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Post by nerdgas on Oct 12, 2023 8:54:46 GMT
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Post by supergas on Oct 12, 2023 9:19:06 GMT
This may have been answered elsewhere but why is the last block not going to be built on top left hand side. What is the reason it didn't go all the way? Scoreboard is going there Has that been confirmed? The planning documents state it's because of the Alton Road steps/gates, no mention of anything else... |
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Post by curlywurly on Oct 12, 2023 9:35:13 GMT
Matchday parking and travel to the ground seem to be one of the main concerns.
Of course, these issues existed even before Rovers came to the Mem, but there are improvements that can be made - as discussed above
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 12, 2023 9:37:45 GMT
Matchday parking and travel to the ground seem to be one of the main concerns.
Of course, these issues existed even before Rovers came to the Mem, but there are improvements that can be made - as discussed above
The travel issue is bizarre especially with the new Ashley Down Station months away. Similarly matchday parking has been an issue for decades. If you move next to a stadium then your options are really limited if it is improved... |
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Post by amgas on Oct 12, 2023 9:51:04 GMT
My favourite is a complaint about no Buses - obviously never stood on Gloucester Road or Filton Avenue and noted there are lots of buses every few minutes .....
Spelling is very entertaining as well - love the fact that one of the objections says the new stand is Appealing when they obviously meant Appalling. It is also an eye saw and will stand out like a saw thumb ...... South Bristol schools these days ......
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Post by heartofgas on Oct 12, 2023 9:59:06 GMT
It's going to make the ground so much more enclosed. A massive improvement on what was there before |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Oct 12, 2023 10:13:31 GMT
Scoreboard is going there They didn't manage to sell it on LinkedIn then? I think the line was would anyone like to take this off our hands. Intimates a possible free gert big tele |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Oct 12, 2023 10:16:16 GMT
I have a feeling that is just the start of it. I count 18 supporting and 13 objecting. |
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Post by heartofgas on Oct 12, 2023 10:23:27 GMT
My favourite is a complaint about no Buses - obviously never stood on Gloucester Road or Filton Avenue and noted there are lots of buses every few minutes ..... Spelling is very entertaining as well - love the fact that one of the objections says the new stand is Appealing when they obviously meant Appalling. It is also an eye saw and will stand out like a saw thumb ...... South Bristol schools these days ...... The one that really made me laugh 'when Robbers are playing. However that may have been an attempt at humour. Someone had to mention the climate crisis, It's like a joker wildcard to throw in. It seems a lot of people can't work out the stand is to the north of the properties so light will not be impacted at all. The two mistakes the objectors make is they don't grasp the overall capacity is barely increasing from what it has been historically and secondly that they are making attacks on the club, wrongly in the most. Neither of those has any weight as an objection. The only valid complaint I see is that for a limited amount of properties you will see this huge new structure but hey, you live next to a football ground so what do you expect. This is always a possibility. The crux of the objections comes down to the point one objector made, that it will be detrimental to house prices. |
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Post by supergas on Oct 12, 2023 10:29:00 GMT
I have a feeling that is just the start of it. I count 18 supporting and 13 objecting. The total number of comments is irrelevant - the reasons are important... ...the most important/frequent reasons a planning application is rejected are loss of privacy (irrelevant here), loss of light (it affects two houses to the West, and partly affects two to the south, and it's well within acceptable limits based on the planning documents), loss of scenery (irrelevant), excessive noise (a tricky one but again the new planning documents cover this pretty thoroughly) and pollution (irrelevant here). Those complaining about the matchday parking are suggesting something they already suffer from will get worse (the numbers suggest otherwise, it will go back to what it was before). Those complaining about the lack of consultation/lack of permission to start building are right that the club has not done everything right, but are again irrelevant points in relation to the planning applications |
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 12, 2023 10:31:54 GMT
My favourite is a complaint about no Buses - obviously never stood on Gloucester Road or Filton Avenue and noted there are lots of buses every few minutes ..... Spelling is very entertaining as well - love the fact that one of the objections says the new stand is Appealing when they obviously meant Appalling. It is also an eye saw and will stand out like a saw thumb ...... South Bristol schools these days ...... The one that really made me laugh 'when Robbers are playing. However that may have been an attempt at humour. Someone had to mention the climate crisis, It's like a joker wildcard to throw in. It seems a lot of people can't work out the stand is to the north of the properties so light will not be impacted at all. The two mistakes the objectors make is they don't grasp the overall capacity is barely increasing from what it has been historically and secondly that they are making attacks on the club, wrongly in the most. Neither of those has any weight as an objection. The only valid complaint I see is that for a limited amount of properties you will see this huge new structure but hey, you live next to a football ground so what do you expect. This is always a possibility. The crux of the objections comes down to the point one objector made, that it will be detrimental to house prices. I completely get why living locally you wouldn't want a stand built, I don't think many people on here would want an infrastructure change in their locality. I also don't think the whole process has been helped by Rovers actions around both planning and consulting residence. I don't think it will be an issue at all with this stand but any further developments could prove a little more tricky than they initially would have been. |
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Post by curlywurly on Oct 12, 2023 10:46:06 GMT
Matchday parking and travel to the ground seem to be one of the main concerns.
