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Post by percy on Oct 20, 2023 8:55:44 GMT
so just over 12,500 confirmed as the new capacity once complete (assuming PP, safety cert etc etc). Hopefully just in time for a 3rd round tie with one of the big boys |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 20, 2023 9:21:04 GMT
Let's hope the council can fast track it for the BIG festive games v Pompey and Charlton. Its still got nearly two months until the mid December committee meeting.
The policy makers could inspect the site prior to meeting and undertake vigorous inspections and issue a certificate based on the outcome of the vote.
Surely the vast majority of Bristolians want this and it will reflect a positive image of Bristol instead of the top to bottom mess from all sides.
It's simply called forward planning and good publicity for Bristol.
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Post by supergas on Oct 20, 2023 9:38:44 GMT
Don't house owners own a certain amount of airspace above their house? Not sure if thats outdated. It'll be like clay pigeon shooting out in the sticks I believe there are all sorts of rules on drone usage these days and yes you do own the airspace above your house, assuming it's freehold. Can't see how amazon will get drones to work in any practicality. i can see people having a lot of fun and games with them. Scotland aside, for the rest of the UK you own the airspace in the lower stratum above your freehold - the upper stratum (approximately 500 to 1000 feet above your property, according to Section 76 of the Civil Aviation Act 1982) is not yours.... |
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Post by eric on Oct 20, 2023 9:47:02 GMT
Let's hope the council can fast track it for the BIG festive games v Pompey and Charlton. Its still got nearly two months until the mid December committee meeting. The policy makers could inspect the site prior to meeting and undertake vigorous inspections and issue a certificate based on the outcome of the vote. Surely the vast majority of Bristolians want this and it will reflect a positive image of Bristol instead of the top to bottom mess from all sides. It's simply called forward planning and good publicity for Bristol. It’s a PR disaster for the council and a poor reflection on Bristol as a city if it is allowed to drag on much longer. The council really just need to get this application processed and passed asap - our nimby culture and city of protest label makes us a laughing stock. |
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Post by peterparker on Oct 20, 2023 9:58:44 GMT
Let's hope the council can fast track it for the BIG festive games v Pompey and Charlton. Its still got nearly two months until the mid December committee meeting. The policy makers could inspect the site prior to meeting and undertake vigorous inspections and issue a certificate based on the outcome of the vote. Surely the vast majority of Bristolians want this and it will reflect a positive image of Bristol instead of the top to bottom mess from all sides. It's simply called forward planning and good publicity for Bristol. It’s a PR disaster for the council and a poor reflection on Bristol as a city if it is allowed to drag on much longer. The council really just need to get this application processed and passed asap - our nimby culture and city of protest label makes us a laughing stock. I mean that's some spin, given we started building it without planning permission and the first one we did submit didn't contain all the necessary paperwork, that we have resubmitted it |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 20, 2023 10:04:33 GMT
It’s a PR disaster for the council and a poor reflection on Bristol as a city if it is allowed to drag on much longer. The council really just need to get this application processed and passed asap - our nimby culture and city of protest label makes us a laughing stock. I mean that's some spin, given we started building it without planning permission and the first one we did submit didn't contain all the necessary paperwork, that we have resubmitted it The first one was clearly submitted after a site visit took place with the planners etc, when it seems there were no suggestions made that all the additional paperwork now submitted was required. You sense whoever dealt with this at the counsel told the club it would all be straightforward, that's probably why they now seem to be supporting the construction taking place before pp has been obtained. Although I guess it's easier to blame the club for all the planning issues. |
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Post by peterparker on Oct 20, 2023 10:08:32 GMT
I mean that's some spin, given we started building it without planning permission and the first one we did submit didn't contain all the necessary paperwork, that we have resubmitted it The first one was clearly submitted after a site visit took place with the planners etc, when it seems there were no suggestions made that all the additional paperwork now submitted was required. You sense whoever dealt with this at the counsel told the club it would all be straightforward, that's probably why they now seem to be supporting the construction taking place before pp has been obtained. Although I guess it's easier to blame the club for all the planning issues. I don't blame the club for all the issues, however let's not pretend Rovers haven't been extremely naïve here. Not like we haven't got recent form for making a pigs ear of things regarding improvements |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 20, 2023 10:11:53 GMT
It’s a PR disaster for the council and a poor reflection on Bristol as a city if it is allowed to drag on much longer. The council really just need to get this application processed and passed asap - our nimby culture and city of protest label makes us a laughing stock. I mean that's some spin, given we started building it without planning permission and the first one we did submit didn't contain all the necessary paperwork, that we have resubmitted it Why is it spin ?. If we never started the build . We could be waiting until the new year for approval. Then a 3 month plus build and a safety certificate to be issued . If you think 18 months is a reasonable time to build a stand the size of a national leauge side . Then I pity the planning process in this great country from the A Z checklist you need ( including consultation and lobbyist) . The country is going to the dogs!. |
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Post by amgas on Oct 20, 2023 10:20:42 GMT
Not sure why everyone thinks the stand won't get a safety certificate and be in use long before planning permission is approved - frankly the stand will be safer than the scaffold version it replaces or the temporary things we have been knocking up over recent weeks.
