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Post by gasify on Oct 5, 2023 14:07:39 GMT
I saw it here: www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/huge-support-bristol-rovers-plan-8677192"In theory, calling in an application to be decided by councillors rather than officers should have little impact on the time it takes to gain permission." "There have been 200+βcomments on the application, itβs reasonable to call it in." Maybe I have misinterpreted it, but I think they are saying that due to the number of comments that is one of the reason why it was put to councillors, rather than just the planning office. Comments or objections? Edit: Read the link, it's 200 objections and 600 in support. I don't really understand your point on this. The quote says over 200 comments. I don't think the quote says over 200 objections? Which is why I have drawn the conclusion that if we as fans start flooding with comments, they have the same reasoning to call it in. Who knows, it could have been the number of comments that has nudged us into the withdrawal and resubmission process.
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Post by gasify on Oct 5, 2023 14:18:19 GMT
There is no football club in the UK who have faced this level of objections from local lobbyists. The massive cricket ground revamp including the gigantic stands recieved less objections . The Ashton gate revamp recieved less . Even the complete Ashton Vale new build recieved less. I made no apology in saying the Green Party have supported every single protest group .They are very powerful holding both local political power and social privileges. As a club / organisation we are only human. The club are under introspection and challenged in every decision they made. People don't realise that if a powerful group of lobbyist are continuing to scrutinise every plan . This feels both exhausting and disempowering. Imagine if the same was done to another community group or social organisation?. In regards to Bristolians posting positive comments on behalf of the club. I suggest if it goes to planning then we as supporters need to repeat the exercise all over again. Sadly once again we need to fight the lobbyist and write to the council and councillors. As I stated we have made mistakes. But anyone would if they are under investigation introspection and challenge. It's so sad many see the club as a hinderance instead of helping and working alongside to get a resolution. Put it another way. What evidence is there in 25 years that the Greens have supported us or the local lobbyist ?. I could list many statements the Greens supporting Trash Horfield Rose F.O .M.S and now this. It's ironic that once they win battles ( I never underestimated there protest skill). They are now conveying a message of co-operation and engagement. It has become a fight that should never have happened - 'they' (and I use this term loosely but we all know who I'm talking about in general) were clear during the UWE/Sainsbury's issue that they want to see the site remain a sporting venue....and yet ten years later they don't want a sensible and proportional upgrade to the facilities at that sporting venue... ...we know they don't want a supermarket on the site...do they want houses? Other than a stadium the only other suggestion I can remember they had was a velodrome - funded by the taxpayer and too small to host international events so no way it could *ever* get close to breaking even..... Maybe that is a more fun direction for the thread. When we get a new stadium, who should we sell the plot to? The people that live 'Van Life'? They are parked down by Eastville at the moment and there do seem to be some caravans on Kellaway Avenue. I think that would be our civic duty. Or maybe Bristol needs another Sort It Centre?
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 5, 2023 14:29:41 GMT
Comments or objections? Edit: Read the link, it's 200 objections and 600 in support. I don't really understand your point on this. The quote says over 200 comments. I don't think the quote says over 200 objections? Which is why I have drawn the conclusion that if we as fans start flooding with comments, they have the same reasoning to call it in. Who knows, it could have been the number of comments that has nudged us into the withdrawal and resubmission process. I dont think so. You don't believe that either.
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Post by curlywurly on Oct 5, 2023 14:40:03 GMT
Interesting. Where did it say this about the comment count? I cant imagine this small stand in BS7 got as many comments as most other developments in Bristol or the UK. If they can build a mosque on the edge of Soho, I'm sure a small sports stand can get through in BS7! IIRC, the Green councillor called-in the application before the majority of supporting comments went on, not after . . . Correct. Emma Edwards submitted the Member Referral Form on 27.07.2023. There were earlier comments, but the vast majority of the comments came in after this date - roughly 4:1 support:object.
I think she has subsequently referred to the weight of comments supporting the need for the decision to go to committee.
I'm hoping and expecting that the clubs decision to resubmit addresses the substantive concerns and will head off any real objection at the pass. However the realist in me suggests that we are still in for a bumpy ride.