Of course, these issues existed even before Rovers came to the Mem, but there are improvements that can be made - as discussed above
The travel issue is bizarre especially with the new Ashley Down Station months away. Similarly matchday parking has been an issue for decades. If you move next to a stadium then your options are really limited if it is improved... I agree. However, I think provision of better public transport and active travel options would benefit supporters and the local community. Ashley Down station opening will be a real benefit to get people to and from the game with less impact on congestion/parking as long as the timetables can accommodate.
Development of: Secure bike parking. Park and Ride. Combined/discounted tickets
are options that other clubs have achieved that provide benefits all round:
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Post by percy on Oct 12, 2023 10:48:16 GMT
Can see the council will be in a strong position to have a number of conditions to granting PP - be it transport or other related.
As we have spent £2m and would have to remove it we are more likely to agree to conditions than if we hadnt started yet!
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Post by kruger on Oct 12, 2023 10:49:36 GMT
My favourite is a complaint about no Buses - obviously never stood on Gloucester Road or Filton Avenue and noted there are lots of buses every few minutes ..... Spelling is very entertaining as well - love the fact that one of the objections says the new stand is Appealing when they obviously meant Appalling. It is also an eye saw and will stand out like a saw thumb ...... South Bristol schools these days ...... with spelling like that I expect it was an 82er |
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Post by supergas on Oct 12, 2023 10:54:47 GMT
Can see the council will be in a strong position to have a number of conditions to granting PP - be it transport or other related. As we have spent £2m and would have to remove it we are more likely to agree to conditions than if we hadnt started yet! ...if the council doesn't process it 100% as they would if we hadn't already started building I can see an immediate appeal and a legal loss coming their way - if they had met their statutory timeframes we'd not be where we are now.... |
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Post by heartofgas on Oct 12, 2023 11:05:22 GMT
Can see the council will be in a strong position to have a number of conditions to granting PP - be it transport or other related. As we have spent £2m and would have to remove it we are more likely to agree to conditions than if we hadnt started yet! I don't see it making any difference really, planners would raise those conditions whether we had started or not. The only thing that may come back is we have to make the cladding a colour that blends in more than the bright blue. |
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Post by olskooltoteender on Oct 12, 2023 11:13:50 GMT
Sadly the ground is in an area with active lobbyist who are well organised and will swing from one group to another. I have provided clear evidence that Bristol City or G.C.C C never suffer this level of objections even though there projects are much much bigger This raises a big question that Emma ( in my personal emails) can't answer. What do the local lobbyist actually want ?. Will the Green Party keep supporting local lobbyist even though there aims are mixed ?. If the Green Party or Emma continue to support local lobbyist . They need to be aware that if the club want to move then it it will be subject to the sell of the Memorial stadium. I don't think a buyer would touch it with a bargepole if the resistance continues. I find it so sad that some locals don't want to work in harmony with the club and see the benefits of a communuty football club. The locals could benefit from the club by using facilities / resources as a 'hub' for the community. It be interested to see what the Greens do next. They haven't intervened at Bristol City f.C or G.C.C.C . If Emma's checklist have been meet . Then there's no reason the Green Party needs to be involved in supporting local objections all the time !. "This raises a big question that Emma ( in my personal emails) can't answer. What do the local lobbyist actually want ?" They want Bristol Rovers gone. It's not a green issue, it's a capitalist issue. They think their house prices will increase without a football club. Have you ever thought what it would be like living in that area and not being a football fan? We don't behave ourselves at times and away fans don't behave themselves. It must be quite scary for the non fan to see a gang of mouthy stone islanders walking up your road. I don't even think it is a Green issue, just some smart residents are using Green policies as weapons. "I find it so sad that some locals don't want to work in harmony with the club and see the benefits of a communuty football club." Do