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Post by tommym9 on Oct 9, 2023 9:54:11 GMT
Also, with the comments coming in thick and fast, this looks like its going to committee..
Don't know if it has to be called in by Councillor Edwards, or if its an automatic thing? If she does, I would remind everyone to be kind. She's just doing her job.
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Post by bridgwatergas on Oct 9, 2023 10:04:58 GMT
Also, with the comments coming in thick and fast, this looks like its going to committee.. Don't know if it has to be called in by Councillor Edwards, or if its an automatic thing? If she does, I would remind everyone to be kind. She's just doing her job. How is it doing her job? We have listened and amended our plans to which they were part of the discussion. There is no way this should be called in unless she is lying as she previously stated she would support the application if things were slightly changed. |
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Post by tommym9 on Oct 9, 2023 10:18:54 GMT
Also, with the comments coming in thick and fast, this looks like its going to committee.. Don't know if it has to be called in by Councillor Edwards, or if its an automatic thing? If she does, I would remind everyone to be kind. She's just doing her job. How is it doing her job? We have listened and amended our plans to which they were part of the discussion. There is no way this should be called in unless she is lying as she previously stated she would support the application if things were slightly changed. Not BCC, as I couldn't find the conditions, but this is from Hastings: www.hastings.gov.uk/planning/about-applications/whodecides/"The main reason an application will go to Planning Committee is where an application is recommended for approval. As well as when more than two letters of objection are received or a petition, as defined in Standing Orders, is received." I'm working on the *big* assumption that the rules are broadly the same across councils. Happy to be proven wrong on this. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 9, 2023 10:20:53 GMT
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Post by eric on Oct 9, 2023 10:33:05 GMT
I mentioned this before everytime a new stadium is mentioned. Think it falls on deaf ears. The FM would have been ideal for this especially rail. Anyone know when Ashley Down station is due to open? Looking at the objections in so far, almost all mention parking being a nightmare on matchdays. *IF* there was an incentive to get the bus/train/whatever instead of driving up, it would certainly help with getting the local residents onside! The Greens should not be supporting objections made on the basis of residents having parking spaces. I thought everything they stood for was getting rid of cars so how can they be encouraging car use? |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 9, 2023 10:35:55 GMT
Sadly the ground is in an area with active lobbyist who are well organised and will swing from one group to another. I have provided clear evidence that Bristol City or G.C.C C never suffer this level of objections even though there projects are much much bigger
This raises a big question that Emma ( in my personal emails) can't answer. What do the local lobbyist actually want ?. Will the Green Party keep supporting local lobbyist even though there aims are mixed ?.
If the Green Party or Emma continue to support local lobbyist . They need to be aware that if the club want to move then it it will be subject to the sell of the Memorial stadium. I don't think a buyer would touch it with a bargepole if the resistance continues.
I find it so sad that some locals don't want to work in harmony with the club and see the benefits of a communuty football club. The locals could benefit from the club by using facilities / resources as a 'hub' for the community.
