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Post by oviedista on Oct 3, 2023 6:49:20 GMT
I'm not at all desperate for it to fail. I am desperate for it to succeed. I want Bristol Rovers to once again be seen as a pillar of the community, so I want us to be doing everything by the book and not trying to cut corners. I want to know why we have withdrawn the planning application and have resubmitted it. If it is truly to be good neighbours then I am really happy about that. However, my concern is that we have f**ked it up again and my guess is that it's the same person f**ked it up. I want answers. I want to understand why we have acted the way we have. There are a few alarming things happening around the club and we should all want to understand why. Otherwise we may not have a club to support. What's alarming, that we misunderstood the Green party's agenda and failed to consult with them before submitting the plans? If they hadn't raised any objections it seems likely BCC would have approved the plans. You're starting to sound like KP with this "we may not have a club to support" nonsense when we're probably in the best financial shape we've ever been in. It's not the Greens they didn't consult with it's residents - and the club have held their hands up on this. Whatever you think of them getting residents on side was pretty important to avoiding what has happened because the number of objections made the application not going to committee extremely unlikely - regardless of which party any local councillor represented. On a general note I'm broadly supportive of the club and have no desire to 'put the boot in'. That's not going to stop me recognising a cock up when I see one - while others seem to feel any criticism of the club here diminishes the opportunity to get mad about the Green Party. In an alternative universe where there is no Green party we might still not sitting in the new stand tonight and definitely wouldn't have been at the start of the season as planned.
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Post by percy on Oct 3, 2023 8:12:45 GMT
Wow! It is going to look like an actual ground. Can't wait.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Oct 3, 2023 8:16:33 GMT
Wow! It is going to look like an actual ground. Can't wait. The Pillars are really close to the pitch, I assume there will be protection from them for the players that could possibly collide with them?
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Post by heartofgas on Oct 3, 2023 8:22:17 GMT
What's alarming, that we misunderstood the Green party's agenda and failed to consult with them before submitting the plans? If they hadn't raised any objections it seems likely BCC would have approved the plans. You're starting to sound like KP with this "we may not have a club to support" nonsense when we're probably in the best financial shape we've ever been in. It's not the Greens they didn't consult with it's residents - and the club have held their hands up on this. Whatever you think of them getting residents on side was pretty important to avoiding what has happened because the number of objections made the application not going to committee extremely unlikely - regardless of which party any local councillor represented. On a general note I'm broadly supportive of the club and have no desire to 'put the boot in'. That's not going to stop me recognising a cock up when I see one - while others seem to feel any criticism of the club here diminishes the opportunity to get mad about the Green Party. In an alternative universe where there is no Green party we might still not sitting in the new stand tonight and definitely wouldn't have been at the start of the season as planned. The objections would have been pretty much the same whether or not Rovers consulted with them. This would have also delayed the project. Lets also be honest a sizeable proportion of the objections were from people who wouldn't even be affected by it, don't live in the area or were p*ss takes by teds (Tit man). The application wasn't called in because of the objections it was called in because the green councillor decided to for no other reason than she didn't want it to go ahead and wanted to delay it. In fact I think her calling it in may have happened before any objections were made. The club haven't handled the process well and the timescales, even without the planning process, are somewhat questionable given we are still building the stand. So I very much doubt it would have been ready for the start of the season. However that is a separate issue to the green party. the reason for disliking the green party is because they protest, object and delay everything adding lots more costs to projects and a lot of the time results in killing the project. They know what they're doing and as with Sainsbury's they try every trick in the book and play the system. I think it has been said many times before how they behaved over Sainsburys and the way the green councillor has behaved this time is just the same. I wouldn't vote green anyway but this sort of behavior reaffirms my opinion about the greens.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 3, 2023 8:24:49 GMT