Anyone actually have any evidence that planning permission is a pre-requsite for a safety certificate ?
As far as I can see they are two separate things and we have used many temporary stands without planning permission over the years. The original tents all had planning permission retrospectively and had a safety certificate and got used as soon as they were up.
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 20, 2023 10:28:14 GMT
The first one was clearly submitted after a site visit took place with the planners etc, when it seems there were no suggestions made that all the additional paperwork now submitted was required. You sense whoever dealt with this at the counsel told the club it would all be straightforward, that's probably why they now seem to be supporting the construction taking place before pp has been obtained. Although I guess it's easier to blame the club for all the planning issues. I don't blame the club for all the issues, however let's not pretend Rovers haven't been extremely naïve here. Not like we haven't got recent form for making a pigs ear of things regarding improvements You posted that we didn't include all the paperwork but none of us know what the club was told to include. Do you really think if the club, & their agents, were told to include a report they'd just ignore the advice they'd received? |
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Post by jungleboogie on Oct 20, 2023 10:34:26 GMT
I don't blame the club for all the issues, however let's not pretend Rovers haven't been extremely naïve here. Not like we haven't got recent form for making a pigs ear of things regarding improvements You posted that we didn't include all the paperwork but none of us know what the club was told to include. Do you really think if the club, & their agents, were told to include a report they'd just ignore the advice they'd received? The club were also told to apply for a 15 minute extension............. |
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Post by peterparker on Oct 20, 2023 10:39:12 GMT
I don't blame the club for all the issues, however let's not pretend Rovers haven't been extremely naïve here. Not like we haven't got recent form for making a pigs ear of things regarding improvements You posted that we didn't include all the paperwork but none of us know what the club was told to include. Do you really think if the club, & their agents, were told to include a report they'd just ignore the advice they'd received? The whole thing is a farce, lets not forget the club have admitted they should have consulted better with the locals before doing anything. What delays could possibly have been avoided if we hadn't of raised the ire of the locals and brought the Green councillor into the thing in the first place Who were are agents in the first place, because it's reported we have brought in BNP Paribas second time around to make sure it's all legit? Whoever thought we could just whack up a 3,500 seater stand just like that is an idiot, and I am sure there are idiots on BOTH sides of the equation here |
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Post by peterparker on Oct 20, 2023 10:41:20 GMT
I mean that's some spin, given we started building it without planning permission and the first one we did submit didn't contain all the necessary paperwork, that we have resubmitted it Why is it spin ?. If we never started the build . We could be waiting until the new year for approval. Then a 3 month plus build and a safety certificate to be issued . If you think 18 months is a reasonable time to build a stand the size of a national leauge side . Then I pity the planning process in this great country from the A Z checklist you need ( including consultation and lobbyist) . The country is going to the dogs!. I am not suggesting 18 months is acceptable, what I am saying is you still can't just what somthing that size up and not expect some push back and/or complications. That is just naive |
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Post by Sir Trevor B'Sol on Oct 20, 2023 10:44:20 GMT
ON 15th OCTOBER THIS WAS POSTED
" " " " Supporters still have two weeks left to support the revised south stand application.
Please do not leave this to others.
A certain very active WhatsApp group is currently encouraging the members to object.
Some guidance to the group is given about the topic areas to focus upon.
They are also being given advice about the "most effective" time to object.
This will all become apparent towards the end of October if the group members comply. " " " "
HOW HAVE THINGS CHANGED?
Firstly, I no longer have access to one of the useful sources I was a member of until yesterday. Blocked. Democracy at work.
Secondly, the group members are acting on the advice they were given about what to comment upon and when they should comment.
There are a number of areas that the group have been encouraged to focus upon.
(1). Comments are encouraged upon the start date of site clearance, the lack of planning consent before the initial ground work started and the fact that the club had the audacity to start the project at all.
