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Post by eric on Oct 4, 2023 12:10:57 GMT
There is no way you can rebuild/replace the West Stand without significantly moving the pitch east. Which means you need to start there.... Personally, I wouldn't mind just extending the existing West Stand to the South and North to run the full length of the pitch. I'm probably the only one, but I quite like the Cricket Pavilion design. It would increase seated capacity and increase the higher income corporate boxes at least cost. No need to move the pitch then and the capacity can be incrementally built up on the other 3 sides.
However, let's get the South stand over the line and worry about that afterwards.
That’s what I’d look to do with the West. I’d happily see the East Stand extended the full length too and in time replace the east side terracing with seats. The bigee for me would be flatten the North and build a really big stand with loads of room for bars and hospitality underneath. Before you know it we’ve got a proper stadium 😁 |
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Post by gasify on Oct 4, 2023 12:29:19 GMT
Just trying to understand your post: Are you saying that it is better to retreat and regroup, rather than fight and lose? I would love to think that the club has a strategy finally with this. Don't think we would have 'lost' either way, i.e. we would most likely have got a positive decision when the proposal went to the planning committee. However, taking on board the more sensible comments raised by those objecting, amending plans to suit and resubmitting not only shows a proactive engagement, it nullifies the objectors argument.
In Sun Tzu's terms it disarms the enemy before the engagement, so I think it is a very good approach. Also bear in mind that the resubmission followed the planning officer's advice.
There is part of me that thinks that statement almost proves we wouldn't get planning permission granted with the original plan. I won't push that point. What a good idea, speaking to the planning officer. Its a shame we didn't do that back in February. The solar panels is a great addition to the plans too. |
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Post by curlywurly on Oct 4, 2023 12:50:57 GMT
Don't think we would have 'lost' either way, i.e. we would most likely have got a positive decision when the proposal went to the planning committee. However, taking on board the more sensible comments raised by those objecting, amending plans to suit and resubmitting not only shows a proactive engagement, it nullifies the objectors argument.
In Sun Tzu's terms it disarms the enemy before the engagement, so I think it is a very good approach. Also bear in mind that the resubmission followed the planning officer's advice.
There is part of me that thinks that statement almost proves we wouldn't get planning permission granted with the original plan. I won't push that point. What a good idea, speaking to the planning officer. Its a shame we didn't do that back in February. The solar panels is a great addition to the plans too. You know we did engage with the planning officer and key consultees like the Safety Advisory Group very early in the process and before the original application, don't you? |
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Post by bravosierraseven on Oct 4, 2023 13:35:49 GMT
There is no way you can rebuild/replace the West Stand without significantly moving the pitch east. Which means you need to start there.... Personally, I wouldn't mind just extending the existing West Stand to the South and North to run the full length of the pitch. I'm probably the only one, but I quite like the Cricket Pavilion design. It would increase seated capacity and increase the higher income corporate boxes at least cost. No need to move the pitch then and the capacity can be incrementally built up on the other 3 sides.
However, let's get the South stand over the line and worry about that afterwards.
Yes I have thought that too about the West stand and think it would look much better. Moving the pitch East would be a logistical nightmare leaving the south stand out of position and the North end would be difficult to position unless the East is done first plus maybe too costly for what it would achieve. If we had South 3000+ North 5000 and East 7000 , not sure how many we could get in a full length West but think that would be decent capacity. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 13:53:15 GMT
North terrace next.
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Post by curlywurly on Oct 4, 2023 14:38:47 GMT
The original planning application 23/01441/F - "Replacement of the current South and South West Stands with a new improved facility to increase the number of seats within the Memorial Stadium" is now officially showing as withdrawn on the BCC Planning Portal and with it the considered opinions of the good citizens of Horfield and beyond disappear into the ether.
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Post by bambergashead on Oct 4, 2023 15:24:49 GMT
The original planning application 23/01441/F - "Replacement of the current South and South West Stands with a new improved facility to increase the number of seats within the Memorial Stadium" is now officially showing as withdrawn on the BCC Planning Portal and with it the considered opinions of the good citizens of Horfield and beyond disappear into the ether. Did anyone save any PDF's or screenshots? |
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Post by bisto180 on Oct 4, 2023 15:49:08 GMT
Would have better to have brought the roof around from the south to the southwest at the same height, kept the seats at the same height as they are (due to the viewing restrictions) and put a scoreboard/screen on the angle behind them.👍
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Post by aghast on Oct 4, 2023 16:26:19 GMT
it's not sightlines from the West being a problem. if the SW part of the stand was the same height and rake of the rest of the south stand there isn't a chance anyone sat at the back could see the Thatchers End Spot on exactly as I posted two weeks ago. The depth of this new stand is limited because if it was built farther back it would be impossible for approx 50% of seats at the back to see past the side of the west stand. Very strange then how so many other clubs manage to have a corner stand. Most of them, in fact, in L1 and above. 🤷♂️ |
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Post by kentgas on Oct 4, 2023 16:40:31 GMT
There is no way you can rebuild/replace the West Stand without significantly moving the pitch east. Which means you need to start there.... Personally, I wouldn't mind just extending the existing West Stand to the South and North to run the full length of the pitch. I'm probably the only one, but I quite like the Cricket Pavilion design. It would increase seated capacity and increase the higher income corporate boxes at least cost. No need to move the pitch then and the capacity can be incrementally built up on the other 3 sides.