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Post by curlywurly on Oct 5, 2023 14:51:40 GMT
For anyone interested, the text of Cllr Edwards Member Referral Form is as follows: _____________________________________ Councillor name: Cllr Emma Edwards Councillor ward: Bishopston and Ashley Down Date: 27.07.2023 Application ref. no: 23/01441/F Application address: The Memorial Stadium Filton Avenue Bristol BS7 0AG I would like this planning application to be considered by a Development Control Committee if it is proposed to be recommended for approval (please Reasons for referral (must be on planning grounds): A many number of issues have been raised to me about this application. Least of all that the club seem to have forged ahead without planning permission. This is a large proposed stand which will impose on the residential area. The contractors so far have shown no regard for safety of the site, poor community engagement, getting the correct paperwork in order, removing trees and bushes without an EIA, no traffic plan. There is great concern that the stand would be built without proper care and attention based on how the contractors have operated so far. There are separate and material concerns about: 1. Impact on the immediate residents in terms of noise, blocking light and disruption 2. Safety/fire safety 3. Additional traffic pressures. 4. Flood risk ________________________________________________
Beyond the "many number of issues" there is no reference to number of comments in support or objection.
Most, if not all of the issues raised in her text have been discussed on here.
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Post by gasify on Oct 5, 2023 17:02:54 GMT
For anyone interested, the text of Cllr Edwards Member Referral Form is as follows: _____________________________________ Councillor name: Cllr Emma Edwards Councillor ward: Bishopston and Ashley Down Date: 27.07.2023 Application ref. no: 23/01441/F Application address: The Memorial Stadium Filton Avenue Bristol BS7 0AG I would like this planning application to be considered by a Development Control Committee if it is proposed to be recommended for approval (please Reasons for referral (must be on planning grounds): A many number of issues have been raised to me about this application. Least of all that the club seem to have forged ahead without planning permission. This is a large proposed stand which will impose on the residential area. The contractors so far have shown no regard for safety of the site, poor community engagement, getting the correct paperwork in order, removing trees and bushes without an EIA, no traffic plan. There is great concern that the stand would be built without proper care and attention based on how the contractors have operated so far. There are separate and material concerns about: 1. Impact on the immediate residents in terms of noise, blocking light and disruption 2. Safety/fire safety 3. Additional traffic pressures. 4. Flood risk ________________________________________________ Beyond the "many number of issues" there is no reference to number of comments in support or objection.Most, if not all of the issues raised in her text have been discussed on here. To be fair, I think this is one of those situations where maybe we are both correct. You can see that I didn't pick the comment out of thin air. Its a direct quote from Cllr Edwards and I can see that its not stated as a reason for on the referral application. Nicely, neither of us has made anything up.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 5, 2023 18:26:38 GMT
For anyone interested, the text of Cllr Edwards Member Referral Form is as follows: _____________________________________ Councillor name: Cllr Emma Edwards Councillor ward: Bishopston and Ashley Down Date: 27.07.2023 Application ref. no: 23/01441/F Application address: The Memorial Stadium Filton Avenue Bristol BS7 0AG I would like this planning application to be considered by a Development Control Committee if it is proposed to be recommended for approval (please Reasons for referral (must be on planning grounds): A many number of issues have been raised to me about this application. Least of all that the club seem to have forged ahead without planning permission. This is a large proposed stand which will impose on the residential area. The contractors so far have shown no regard for safety of the site, poor community engagement, getting the correct paperwork in order, removing trees and bushes without an EIA, no traffic plan. There is great concern that the stand would be built without proper care and attention based on how the contractors have operated so far. There are separate and material concerns about: 1. Impact on the immediate residents in terms of noise, blocking light and disruption 2. Safety/fire safety 3. Additional traffic pressures. 4. Flood risk ________________________________________________ Beyond the "many number of issues" there is no reference to number of comments in support or objection.Most, if not all of the issues raised in her text have been discussed on here. To be fair, I think this is one of those situations where maybe we are both correct. You can see that I didn't pick the comment out of thin air. Its a direct quote from Cllr Edwards and I can see that its not stated as a reason for on the referral application. Nicely, neither of us has made anything up. I don't get your obsession with the south stand when you've never shown any interest in anything else like this over the years on the forum. You seem to be trying to prove something but I doubt even you know what you are trying to prove.