(2). Comments are encouraged on the traffic and parking issues. Claims of blocked driveways, parking on corners, dangerous driving and the like will help. A focus on the hazards and dangers that inevitably result is welcome.
(3). Two other areas are also possible.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Oct 20, 2023 11:13:15 GMT
I fancy an Amazon depot, with drones buzzing over their gardens all the time. Talking about Amazon, i see they have not taken their option up on a plot land near their Avonmouth site... nice site for a football stadium LOL |
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Post by Topper Gas on Oct 20, 2023 11:14:36 GMT
You posted that we didn't include all the paperwork but none of us know what the club was told to include. Do you really think if the club, & their agents, were told to include a report they'd just ignore the advice they'd received? The whole thing is a farce, lets not forget the club have admitted they should have consulted better with the locals before doing anything. What delays could possibly have been avoided if we hadn't of raised the ire of the locals and brought the Green councillor into the thing in the first place Who were are agents in the first place, because it's reported we have brought in BNP Paribas second time around to make sure it's all legit? Whoever thought we could just whack up a 3,500 seater stand just like that is an idiot, and I am sure there are idiots on BOTH sides of the equation here Do you really think having a chat with the Greens would have changed anything? This article popped up on my news feed earlier, it seems the Greens are objecting to anything being built in the UK www.theargus.co.uk/news/23866058.sian-berry-slams-patcham-royal-mail-development-plans/ |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 20, 2023 11:17:18 GMT
Why is it spin ?. If we never started the build . We could be waiting until the new year for approval. Then a 3 month plus build and a safety certificate to be issued . If you think 18 months is a reasonable time to build a stand the size of a national leauge side . Then I pity the planning process in this great country from the A Z checklist you need ( including consultation and lobbyist) . The country is going to the dogs!. I am not suggesting 18 months is acceptable, what I am saying is you still can't just what somthing that size up and not expect some push back and/or complications. That is just naive Either way it's still 18 months . Even Emma Edwards told me " if the club came too me I would of told them this '. Its an admission but nothing to be proud of . The club contacted BCC in February. We may not get a decision to the new year. Then the tents would have to come down whenever a decision is made . Then the new stand will be built in time for a August 2024 start. So whatever process is used it would still take 18 months which is a joke. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 20, 2023 11:19:06 GMT
Equally the lobbyist are spinning by acknowledging there is a A-z problems in planning but not wanting a solution. It's spin in reverse !.
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Post by tommym9 on Oct 20, 2023 11:24:24 GMT
The whole thing is a farce, lets not forget the club have admitted they should have consulted better with the locals before doing anything. What delays could possibly have been avoided if we hadn't of raised the ire of the locals and brought the Green councillor into the thing in the first place Who were are agents in the first place, because it's reported we have brought in BNP Paribas second time around to make sure it's all legit? Whoever thought we could just whack up a 3,500 seater stand just like that is an idiot, and I am sure there are idiots on BOTH sides of the equation here Do you really think having a chat with the Greens would have changed anything? This article popped up on my news feed earlier, it seems the Greens are objecting to anything being built in the UK www.theargus.co.uk/news/23866058.sian-berry-slams-patcham-royal-mail-development-plans/Unlike the conservatives who are objecting to *checks notes* their own plans: www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/24/tory-mp-anthony-browne-michael-gove-cambridge-housing-development-planningSomeone in this thread said we're in danger of stereotyping people, I feel we're at that point with those hummus eating, sandal wearing, London originating, champagne socialist, greens! We're going to get planning, and the safety certificate and we'll all forget about this once its all finished. Yes we could have gotten there sooner, but a combo of BCC backlog/our incompetence/local residents has frustrated us. |
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 20, 2023 11:33:19 GMT
Unlike the conservatives who are objecting to *checks notes* their own plans: www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/24/tory-mp-anthony-browne-michael-gove-cambridge-housing-development-planningSomeone in this thread said we're in danger of stereotyping people, I feel we're at that point with those hummus eating, sandal wearing, London originating, champagne socialist, greens! We're going to get planning, and the safety certificate and we'll all forget about this once its all finished. Yes we could have gotten there sooner, but a combo of BCC backlog/our incompetence/local residents has frustrated us. I agree it is a combination of events. But let's not kid ourselves that the lobbyist could use the A-Z failures for their own advantage. The Greens acknowledge there are planning issues and delays. Then why not come up with a solution to address this ? It appears some people are using a poor system in order to cause more delays and red tape!. |
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