Wow! It is going to look like an actual ground. Can't wait. Steady on, Percy, let's not get too carried away.😃
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 3, 2023 8:27:19 GMT
What's alarming, that we misunderstood the Green party's agenda and failed to consult with them before submitting the plans? If they hadn't raised any objections it seems likely BCC would have approved the plans. You're starting to sound like KP with this "we may not have a club to support" nonsense when we're probably in the best financial shape we've ever been in. It's not the Greens they didn't consult with it's residents - and the club have held their hands up on this. Whatever you think of them getting residents on side was pretty important to avoiding what has happened because the number of objections made the application not going to committee extremely unlikely - regardless of which party any local councillor represented. On a general note I'm broadly supportive of the club and have no desire to 'put the boot in'. That's not going to stop me recognising a cock up when I see one - while others seem to feel any criticism of the club here diminishes the opportunity to get mad about the Green Party. In an alternative universe where there is no Green party we might still not sitting in the new stand tonight and definitely wouldn't have been at the start of the season as planned.   Whilst we haven't covered ourselves in glory here, I doubt whatever the club did it would still elicit objections and the Green Councillor would still have called it in.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 3, 2023 8:38:15 GMT
It's not the Greens they didn't consult with it's residents - and the club have held their hands up on this. Whatever you think of them getting residents on side was pretty important to avoiding what has happened because the number of objections made the application not going to committee extremely unlikely - regardless of which party any local councillor represented. On a general note I'm broadly supportive of the club and have no desire to 'put the boot in'. That's not going to stop me recognising a cock up when I see one - while others seem to feel any criticism of the club here diminishes the opportunity to get mad about the Green Party. In an alternative universe where there is no Green party we might still not sitting in the new stand tonight and definitely wouldn't have been at the start of the season as planned.   The objections would have been pretty much the same whether or not Rovers consulted with them. This would have also delayed the project. Lets also be honest a sizeable proportion of the objections were from people who wouldn't even be affected by it, don't live in the area or were p*ss takes by teds (Tit man). The application wasn't called in because of the objections it was called in because the green councillor decided to for no other reason than she didn't want it to go ahead and wanted to delay it. In fact I think her calling it in may have happened before any objections were made. The club haven't handled the process well and the timescales, even without the planning process, are somewhat questionable given we are still building the stand. So I very much doubt it would have been ready for the start of the season. However that is a separate issue to the green party. the reason for disliking the green party is because they protest, object and delay everything adding lots more costs to projects and a lot of the time results in killing the project. They know what they're doing and as with Sainsbury's they try every trick in the book and play the system. I think it has been said many times before how they behaved over Sainsburys and the way the green councillor has behaved this time is just the same. I wouldn't vote green anyway but this sort of behavior reaffirms my opinion about the greens. Agree 100% with your comments . There is a 25 year connection between ground plans and the Greens supporting local lobbyist. There is no other club in England who get so much opposition . And look at our desperate ground ?. Of course we have made mistakes and we need to acknowledge this. However : we have been constantly attacked by powerful middle class Greens supporting local lobbyist that Nulify any ambition. All communities embrace and support its football clubs like the model at Bradford with the Muslims community. There are positive examples up and down our great nation of communities celebrating and Co-existing with its football teams. Sadly the Greens have opted to support locals to object and protest to any plans. In conclusion we have made mistakes but have recieved no help by the Greens who seem to manipulate any cracks !.