we do work in the direct community? Or do we do work in the wider community sense? Maybe, they don't want to hear about the wider community as they are concerned about their direct community. "The locals could benefit from the club by using facilities / resources as a 'hub' for the community" Nice point. The South stand has nothing to do with this point. Just so we all know, what is available to locals at the moment using facilities/resources as a hub? The locals don't want us, don't want a Sainsburys. They want what is best for their house prices. What a load of bollocks. If they don’t want the things (good or potentially bad) that go hand-in-hand with living next to a football stadium or sporting venue, then they shouldn’t have bought houses next to said premises. The fact that they have made a conscious decision to do so indicates a tacit acceptance that there may be issues involved. The houses around there all go for good money, so it’s not as though they probably couldn’t afford to live elsewhere in Bristol. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 12, 2023 11:13:50 GMT
The one that really made me laugh 'when Robbers are playing. However that may have been an attempt at humour. Someone had to mention the climate crisis, It's like a joker wildcard to throw in. It seems a lot of people can't work out the stand is to the north of the properties so light will not be impacted at all. The two mistakes the objectors make is they don't grasp the overall capacity is barely increasing from what it has been historically and secondly that they are making attacks on the club, wrongly in the most. Neither of those has any weight as an objection. The only valid complaint I see is that for a limited amount of properties you will see this huge new structure but hey, you live next to a football ground so what do you expect. This is always a possibility. The crux of the objections comes down to the point one objector made, that it will be detrimental to house prices. I completely get why living locally you wouldn't want a stand built, I don't think many people on here would want an infrastructure change in their locality. I also don't think the whole process has been helped by Rovers actions around both planning and consulting residence. I don't think it will be an issue at all with this stand but any further developments could prove a little more tricky than they initially would have been. That's a fair enough point to raise. However what is the perfered option of the locality ?. At the moment the lobbyist and the Greens say ' we have NO stance on the Memorial stadium ' and it's not personal. However they told F.O.M.S the following " We welcome talks with the board and support any modernisation of the stadium ". They also pressured the council to " safeguard the future of the stadium by pushing for a community asset protection ". They campaigned successfully via Trash Horfield Rose and now NO to south stand group. Additionally by securing the site as " Historical value" means it will be a real fight to use the site for anything other than a Memorial stadium. Unless the lobbyist come up with a plan A and some how find funding to kick the club out and use the land for a community only usage. What alternative is there ?. This is a merry go round situation which could go on and on and on!. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 12, 2023 11:21:41 GMT
Can see the council will be in a strong position to have a number of conditions to granting PP - be it transport or other related. As we have spent £2m and would have to remove it we are more likely to agree to conditions than if we hadnt started yet! ...if the council doesn't process it 100% as they would if we hadn't already started building I can see an immediate appeal and a legal loss coming their way - if they had met their statutory timeframes we'd not be where we are now.... Additionally it will be viewed as discrimation and prejudice against our club. If it called in by the Tory government . The representatives will inspect the facility and view other models granted ( Bristol City & G.C.C.C ) and walk back to theirs cars with tears in theirs eyes in full laughter. I been to Ashton Gate and the landsdown stand can be seen from 5 miles away. It be impossible to refuse this application based on other models in the City!. |
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Post by bravosierraseven on Oct 12, 2023 11:27:48 GMT
If the parking is as dangerous or inconsiderate as they claim then I'm surprised the council haven't had somebody walking the area slapping fines on them or removing them. You would also think that the council would be inundated with complaints and supporting evidence. I used to do deliveries in the roads around the stadium and it was nearly always congested, even on non match days. I would wager that not all of the dangerous or inconsiderate parking is down to supporters.
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