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Post by DrFaustus on Sept 29, 2023 6:31:00 GMT
Alcudia didn't think much of it, much preferred Salou Alcudia is way too "Brits abroad", which is sound if you want that stuff. There are some bloody beautiful parts of Mallorca and all the islands, mind. 🏴☠️🇪🇸
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Post by bidefordgas on Sept 29, 2023 7:29:51 GMT
Alcudia didn't think much of it, much preferred Salou Alcudia is way too "Brits abroad", which is sound if you want that stuff. There are some bloody beautiful parts of Mallorca and all the islands, mind. 🏴☠️🇪🇸 Port de Pollenca, Port de Soller.
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Post by orgasmic on Sept 29, 2023 7:42:42 GMT
Surely your joking. Councillors have used political reasons and spurious reasons since day dot to stall and hinder planning applications that don't suit their agenda. It won't be that difficult to find the slightest thing the club have missed off the application to call it in again to delay. Youd be extremely naive to think they won't do it again after our history with them and the locals since our tenure at the mem began. What exactly do you imagine this agenda is that means they object in essence to the construction of a semi permanent football stand? At the heart of it the Greens are anti capitalist which plays out in a capitalist society as anti progress. When Sainsburys applied for PP at the Mem I was heavily involved and worked with the Sainsburys planning team to try and get it over the line. I spoke numerous times to the Greens on Gloucester Road when they were out getting signatures to try and block PP being granted. To the public they used a variety of reasons, but when I debated those issues with them they conceded that they were anti capitalist and didn’t want a large chain store being built. They went as far as to tell me it was a coordinated national effort to derail developments that didn’t conform to their ideologies. So Greens from other parts of the country would help disrupt things in Bristol and they would help disrupt things in other areas of the country. A very dangerous group who pretend to be about the environment but will stop progress regardless of whether the majority feel it’s beneficial.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Sept 29, 2023 8:06:41 GMT
Alcudia is way too "Brits abroad", which is sound if you want that stuff. There are some bloody beautiful parts of Mallorca and all the islands, mind. 🏴☠️🇪🇸 Port de Pollenca, Port de Soller. Go to Pollenca every year but you have to be of a certain age!!
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Post by percy on Sept 29, 2023 8:15:23 GMT
Loving the national Green conspiracies on here. All as one party has ACTUALLY screwed the country over the past 13 years.
Back to the stand. Gets some photos on here.
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Post by orgasmic on Sept 29, 2023 8:26:40 GMT
Loving the national Green conspiracies on here. All as one party has ACTUALLY screwed the country over the past 13 years. Back to the stand. Gets some photos on here. If you are referring to my post it isn’t a conspiracy. I was told directly by a Green MP and a Green councillor.
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Post by DrFaustus on Sept 29, 2023 8:36:10 GMT
Port de Pollenca, Port de Soller. Go to Pollenca every year but you have to be of a certain age!! A tick in that box from me CG. Puerto de Soller is fantastic. Also if you want tranquility, Deià up on the North-East is great.
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Post by percy on Sept 29, 2023 8:37:49 GMT
Loving the national Green conspiracies on here. All as one party has ACTUALLY screwed the country over the past 13 years. Back to the stand. Gets some photos on here. If you are referring to my post it isn’t a conspiracy. I was told directly by a Green MP and a Green councillor. all parties "derail (stuff) that doesnt conform to their ideologies" isnt that their point? In that i'd say those that are most "dangerous" are ones whose only ideology is to make more money for a tiny percentage of people and screw everyone and everyhing else. But we are way off topic.
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Post by heartofgas on Sept 29, 2023 8:59:41 GMT
If you are referring to my post it isn’t a conspiracy. I was told directly by a Green MP and a Green councillor. all parties "derail (stuff) that doesnt conform to their ideologies" isnt that their point? In that i'd say those that are most "dangerous" are ones whose only ideology is to make more money for a tiny percentage of people and screw everyone and everything else. But we are way off topic. Not to derail this into another political conversation but there is a difference. One is acting out of ideology and the other is acting to run society and the country. the greens have never really been in charge of anything. They are a party of protest and pretty much always oppose anything that others would call development. Name one development the Greens have actually been in favour of and supported? and I agree with the original post. I know a green party member and they are ideologically opposed to the motor car. Aside from the pollution they see that resources should be shared and public transport being the only option. A communist view. Fortunately the greens will never get any real power but they will have the power to play the system and frustrate and obstruct.
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Post by supergas on Sept 29, 2023 9:32:34 GMT
To me the structure design is different to the plans, there’s one less pillar than planned, are they changing to go into the away terrace? The pillars match the detailed plans already submitted but not the 3D mock-ups (which were done earlier than the official plans). The 3D mockups also don't match the later locations of the supporters access points either - clearly they were an early proof of concept, not a final design...