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Post by tommym9 on Oct 3, 2023 8:48:52 GMT
It's not the Greens they didn't consult with it's residents - and the club have held their hands up on this. Whatever you think of them getting residents on side was pretty important to avoiding what has happened because the number of objections made the application not going to committee extremely unlikely - regardless of which party any local councillor represented. On a general note I'm broadly supportive of the club and have no desire to 'put the boot in'. That's not going to stop me recognising a cock up when I see one - while others seem to feel any criticism of the club here diminishes the opportunity to get mad about the Green Party. In an alternative universe where there is no Green party we might still not sitting in the new stand tonight and definitely wouldn't have been at the start of the season as planned. The objections would have been pretty much the same whether or not Rovers consulted with them. This would have also delayed the project. Lets also be honest a sizeable proportion of the objections were from people who wouldn't even be affected by it, don't live in the area or were p*ss takes by teds (Tit man). The application wasn't called in because of the objections it was called in because the green councillor decided to for no other reason than she didn't want it to go ahead and wanted to delay it. In fact I think her calling it in may have happened before any objections were made. The club haven't handled the process well and the timescales, even without the planning process, are somewhat questionable given we are still building the stand. So I very much doubt it would have been ready for the start of the season. However that is a separate issue to the green party. the reason for disliking the green party is because they protest, object and delay everything adding lots more costs to projects and a lot of the time results in killing the project. They know what they're doing and as with Sainsbury's they try every trick in the book and play the system. I think it has been said many times before how they behaved over Sainsburys and the way the green councillor has behaved this time is just the same. I wouldn't vote green anyway but this sort of behavior reaffirms my opinion about the greens. Tristan Cork lays out the timeline in his article here: www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/huge-support-bristol-rovers-plan-8677192South Stand timeline 2023Jan - Bristol Live report that a huge backlog of planning applications is 'badly impacting Bristol's economy' because of council cuts in the planning department. Many applications are taking months to even be assigned a planning officer, with many taking more than a year to be granted permission. Feb - Bristol Rovers first submit a planning application to Bristol City Council, but it is sent back. April - Rovers' submit application and is accepted by council planners. June 29 - Bristol City Council planners register the application to remove two temporary stands and build one new permanent one & publish designs and plans on the council's website. Early July - Comments begin to arrive at City Hall from residents, mostly in support. Mid July - Council planners send out the neighbourhood notification list on July 6, prompting almost 200 letters of objection, many from residents complaining that Rovers have already begun work to remove the stands. Late July - Work on the project is stopped after the two temporary stands are removed, leaving an empty end. July 27 - Cllr Emma Edwards formally calls in the planning application to be decided by committee. July 28 - Bristol Live and BBC report Bristol Rovers have started work without planning permission, and some local residents have objected. August 3 - Bristol Live reports around 350 people have written in to support the South Stand plan. August 12 - Rovers play first home game with no fans in the south end of the ground. August 12 - Labour attack Cllr Edwards for calling in the application. Lets try and stick to the facts and not vilify a woman for doing her job representing her constituents. They objected on mass and she called the application in. A councillor of any other stripes would have done the same.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2023 8:55:18 GMT
Going to be pretty dark at that end of the ground tonight with the restricted lighting or has there been any added to the new stand?
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Post by heartofgas on Oct 3, 2023 9:04:02 GMT
The objections would have been pretty much the same whether or not Rovers consulted with them. This would have also delayed the project. Lets also be honest a sizeable proportion of the objections were from people who wouldn't even be affected by it, don't live in the area or were p*ss takes by teds (Tit man). The application wasn't called in because of the objections it was called in because the green councillor decided to for no other reason than she didn't want it to go ahead and wanted to delay it. In fact I think her calling it in may have happened before any objections were made. The club haven't handled the process well and the timescales, even without the planning process, are somewhat questionable given we are still building the stand. So I very much doubt it would have been ready for the start of the season. However that is a separate issue to the green party. the reason for disliking the green party is because they protest, object and delay everything adding lots more costs to projects and a lot of the time results in killing the project. They know what they're doing and as with Sainsbury's they try every trick in the book and play the system. I think it has been said many times before how they behaved over Sainsburys and the way the green councillor has behaved this time is just the same. I wouldn't vote green anyway but this sort of behavior reaffirms my opinion about the greens. Tristan Cork lays out the timeline in his article here: www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/huge-support-bristol-rovers-plan-8677192South Stand timeline 2023Jan - Bristol Live report that a huge backlog of planning applications is 'badly impacting Bristol's economy' because of council cuts in the planning department. Many applications are taking months to even be assigned a planning officer, with many taking more than a year to be granted permission. Feb - Bristol Rovers first submit a planning application to Bristol City Council, but it is sent back. April - Rovers' submit application and is accepted by council planners. June 29 - Bristol City Council planners register the application to remove two temporary stands and build one new permanent one & publish designs and plans on the council's website. Early July - Comments begin to arrive at City Hall from residents, mostly in support. Mid July - Council planners send out the neighbourhood notification