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Post by gasify on Oct 5, 2023 21:11:01 GMT
To be fair, I think this is one of those situations where maybe we are both correct. You can see that I didn't pick the comment out of thin air. Its a direct quote fromΒ Cllr Edwards and I can see that its not stated as a reason for on the referral application. Nicely, neither of us has made anything up. I don't get your obsession with the south stand when you've never shown any interest in anything else like this over the years on the forum. You seem to be trying to prove something but I doubt even you know what you are trying to prove. I think it's because as you seem to struggle to follow topics. That has become apparent on other topics where I have had to explain to you in simple terms. This particular fork in the discussion is due to the fact that I said we maybe shouldn't add lots of comments to the new application and someone asked why. I then posted a link to where councillor Edwards had pointed to the number of comments was one of the reasons she gave for calling it it. I think I have been pretty clear what my obsession is, I have stated it many times. I think we f**ked it up.
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Post by DrFaustus on Oct 5, 2023 21:18:13 GMT
I don't get your obsession with the south stand when you've never shown any interest in anything else like this over the years on the forum. You seem to be trying to prove something but I doubt even you know what you are trying to prove. I think it's because as you seem to struggle to follow topics. That has become apparent on other topics where I have had to explain to you in simple terms. This particular fork in the discussion is due to the fact that I said we maybe shouldn't add lots of comments to the new application and someone asked why. I then posted a link to where councillor Edwards had pointed to the number of comments was one of the reasons she gave for calling it it. I think I have been pretty clear what my obsession is, I have stated it many times. I think we f**ked it up. 6x "I" in such a short waffle. "It's all about you", as the song goes. ππ΄ββ οΈπͺπΈ
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Post by gasify on Oct 5, 2023 21:24:51 GMT
I think it's because as you seem to struggle to follow topics. That has become apparent on other topics where I have had to explain to you in simple terms. This particular fork in the discussion is due to the fact that I said we maybe shouldn't add lots of comments to the new application and someone asked why. I then posted a link to where councillor Edwards had pointed to the number of comments was one of the reasons she gave for calling it it. I think I have been pretty clear what my obsession is, I have stated it many times. I think we f**ked it up. 6x "I" in such a short waffle. "It's all about you", as the song goes. ππ΄ββ οΈπͺπΈ Alright then, next post I will post it from the perspective of what someone else thinks. Such a silly comment on a forum that is built on opinions.
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Post by DrFaustus on Oct 5, 2023 21:28:29 GMT
6x "I" in such a short waffle. "It's all about you", as the song goes. ππ΄ββ οΈπͺπΈ Alright then, next post I will post it from the perspective of what someone else thinks. Such a silly comment on a forum that is built on opinions. Crack on sister. You're as free as the rest of us to post your sh**e. π΄ββ οΈπ
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 5, 2023 21:29:52 GMT
I don't get your obsession with the south stand when you've never shown any interest in anything else like this over the years on the forum. You seem to be trying to prove something but I doubt even you know what you are trying to prove. I think it's because as you seem to struggle to follow topics. That has become apparent on other topics where I have had to explain to you in simple terms. This particular fork in the discussion is due to the fact that I said we maybe shouldn't add lots of comments to the new application and someone asked why. I then posted a link to where councillor Edwards had pointed to the number of comments was one of the reasons she gave for calling it it. I think I have been pretty clear what my obsession is, I have stated it many times. I think we f**ked it up.If we did then who really cares apart from you? It's not like we have to personally pay for their mistakes.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 5, 2023 21:31:33 GMT
6x "I" in such a short waffle. "It's all about you", as the song goes. ππ΄ββ οΈπͺπΈ Alright then, next post I will post it from the perspective of what someone else thinks. Such a silly comment on a forum that is built on opinions. You only seem to have one X F'ked up, no opinions on matches etc, it's all a bit odd as Gaschat goes.
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Post by gasify on Oct 5, 2023 21:31:43 GMT
Alright then, next post I will post it from the perspective of what someone else thinks. Such a silly comment on a forum that is built on opinions. Crack on sister. You're as free as the rest of us to post your sh**e. π΄ββ οΈπ Nice to see you are leading by example with your sh**e
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Post by DrFaustus on Oct 5, 2023 21:32:57 GMT
Crack on sister. You're as free as the rest of us to post your sh**e. π΄ββ οΈπ Nice to see you are leading by example with your sh**e Past master, honey. π xx
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Post by gasify on Oct 5, 2023 21:35:20 GMT
I think it's because as you seem to struggle to follow topics. That has become apparent on other topics where I have had to explain to you in simple terms. This particular fork in the discussion is due to the fact that I said we maybe shouldn't add lots of comments to the new application and someone asked why. I then posted a link to where councillor Edwards had pointed to the number of comments was one of the reasons she gave for calling it it. I think I have been pretty clear what my obsession is, I have stated it many times. I think we f**ked it up.If we did then who really cares apart from you? It's not like we have to personally pay for their mistakes.Β I thought we did pay for their mistakes. Β£5.50 a pint and Β£26 for ticket. Someone has to pay for their mistakes.