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Post by oviedista on Sept 29, 2023 9:40:49 GMT
all parties "derail (stuff) that doesnt conform to their ideologies" isnt that their point? In that i'd say those that are most "dangerous" are ones whose only ideology is to make more money for a tiny percentage of people and screw everyone and everything else. But we are way off topic. Not to derail this into another political conversation but there is a difference. One is acting out of ideology and the other is acting to run society and the country. the greens have never really been in charge of anything. They are a party of protest and pretty much always oppose anything that others would call development. Name one development the Greens have actually been in favour of and supported? and I agree with the original post. I know a green party member and they are ideologically opposed to the motor car. Aside from the pollution they see that resources should be shared and public transport being the only option. A communist view. Fortunately the greens will never get any real power but they will have the power to play the system and frustrate and obstruct. "the other is acting to run society and the country" So the Tory's have just been objectively doing the best they can to run society without any other motivation?' But the Greens are ideologically driven? Sure the Greens are ideologically in favour of say nationalising water industries but then all other parties are ideologically in favour of keeping them in private hands. They also have no reason - ideological or otherwise - to oppose the construction of a small stand at Rovers in principle. Also other parties are ideologically pro car and pro car industry. London is a city in which most people travel by public transport and is not communist it just decided to do things differently. Anyway only important point to this thread is that all parties are ideological and people's personal politics (and ideology) is massively over politicising what is actually just a logistical and procedural shambles.
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Post by bidefordgas on Sept 29, 2023 9:46:45 GMT
Go to Pollenca every year but you have to be of a certain age!! A tick in that box from me CG. Puerto de Soller is fantastic. Also if you want tranquility, Deià up on the North-East is great. Well that’s three of us in agreement, a rare thing on this forum!
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Post by supergas on Sept 29, 2023 10:05:54 GMT
Not to derail this into another political conversation but there is a difference. One is acting out of ideology and the other is acting to run society and the country. the greens have never really been in charge of anything. They are a party of protest and pretty much always oppose anything that others would call development. Name one development the Greens have actually been in favour of and supported? and I agree with the original post. I know a green party member and they are ideologically opposed to the motor car. Aside from the pollution they see that resources should be shared and public transport being the only option. A communist view. Fortunately the greens will never get any real power but they will have the power to play the system and frustrate and obstruct. "the other is acting to run society and the country" So the Tory's have just been objectively doing the best they can to run society without any other motivation?' But the Greens are ideologically driven? Sure the Greens are ideologically in favour of say nationalising water industries but then all other parties are ideologically in favour of keeping them in private hands. They also have no reason - ideological or otherwise - to oppose the construction of a small stand at Rovers in principle. Also other parties are ideologically pro car and pro car industry. London is a city in which most people travel by public transport and is not communist it just decided to do things differently. Anyway only important point to this thread is that all parties are ideological and people's personal politics (and ideology) is massively over politicising what is actually just a logistical and procedural shambles. A lot of Rovers supporters, many on this forum, remember the extreme (and some would say unethical) steps that local Green Party activists took to derail the club's last attempt to develop a new ground (and in turn the current site). There was a lot more to it than this, but the short version was that local Green Party councillors and their Green party activists formed a limited company to hide the funding that allowed them to launch a Judicial Review that was effectively laughed out of court - all to stop a development they didn't like but one that had already passed every other planning hurdle. Whilst the Judicial Review failed, the costs and delays incurred meant the plan had to be abandoned and whilst the club survived it risked the financial future of the club all to meet the Green's ideological ideas... Radice (who was my local councillor at the time) failed to respond to my very polite emails and social media posts about what she was doing and why she was doing it, leaving me effectively unrepresented as a local resident. Hardly an acceptable way for an elected representative to behave.... ...so the long and the short of it is that whilst a week is a long time in politics, it will take a lot of Bristol Rovers supporters a *very* long time to forget, let alone forgive what the local Green Party did to our club....
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Post by tbonegas on Sept 29, 2023 10:13:24 GMT
Go to Pollenca every year but you have to be of a certain age!! A tick in that box from me CG. Puerto de Soller is fantastic. Also if you want tranquility, Deià up on the North-East is great. Love Pollensa, but my favorite part of Mallorca has to be Cala d'Or.