It be interested to see what the Greens do next. They haven't intervened at Bristol City f.C or G.C.C.C . If Emma's checklist have been meet . Then there's no reason the Green Party needs to be involved in supporting local objections all the time !.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Oct 9, 2023 10:36:19 GMT
Looking at the objections in so far, almost all mention parking being a nightmare on matchdays. *IF* there was an incentive to get the bus/train/whatever instead of driving up, it would certainly help with getting the local residents onside! The Greens should not be supporting objections made on the basis of residents having parking spaces. I thought everything they stood for was getting rid of cars so how can they be encouraging car use? Because in the main they are a bunch of sanctimonious hypocrites ! 💙 UTG |
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Post by gasify on Oct 9, 2023 10:54:43 GMT
Sadly the ground is in an area with active lobbyist who are well organised and will swing from one group to another. I have provided clear evidence that Bristol City or G.C.C C never suffer this level of objections even though there projects are much much bigger This raises a big question that Emma ( in my personal emails) can't answer. What do the local lobbyist actually want ?. Will the Green Party keep supporting local lobbyist even though there aims are mixed ?. If the Green Party or Emma continue to support local lobbyist . They need to be aware that if the club want to move then it it will be subject to the sell of the Memorial stadium. I don't think a buyer would touch it with a bargepole if the resistance continues. I find it so sad that some locals don't want to work in harmony with the club and see the benefits of a communuty football club. The locals could benefit from the club by using facilities / resources as a 'hub' for the community. It be interested to see what the Greens do next. They haven't intervened at Bristol City f.C or G.C.C.C . If Emma's checklist have been meet . Then there's no reason the Green Party needs to be involved in supporting local objections all the time !. "This raises a big question that Emma ( in my personal emails) can't answer. What do the local lobbyist actually want ?" They want Bristol Rovers gone. It's not a green issue, it's a capitalist issue. They think their house prices will increase without a football club. Have you ever thought what it would be like living in that area and not being a football fan? We don't behave ourselves at times and away fans don't behave themselves. It must be quite scary for the non fan to see a gang of mouthy stone islanders walking up your road. I don't even think it is a Green issue, just some smart residents are using Green policies as weapons. "I find it so sad that some locals don't want to work in harmony with the club and see the benefits of a communuty football club." Do we do work in the direct community? Or do we do work in the wider community sense? Maybe, they don't want to hear about the wider community as they are concerned about their direct community. "The locals could benefit from the club by using facilities / resources as a 'hub' for the community" Nice point. The South stand has nothing to do with this point. Just so we all know, what is available to locals at the moment using facilities/resources as a hub? The locals don't want us, don't want a Sainsburys. They want what is best for their house prices. |
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Post by wertongas on Oct 9, 2023 10:55:17 GMT
The Greens should not be supporting objections made on the basis of residents having parking spaces. I thought everything they stood for was getting rid of cars so how can they be encouraging car use? Because in the main they are a bunch of sanctimonious hypocrites ! 💙 UTG Everyone has the right to park on the Highway, if Greens don't want motorists parking out outside their property on a Saturday afternoon, they can always leave their cars in the space outside their house and if they want to go out, catch a bus, get on their bike or walk to where ever they are going (as greens should do anyway). |
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Post by gasify on Oct 9, 2023 10:56:55 GMT
Because in the main they are a bunch of sanctimonious hypocrites ! 💙 UTG Everyone has the right to park on the Highway, if Greens don't want motorists parking out outside their property on a Saturday afternoon, they can always leave their cars in the space outside their house and if they want to go out, catch a bus, get on their bike or walk to where ever they are going. Actually, what they have done is get drop curbs and driveways. That has made the issue even worse. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2023 11:00:45 GMT
Sadly the ground is in an area with active lobbyist who are well organised and will swing from one group to another. I have provided clear evidence that Bristol City or G.C.C C never suffer this level of objections even though there projects are much much bigger This raises a big question that Emma ( in my personal emails) can't answer. What do the local lobbyist actually want ?. Will the Green Party keep supporting local lobbyist even though there aims are mixed ?. If the Green Party or Emma continue to support local lobbyist . They need to be aware that if the club want to move then it it will be subject to the sell of the Memorial stadium. I don't think a buyer would touch it with a bargepole if the resistance continues. I find it so sad that some locals don't want to work in harmony with the club and see the benefits of a communuty football club. The locals could benefit from the club by using facilities / resources as a 'hub' for the community. It be interested to see what the Greens do next. They haven't intervened at Bristol City f.C or G.C.C.C . If Emma's checklist have been meet . Then there's no reason the Green Party needs to be involved in supporting local objections all the time !. whoever moves in after we leave will put what ever they want on that piece if land. It won't be pretty it will be mass density living of thousands of people. That will be a joyous day and the preaching hypocrites can then spend their days reminiscing of what was there |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 9, 2023 11:19:08 GMT