list on July 6, prompting almost 200 letters of objection, many from residents complaining that Rovers have already begun work to remove the stands. Late July - Work on the project is stopped after the two temporary stands are removed, leaving an empty end. July 27 - Cllr Emma Edwards formally calls in the planning application to be decided by committee. July 28 - Bristol Live and BBC report Bristol Rovers have started work without planning permission, and some local residents have objected. August 3 - Bristol Live reports around 350 people have written in to support the South Stand plan. August 12 - Rovers play first home game with no fans in the south end of the ground. August 12 - Labour attack Cllr Edwards for calling in the application. Lets try and stick to the facts and not vilify a woman for doing her job representing her constituents. They objected on mass and she called the application in. A councillor of any other stripes would have done the same. A councillor of any other stripe wouldn't. The greens have history and it's only them making these issues. When has any other party done this? Example? In fact I member the tory MP(?) being fully vocal and supportive of our move to the UWE and Sainsburys. She's not representing her constituents. A handful of local residents are against the stand, how many are supportive? Is she not representing them? Don't get me wrong I think all main parties aren't worth voting for as they all seem to be self serving, power hungry and liars but the greens are out on there own when it comes to things like this. They have form and history. A party of protest that has never had to run anything Yes the planning process approvals is slow and poor, Yes rovers could have done things better, yes other parties will try to make political point scoring out of it but that still doesn't excuse the way the Greens behave. And it is unique to the greens.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Oct 3, 2023 9:14:34 GMT
Going to be pretty dark at that end of the ground tonight with the restricted lighting or has there been any added to the new stand? Make sure you have your phone fully charged and your torch app at the ready!
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Post by heartofgas on Oct 3, 2023 9:15:04 GMT
Anyway back to the actual south stand discussion. Don't get me wrong I am massively appreciative of finally getting a decent stand and making the Mem more like a football stadium. However looking at the latest picture I do think it is a shame they didn't make the roof height of the SW stand the same as that of the new south stand and the main stand. It would have made that end look more complete and enclosed the ground more. I guess it's all about the money.
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Post by percy on Oct 3, 2023 9:26:41 GMT
Anyway back to the actual south stand discussion. Don't get me wrong I am massively appreciative of finally getting a decent stand and making the Mem more like a football stadium. However looking at the latest picture I do think it is a shame they didn't make the roof height of the SW stand the same as that of the new south stand and the main stand. It would have made that end look more complete and enclosed the ground more. I guess it's all about the money. Pretty sure this has been answered a few times. Not money. More room available and view from west stand
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Post by oviedista on Oct 3, 2023 9:30:22 GMT
The objections would have been pretty much the same whether or not Rovers consulted with them. This would have also delayed the project. Lets also be honest a sizeable proportion of the objections were from people who wouldn't even be affected by it, don't live in the area or were p*ss takes by teds (Tit man). The application wasn't called in because of the objections it was called in because the green councillor decided to for no other reason than she didn't want it to go ahead and wanted to delay it. In fact I think her calling it in may have happened before any objections were made. The club haven't handled the process well and the timescales, even without the planning process, are somewhat questionable given we are still building the stand. So I very much doubt it would have been ready for the start of the season. However that is a separate issue to the green party. the reason for disliking the green party is because they protest, object and delay everything adding lots more costs to projects and a lot of the time results in killing the project. They know what they're doing and as with Sainsbury's they try every trick in the book and play the system. I think it has been said many times before how they behaved over Sainsburys and the way the green councillor has behaved this time is just the same. I wouldn't vote green anyway but this sort of behavior reaffirms my opinion about the greens. Agree 100% with your comments . There is a 25 year connection between ground plans and the Greens supporting local lobbyist. There is no other club in England who get so much opposition . And look at our desperate ground ?. Of course we have made mistakes and we need to acknowledge this. However : we have been constantly attacked by powerful middle class Greens supporting local lobbyist that Nulify any ambition. All communities embrace and support its football clubs like the model at Bradford with the Muslims community. There are positive examples up and down our great nation of communities celebrating and Co-existing with its football teams. Sadly the Greens have opted to support locals to object and protest to any plans. In conclusion we have made mistakes but have recieved no help by the Greens who seem to manipulate any cracks !. I've been as frustrated as anyone since first watching Rovers at Twerton in the early 90s at the state of facilities we have compared to small towns up north. I lived next to Valley Parade when it was being developed and used to go to many away games at places like Wigan, Huddersfield and er.. Darlington! It's easy to be angry about the situation but there are multiple factors why we are so far behind many which are nothing to do with noisy neighbours or green politics. And it's not as rosy elsewhere (see Dalington) as you might think. Check the 'positive' example of Liverpool for example: www.theguardian.com/football/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2013/may/06/anfield-liverpool-david-connAnyway I believe Edwards when she says she is supportive of the stand being built and see nothing unusual about her behaviour if you look at the process and timeline without prejudice. Many people are projecting a sinister motives and assume she's lying and I don't think any minds are going to change on this. So circles and all that. Meanwhile I saw the stand the other day and it really enclosed the ground which is the main thing the ground lacks. Looking forward to seeing it filled with people asap.
