stand. I paid up at the discounted early price. We then have the planning issues and the Green obstruction and I now get an eticket to stand on the west terrace. At my age I shouldn’t have to stand for hours and I am not comfortable. Will now be requesting a complete refund. Why did you need to drive for that? Surely this is a telephone or online task? you could only choose your seat by going personally to the club shop on one morning only and at a restricted time. You also had to pay for your chosen seat at the same time. This was back in June If I remember correctly. |
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Post by bidefordgas on Sept 28, 2023 14:45:32 GMT
Why did you need to drive for that? Surely this is a telephone or online task? you could only choose your seat by going personally to the club shop on one morning only and at a restricted time. You also had to pay for your chosen seat at the same time. This was back in June If I remember correctly. I remember that was the case for gasheads who had already purchased their ST and wanted to move to the new stand. |
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Post by wallywalters on Sept 28, 2023 14:50:03 GMT
The planning application is still on the Bristol city Council website as 'pending consideration' and we have heard nothing from the club. Until there is concrete evidence of the planning application being withdrawn then I will take the 'neighbours' reported comments with a pinch of salt. Surely the best thing to do is get the present plans approved and then make another application for changes. At least then we can get the south stand finished and earning revenue for the club. It's not just neighbours comments it's local councillors that have also tweeted saying the plans have been withdrawn. It's happening |
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Post by percy on Sept 28, 2023 15:10:45 GMT
We dust ourselves down and go again
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 28, 2023 15:16:38 GMT
It's all a bit odd withdrawing the planning application now we've half completed the stand, which I assume was built to the original plans.
I assume we'll now have to apply for retrospective pp given that work is already well under way?
If the timetable starts again from when we submit the new plans then we may not get pp this season.
Perhaps the new owners are now going to seek pp for a complete stadium redevelopment?
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Post by oviedista on Sept 28, 2023 15:17:49 GMT
What does decent time frame mean. given we were told it would be ready for the start of the season (even though anyone with no knowledge could see that was going to be a stretch). All the problems stem from lack of consultation in the first place, because they wanted to get it built ASAP and we are currently building it without planning permission It will get built, a few neighbours might be upset but we will move on. Just hpe the club actually learn some lessons for if we try to do anything else at the mem or anywhere else I’m not convinced any amount of “consultation” will have helped. There are too many nimbies along with Bristols resident professional protestors and greenies who love to stick their noses in purely to obstruct and delay anything we try and do. I don’t see anything wrong in wanting to get it built asap and I’m sure we will have outsourced to relevant planning professionals rather than dealing with the whole complex process in-house. Possibly guilty of over optimism re timescales with Bristols recent history? Maybe. As for decent timeframes if we’ve got the stand in use Oct/Nov then I’d be very happy with what an 8-9 month turnaround? When I first heard of the temporary new stand I never anticipated anything as big, solid and “permanent” looking as what we are getting so that combined with inevitable political grandstanding and troublemakers delaying tactics along the way we might not end up having done too badly. Those who love to give the club a kicking at every opportunity will obviously see things different which is fine! Alternatively, it's not unreasonable to imagine that if we had consulted in the first place the new application would have been the original one and while I can't see the stand being completed and planning permitted in time for the start of the season in any circumstances - it might be about now that the stand would be set to open. I'm happy about the club's ambition here and I'm generally supportive of the work the club have done in recent years but for me there's no way to avoid holding them accountable for this mess (+ they have pretty much accepted responsibility themselves.). |
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Post by Sir Trevor on Sept 28, 2023 15:22:12 GMT
Withdrawing and resubmitting, with revisions and improvements, is routine.
Evidence of listening and responding positively.
Nothing to be overly concerned about.
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Post by percy on Sept 28, 2023 15:24:35 GMT
Withdrawing and resubmitting, with revisions and improvements, is routine. Evidence of listening and responding positively. Nothing to be overly concerned about. Except time? Surely no PP now until new year at least. Will that stop us using it? Who knows. |
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Post by yattongas on Sept 28, 2023 15:35:35 GMT
Withdrawing and resubmitting, with revisions and improvements, is routine. Evidence of listening and responding positively. Nothing to be overly concerned about. Reading that article , resubmitting will mean going to the back of the queue again . Is that right ? |
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Post by amgas on Sept 28, 2023 15:43:30 GMT
Not sure why people think lack of planning permission will stop us using it - once it is finished bums will be on the seats. None of the small stands people have been sitting in over recent weeks have planning permission.
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Post by gingerandwhitegas on Sept 28, 2023 15:48:17 GMT
Has the club made an official statement as yet? Just asking as this is all news to me Relax , this is important stuff , of course they won't be making a statement |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 28, 2023 15:51:33 GMT
Not sure why people think lack of planning permission will stop us using it - once it is finished bums will be on the seats. None of the small stands people have been sitting in over recent weeks have planning permission. It's hardly a good advert for the new owners, just sticking two fingers up at the planning laws? |
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Post by wertongas on Sept 28, 2023 15:59:41 GMT
It maybe that by re-submitting the plans and all relevant paperwork as requested by Officers and objectors , the club are hoping they will have removed the grounds for Councillors to send the application to go to committee. Although when I was last in contact with TG he told me after a meeting with Edwards that she expected the Committee to pass the application . If there is a new application then Councillor's may not get the chance to vote on it this time around if there are no strong grounds to take it to committee if all objections have been covered in the new application. I have just contacted TG, waiting to see if he replys.
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 28, 2023 16:14:13 GMT
Withdrawing and resubmitting, with revisions and improvements, is routine. Evidence of listening and responding positively. Nothing to be overly concerned about. Reading that article , resubmitting will mean going to the back of the queue again . Is that right ? It also suggests unless Forbes calls the plans in again the revised plans won't need to go before the committee and so are granted to be approved, which won't be the case if they go before the committee. I assume Forbes as basically forced us into agreeing her suggestions re solar panels etc so we can get pp? |
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Post by wertongas on Sept 28, 2023 16:23:35 GMT
Reading that article , resubmitting will mean going to the back of the queue again . Is that right ? It also suggests unless Forbes calls the plans in again the revised plans won't need to go before the committee and so are granted to be approved, which won't be the case if they go before the committee. I assume Forbes as basically forced us into agreeing her suggestions re solar panels etc so we can get pp? You got it Topper , all objections will be wiped out with the new application so if the objections have been met, which they appear to have been, the Greens won't be able to call the application in and vote against it. There is a methord in the clubs madness. Edwards won't be happy. |
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Post by percy on Sept 28, 2023 16:25:22 GMT
so no new photos then
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Post by baggins on Sept 28, 2023 16:33:39 GMT
Something to do with additional disabled seats? Or at least better disabled access?
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Post by singupgas on Sept 28, 2023 16:38:13 GMT
Not sure why people think lack of planning permission will stop us using it - once it is finished bums will be on the seats. None of the small stands people have been sitting in over recent weeks have planning permission. It's hardly a good advert for the new owners, just sticking two fingers up at the planning laws? Also how would the club get a safety certificate for the new stand to be used? |
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