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Post by gasify on Oct 5, 2023 21:36:31 GMT
Alright then, next post I will post it from the perspective of what someone else thinks. Such a silly comment on a forum that is built on opinions. You only seem to have one X F'ked up, no opinions on matches etc, it's all a bit odd as Gaschat goes.Β This post isn't even coherent.
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Post by eric on Oct 5, 2023 21:55:51 GMT
I don't get your obsession with the south stand when you've never shown any interest in anything else like this over the years on the forum. You seem to be trying to prove something but I doubt even you know what you are trying to prove. I think it's because as you seem to struggle to follow topics. That has become apparent on other topics where I have had to explain to you in simple terms. This particular fork in the discussion is due to the fact that I said we maybe shouldn't add lots of comments to the new application and someone asked why. I then posted a link to where councillor Edwards had pointed to the number of comments was one of the reasons she gave for calling it it. I think I have been pretty clear what my obsession is, I have stated it many times. I think we f**ked it up. Iβm not convinced you genuinely think we f**ked up but you are so desperate for that to be the case youβve made yourself believe your own bullshite - I still donβt understand why you are so desperate for Rovers to be cast in a bad light? Is it the club you dislike or the owners or CEO?
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Post by aghast on Oct 5, 2023 22:03:29 GMT
There is no football club in the UK who have faced this level of objections from local lobbyists. The massive cricket ground revamp including the gigantic stands recieved less objections . The Ashton gate revamp recieved less . Even the complete Ashton Vale new build recieved less. I made no apology in saying the Green Party have supported every single protest group .They are very powerful holding both local political power and social privileges. As a club / organisation we are only human. The club are under introspection and challenged in every decision they made. People don't realise that if a powerful group of lobbyist are continuing to scrutinise every plan . This feels both exhausting and disempowering. Imagine if the same was done to another community group or social organisation?. In regards to Bristolians posting positive comments on behalf of the club. I suggest if it goes to planning then we as supporters need to repeat the exercise all over again. Sadly once again we need to fight the lobbyist and write to the council and councillors. As I stated we have made mistakes. But anyone would if they are under investigation introspection and challenge. It's so sad many see the club as a hinderance instead of helping and working alongside to get a resolution. Put it another way. What evidence is there in 25 years that the Greens have supported us or the local lobbyist ?. I could list many statements the Greens supporting Trash Horfield Rose F.O .M.S and now this. It's ironic that once they win battles ( I never underestimated there protest skill). They are now conveying a message of co-operation and engagement. Your first sentence must be a wild and dramatic guess. Fair play if you've researched every stadium revamp and build in the UK over the past 30 years, but I doubt you have. That comments page had a few hundred letters on it. That's nothing in a city of 500k. Gloucestershire CC wanted to expand the stadium to 20,000 capacity but were rebuffed after local objections. It happens. It happened to us. It's not a Green conspiracy, and not a Bristol Green conspiracy. Some on here just want to find someone to blame because it went wrong and we've now had to resubmit the plans. I'm sure it will all be approved in due course, having now done it properly.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 5, 2023 22:25:11 GMT
Your first sentence must be a wild and dramatic guess. Fair play if you've researched every stadium revamp and build in the UK over the past 30 years, but I doubt you have. That comments page had a few hundred letters on it. That's nothing in a city of 500k. Gloucestershire CC wanted to expand the stadium to 20,000 capacity but were rebuffed after local objections. It happens. It happened to us. It's not a Green conspiracy, and not a Bristol Green conspiracy. Some on here just want to find someone to blame because it went wrong and we've now had to resubmit the plans. I'm sure it will all be approved in due course, having now done it properly. Can you provide a link it was rejected by local objections ?. As I understand it was recommended by an officer . Then it was rejected at the committee. But later was approved. The decision was nothing to do with wide spread local opposition like we faced . When you say " we want to blame someone". Everyone is entitled to their democratic opinions which Greens seem to loath. I still hold the opinion the Green Party are actively supporting local lobbyists . In fact there is clear historical evidence on the Green website if you care to read it !.
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