However, let's get the South stand over the line and worry about that afterwards.
Sure the West Stand is the size and length it is because these are the same dimensions as the old rugby grandstand that it replaced. Seem to remember that there were planning issues about ‘right to light’ for the houses behind. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 4, 2023 17:02:13 GMT
There is part of me that thinks that statement almost proves we wouldn't get planning permission granted with the original plan. I won't push that point. What a good idea, speaking to the planning officer. Its a shame we didn't do that back in February. The solar panels is a great addition to the plans too. and key consultees like the Safety Advisory Group very early in the process and before the original application, don't you? So, why are we only following the planning officers advice now? (Still not pushing the point that it would have been not given on the previous application.) |
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Post by bidefordgas on Oct 4, 2023 17:08:17 GMT
Spot on exactly as I posted two weeks ago. The depth of this new stand is limited because if it was built farther back it would be impossible for approx 50% of seats at the back to see past the side of the west stand. Very strange then how so many other clubs manage to have a corner stand. Most of them, in fact, in L1 and above. 🤷♂️ No doubt the other clubs who have corner stands have had them designed to fit in the available space to allow sight lines for spectators sat in them. What a ridiculous statement you have made, no doubt you know better, why not contact the club with your fully drawn up plans for what you propose after you have made a site visit, surveyed the area and drawn up the plans. |
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Post by seanclevedongas on Oct 4, 2023 17:27:57 GMT
Personally, I wouldn't mind just extending the existing West Stand to the South and North to run the full length of the pitch. I'm probably the only one, but I quite like the Cricket Pavilion design. It would increase seated capacity and increase the higher income corporate boxes at least cost. No need to move the pitch then and the capacity can be incrementally built up on the other 3 sides.
However, let's get the South stand over the line and worry about that afterwards.
Sure the West Stand is the size and length it is because these are the same dimensions as the old rugby grandstand that it replaced. Seem to remember that there were planning issues about ‘right to light’ for the houses behind. Light from what though, the sun moves behind the West stand so it would not block sunlight for the houses behind? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 4, 2023 18:05:31 GMT
Sure the West Stand is the size and length it is because these are the same dimensions as the old rugby grandstand that it replaced. Seem to remember that there were planning issues about ‘right to light’ for the houses behind. Light from what though, the sun moves behind the West stand so it would not block sunlight for the houses behind? Plus the plans inc student accommodation for the Mem got pp and they included stands all around the ground. Perhaps the club just went for the cheapest option, I guess pointless spending £K's extra on a semi permanent stand just to make it look better if we can't get money back from installing extra seating. |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 4, 2023 18:35:17 GMT
Sure the West Stand is the size and length it is because these are the same dimensions as the old rugby grandstand that it replaced. Seem to remember that there were planning issues about ‘right to light’ for the houses behind. Light from what though, the sun moves behind the West stand so it would not block sunlight for the houses behind? Not wrong. In fact if the club put mirrors on the back of the stand, we could reflect sunlight into the back gardens of the houses on Strathmore.👍🏼 |
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Post by curlywurly on Oct 4, 2023 18:35:21 GMT
You know we did engage with the planning officer and key consultees like the Safety Advisory Group very early in the process and before the original application, don't you? So, why are we only following the planning officers advice now? (Still not pushing the point that it would have been not given on the previous application.) I don't understand why you are being so asinine. We followed the planning officers advice at the time. There have been subsequent discussions and the current course of action has been decided through this discussion and further advice and engagement with the planning officer. |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 4, 2023 18:37:26 GMT
Word of the year that I needed to Google:
foolish, unintelligent, or silly; stupid. It is surprising that supposedly intelligent people can make such asinine statements.
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Post by The Equaliser on Oct 4, 2023 19:03:07 GMT
Whatever you think, it’s looking imposing, and refreshing to see something the like of which we haven’t managed to build in decades. From little acorns…..
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Post by aghast on Oct 4, 2023 19:15:26 GMT
Very strange then how so many other clubs manage to have a corner stand. Most of them, in fact, in L1 and above. 🤷♂️ No doubt the other clubs who have corner stands have had them designed to fit in the available space to allow sight lines for spectators sat in them. What a ridiculous statement you have made, no doubt you know better, why not contact the club with your fully drawn up plans for what you propose after you have made a site visit, surveyed the area and drawn up the plans. Presumably I can just refer to the site survey you surely must have done yourself, which will save me a bit of time. Thanks in advance. X |
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Post by bidefordgas on Oct 4, 2023 19:24:20 GMT
No doubt the other clubs who have corner stands have had them designed to fit in the available space to allow sight lines for spectators sat in them. What a ridiculous statement you have made, no doubt you know better, why not contact the club with your fully drawn up plans for what you propose after you have made a site visit, surveyed the area and drawn up the plans. Presumably I can just refer to the site survey you surely must have done yourself, which will save me a bit of time. Thanks in advance. X If you are a resident of the WE you will be fully aware of what restrictions there are. If not get yourself a ticket for the west side and have a good look yourself, it’s as simple as that. |
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