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Post by heartofgas on Oct 3, 2023 9:38:34 GMT
Anyway back to the actual south stand discussion. Don't get me wrong I am massively appreciative of finally getting a decent stand and making the Mem more like a football stadium. However looking at the latest picture I do think it is a shame they didn't make the roof height of the SW stand the same as that of the new south stand and the main stand. It would have made that end look more complete and enclosed the ground more. I guess it's all about the money. Pretty sure this has been answered a few times. Not money. More room available and view from west stand I wasn't meaning any more seating or it being any deeper. just having the roof at the same height. would have had the same number of pillars.
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Post by heartofgas on Oct 3, 2023 9:40:05 GMT
The other interesting thing is that railing that is going around the top of the south stand roof. Flood lights maybe?
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Post by tommym9 on Oct 3, 2023 9:59:01 GMT
Tristan Cork lays out the timeline in his article here: www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/huge-support-bristol-rovers-plan-8677192South Stand timeline 2023Jan - Bristol Live report that a huge backlog of planning applications is 'badly impacting Bristol's economy' because of council cuts in the planning department. Many applications are taking months to even be assigned a planning officer, with many taking more than a year to be granted permission. Feb - Bristol Rovers first submit a planning application to Bristol City Council, but it is sent back. April - Rovers' submit application and is accepted by council planners. June 29 - Bristol City Council planners register the application to remove two temporary stands and build one new permanent one & publish designs and plans on the council's website. Early July - Comments begin to arrive at City Hall from residents, mostly in support. Mid July - Council planners send out the neighbourhood notification list on July 6, prompting almost 200 letters of objection, many from residents complaining that Rovers have already begun work to remove the stands. Late July - Work on the project is stopped after the two temporary stands are removed, leaving an empty end. July 27 - Cllr Emma Edwards formally calls in the planning application to be decided by committee. July 28 - Bristol Live and BBC report Bristol Rovers have started work without planning permission, and some local residents have objected. August 3 - Bristol Live reports around 350 people have written in to support the South Stand plan. August 12 - Rovers play first home game with no fans in the south end of the ground. August 12 - Labour attack Cllr Edwards for calling in the application. Lets try and stick to the facts and not vilify a woman for doing her job representing her constituents. They objected on mass and she called the application in. A councillor of any other stripes would have done the same. A councillor of any other stripe wouldn't. The greens have history and it's only them making these issues. When has any other party done this? Example? In fact I member the tory MP(?) being fully vocal and supportive of our move to the UWE and Sainsburys. She's not representing her constituents. A handful of local residents are against the stand, how many are supportive? Is she not representing them? Don't get me wrong I think all main parties aren't worth voting for as they all seem to be self serving, power hungry and liars but the greens are out on there own when it comes to things like this. They have form and history. A party of protest that has never had to run anything Yes the planning process approvals is slow and poor, Yes rovers could have done things better, yes other parties will try to make political point scoring out of it but that still doesn't excuse the way the Greens behave. And it is unique to the greens. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one as neither of us are going to change our minds!
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Post by Parrot on Oct 3, 2023 11:16:52 GMT
The other interesting thing is that railing that is going around the top of the south stand roof. Flood lights maybe? Thats temporary scaffollding to prevent workers fixing the roof sheets from falling off the edge
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Post by gingerandwhitegas on Oct 3, 2023 11:35:36 GMT
Very nice , not so the bike shed to the left of it
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Post by amgas on Oct 3, 2023 11:58:55 GMT
I think the size of the south stand makes the south-west look small but probably not too bad compared with what it is replacing
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