Sadly the ground is in an area with active lobbyist who are well organised and will swing from one group to another. I have provided clear evidence that Bristol City or G.C.C C never suffer this level of objections even though there projects are much much bigger This raises a big question that Emma ( in my personal emails) can't answer. What do the local lobbyist actually want ?. Will the Green Party keep supporting local lobbyist even though there aims are mixed ?. If the Green Party or Emma continue to support local lobbyist . They need to be aware that if the club want to move then it it will be subject to the sell of the Memorial stadium. I don't think a buyer would touch it with a bargepole if the resistance continues. I find it so sad that some locals don't want to work in harmony with the club and see the benefits of a communuty football club. The locals could benefit from the club by using facilities / resources as a 'hub' for the community. It be interested to see what the Greens do next. They haven't intervened at Bristol City f.C or G.C.C.C . If Emma's checklist have been meet . Then there's no reason the Green Party needs to be involved in supporting local objections all the time !. "This raises a big question that Emma ( in my personal emails) can't answer. What do the local lobbyist actually want ?" They want Bristol Rovers gone. It's not a green issue, it's a capitalist issue. They think their house prices will increase without a football club. Have you ever thought what it would be like living in that area and not being a football fan? We don't behave ourselves at times and away fans don't behave themselves. It must be quite scary for the non fan to see a gang of mouthy stone islanders walking up your road. I don't even think it is a Green issue, just some smart residents are using Green policies as weapons. "I find it so sad that some locals don't want to work in harmony with the club and see the benefits of a communuty football club." Do we do work in the direct community? Or do we do work in the wider community sense? Maybe, they don't want to hear about the wider community as they are concerned about their direct community. "The locals could benefit from the club by using facilities / resources as a 'hub' for the community" Nice point. The South stand has nothing to do with this point. Just so we all know, what is available to locals at the moment using facilities/resources as a hub? The locals don't want us, don't want a Sainsburys. They want what is best for their house prices. I'm glad your jumping straight to the point!. You say " They want Bristol Rovers gone ". I agree entirely and we are on the same wavelength. However : you say it is not a Green issue ?. Then why are the Green Party supporting local lobbyist who don't want a football ground ? . This contradicts Emma's account that " The Green Party doesn't hold a view about the Memorial stadium". Please you can't have your cake and eat it !. Additionally NO other party are supporting local lobbyist . The Green party needs to be very very careful now . You have been in sympathy with the Greens but acknowledge " Some in the community " want Rovers gone ". I hope the Greens are reading this forum !. |
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Post by wertongas on Oct 9, 2023 11:33:27 GMT
Basic cost of a permanent stand is usually around £1m+ per thousand seats (£1k per seat). Adding seats along the sides of a pitch tends to be the most cost effective as there is a greater demand to watch from the sides due to better view and so able to charge more money per ticket. I did some research into the cost of prefab stands some time ago and posted on here the cost which is about £50,000 per hundred seats, a total of 1.75 million then you have to add on a couple of hundred thousand for putting in bars etcetra , so that ties in with the 1.9 million quoted in the application. |
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Post by wertongas on Oct 9, 2023 11:44:17 GMT
Sometime back the club did a survey of fans online regarding a travel plan, but the response was poor. At the time the club were looking to develop the Mem into a a 17,000 capacity ground. Since then a new bus lane and bus stops have been put in along Muller Rd and it has been reported that there will be a new railway station at Ashly Down, so we are in a good position now to develop a traffic plan which the club need to do on completion of the South stand and before any development of the east side of the staduim.
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Post by percy on Oct 9, 2023 11:45:17 GMT
Any new photos posted anywhere?
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Post by gasify on Oct 9, 2023 11:53:41 GMT
"This raises a big question that Emma ( in my personal emails) can't answer. What do the local lobbyist actually want ?" They want Bristol Rovers gone. It's not a green issue, it's a capitalist issue. They think their house prices will increase without a football club. Have you ever thought what it would be like living in that area and not being a football fan? We don't behave ourselves at times and away fans don't behave themselves. It must be quite scary for the non fan to see a gang of mouthy stone islanders walking up your road. I don't even think it is a Green issue, just some smart residents are using Green policies as weapons. "I find it so sad that some locals don't want to work in harmony with the club and see the benefits of a communuty football club." Do we do work in the direct community? Or do we do work in the wider community sense? Maybe, they don't want to hear about the wider community as they are concerned about their direct community. "The locals could benefit from the club by using facilities / resources as a 'hub' for the community" Nice point. The South stand has nothing to do with this point. Just so we all know, what is available to locals at the moment using facilities/resources as a hub? The locals don't want us, don't want a Sainsburys. They want what is best for their house prices. I'm glad your jumping straight to the point!. You say " They want Bristol Rovers gone ". I agree entirely and we are on the same wavelength. However : you say it is not a Green issue ?. Then why are the Green Party supporting local lobbyist who don't want a football ground ? . This contradicts Emma's account that " The Green Party doesn't hold a view about the Memorial stadium". Please you can't have your cake and eat it !. Additionally NO other party are supporting local lobbyist . The Green party needs to be very very careful now . You have been in sympathy with the Greens but acknowledge " Some in the community " want Rovers gone ". I hope the Greens are reading this forum !. I think I have missed something along the way. Where is it that the Green Party (not some random) has said they are against the NEW proposal? |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 9, 2023 11:53:50 GMT
I have been in personal contact with Emma Edwards explaining I am a Labour supporter and back the Memorial stadium plans. Her response months ago was the following.