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Post by wallywalters on Sept 29, 2023 10:25:04 GMT
"the other is acting to run society and the country" So the Tory's have just been objectively doing the best they can to run society without any other motivation?' But the Greens are ideologically driven? Sure the Greens are ideologically in favour of say nationalising water industries but then all other parties are ideologically in favour of keeping them in private hands. They also have no reason - ideological or otherwise - to oppose the construction of a small stand at Rovers in principle. Also other parties are ideologically pro car and pro car industry. London is a city in which most people travel by public transport and is not communist it just decided to do things differently. Anyway only important point to this thread is that all parties are ideological and people's personal politics (and ideology) is massively over politicising what is actually just a logistical and procedural shambles. A lot of Rovers supporters, many on this forum, remember the extreme (and some would say unethical) steps that local Green Party activists took to derail the club's last attempt to develop a new ground (and in turn the current site). There was a lot more to it than this, but the short version was that local Green Party councillors and their Green party activists formed a limited company to hide the funding that allowed them to launch a Judicial Review that was effectively laughed out of court - all to stop a development they didn't like but one that had already passed every other planning hurdle. Whilst the Judicial Review failed, the costs and delays incurred meant the plan had to be abandoned and whilst the club survived it risked the financial future of the club all to meet the Green's ideological ideas... Radice (who was my local councillor at the time) failed to respond to my very polite emails and social media posts about what she was doing and why she was doing it, leaving me effectively unrepresented as a local resident. Hardly an acceptable way for an elected representative to behave.... ...so the long and the short of it is that whilst a week is a long time in politics, it will take a lot of Bristol Rovers supporters a *very* long time to forget, let alone forgive what the local Green Party did to our club.... That is exactly my feelings towards the green party supergas very well summed up. All parties are as bad as each other but the greens seem to have a unhealthy hatred of anything we try to do at the mem. Edwards tweets on the re submission of plans using the words * sigh * don't feel me with confidence that she won't call it in again. If she does call it in again I don't think even the most ardent of green supporter could defend her actions as representing her local constituents.
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Post by orgasmic on Sept 29, 2023 10:58:49 GMT
If you are referring to my post it isn’t a conspiracy. I was told directly by a Green MP and a Green councillor. all parties "derail (stuff) that doesnt conform to their ideologies" isnt that their point? In that i'd say those that are most "dangerous" are ones whose only ideology is to make more money for a tiny percentage of people and screw everyone and everyhing else. But we are way off topic. In the interests of avoiding political chat, my only point is that what I posted was not a conspiracy theory. What I posted was 100% factual and in direct response to someone asking a question. My personal take on politics in none of the parties in my lifetime have done a great job and choosing between them is like deciding between a day watching Bristol C*ty or a day watching Swindon! None really appeal, but for whatever reason 1 appeals more than the other options!
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Post by DrFaustus on Sept 29, 2023 11:00:45 GMT
A tick in that box from me CG. Puerto de Soller is fantastic. Also if you want tranquility, Deià up on the North-East is great. Well that’s three of us in agreement, a rare thing on this forum! All of a certain "vintage" maybe. 😁🇪🇸
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Post by supergas on Sept 29, 2023 11:01:10 GMT
A lot of Rovers supporters, many on this forum, remember the extreme (and some would say unethical) steps that local Green Party activists took to derail the club's last attempt to develop a new ground (and in turn the current site). There was a lot more to it than this, but the short version was that local Green Party councillors and their Green party activists formed a limited company to hide the funding that allowed them to launch a Judicial Review that was effectively laughed out of court - all to stop a development they didn't like but one that had already passed every other planning hurdle. Whilst the Judicial Review failed, the costs and delays incurred meant the plan had to be abandoned and whilst the club survived it risked the financial future of the club all to meet the Green's ideological ideas... Radice (who was my local councillor at the time) failed to respond to my very polite emails and social media posts about what she was doing and why she was doing it, leaving me effectively unrepresented as a local resident. Hardly an acceptable way for an elected representative to behave.... ...so the long and the short of it is that whilst a week is a long time in politics, it will take a lot of Bristol Rovers supporters a *very* long time to forget, let alone forgive what the local Green Party did to our club.... That is exactly my feelings towards the green party supergas very well summed up. All parties are as bad as each other but the greens seem to have a unhealthy hatred of anything we try to do at the mem. Edwards tweets on the re submission of plans using the words * sigh * don't feel me with confidence that she won't call it in again. If she does call it in again I don't think even the most ardent of green supporter could defend her actions as representing her local constituents. Ten years ago the Green Party councillors and activists had a very clear aim - they wanted the Memorial Ground to remain a sports venue. I can't remember their exact 'demands' but I'm pretty sure they wanted to see the venue remain a sporting community asset....and yet their first actions when we propose a modest improvement (the first in decades) is to delay and disrupt. Again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2023 11:14:18 GMT
That is exactly my feelings towards the green party supergas very well summed up. All parties are as bad as each other but the greens seem to have a unhealthy hatred of anything we try to do at the mem. Edwards tweets on the re submission of plans using the words * sigh * don't feel me with confidence that she won't call it in again. If she does call it in again I don't think even the most ardent of green supporter could defend her actions as representing her local constituents. Ten years ago the Green Party councillors and activists had a very clear aim - they wanted the Memorial Ground to remain a sports venue. I can't remember their exact 'demands' but I'm pretty sure they wanted to see the venue remain a sporting community asset....and yet their first actions when we propose a modest improvement (the first in decades) is to delay and disrupt. Again. think all you need to know about the greens is they are preaching hypocrites
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Post by gonzales on Sept 29, 2023 11:20:37 GMT
Anyway only important point to this thread is that all parties are ideological and people's personal politics (and ideology) is massively over politicising what is actually just a logistical and procedural shambles. This ☝ One hundred thousand times, this! Feels like your in a Le Carre novel reading some of the bollocks on this forum. UTFG
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