1. The club get the correct planning permission. ( It's now revised its application to incorporate these concerns)
2. That the club engage with the local community ( Emma Edwards told me she meets with both G.C.C.C and had healthy talks with B R F C ). Also the clubs have been talking to the community and historically with F.O.M.S.
3.That any stand that is built with planning permission is built safely. ( The club will be obliged to meet strong health and safety criteria before a safety certificate is issued).
Emma continues " If the above situation is corrected and proper planning permission sought and community engagement undertaking. I Would be more than happy to support the building of the new stand ".
The club have addressed these three areas now and I see NO reason why Emma should continue to back local lobbyist !.
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Post by wertongas on Oct 9, 2023 12:01:27 GMT
I have been in personal contact with Emma Edwards explaining I am a Labour supporter and back the Memorial stadium plans. Her response months ago was the following. 1. The club get the correct planning permission. ( It's now revised its application to incorporate these concerns) 2. That the club engage with the local community ( Emma Edwards told me she meets with both G.C.C.C and had healthy talks with B R F C ). Also the clubs have been talking to the community and historically with F.O.M.S. 3.That any stand that is built with planning permission is built safely. ( The club will be obliged to meet strong health and safety criteria before a safety certificate is issued). Emma continues " If the above situation is corrected and proper planning permission sought and community engagement undertaking. I Would be more than happy to support the building of the new stand ". The club have addressed these three areas now and I see NO reason why Emma should continue to back local lobbyist !. This what TG told me after he had a meeting with Edwards a few weeks back , Edwards told him that she expected the application to be granted. |
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Post by bridgwatergas on Oct 9, 2023 12:03:43 GMT
How is it doing her job? We have listened and amended our plans to which they were part of the discussion. There is no way this should be called in unless she is lying as she previously stated she would support the application if things were slightly changed. Not BCC, as I couldn't find the conditions, but this is from Hastings:Â www.hastings.gov.uk/planning/about-applications/whodecides/"The main reason an application will go to Planning Committee is where an application is recommended for approval. As well as when more than two letters of objection are received or a petition, as defined in Standing Orders, is received." I'm working on the *big* assumption that the rules are broadly the same across councils. Happy to be proven wrong on this. But she has stated if we amend the application and a couple other things that we have now done that she would support the application. So all that you have put is irrelevant and there is no need for her to call anything in. If she does then we all know why it's been done and what her stance really is. |
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Post by gasify on Oct 9, 2023 12:29:27 GMT
I have been in personal contact with Emma Edwards explaining I am a Labour supporter and back the Memorial stadium plans. Her response months ago was the following. 1. The club get the correct planning permission. ( It's now revised its application to incorporate these concerns) 2. That the club engage with the local community ( Emma Edwards told me she meets with both G.C.C.C and had healthy talks with B R F C ). Also the clubs have been talking to the community and historically with F.O.M.S. 3.That any stand that is built with planning permission is built safely. ( The club will be obliged to meet strong health and safety criteria before a safety certificate is issued). Emma continues " If the above situation is corrected and proper planning permission sought and community engagement undertaking. I Would be more than happy to support the building of the new stand ". The club have addressed these three areas now and I see NO reason why Emma should continue to back local lobbyist !. This is the bit I am missing. Has she called it in? Has she said that she intends to? |
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