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Post by bravosierraseven on Oct 20, 2023 12:05:51 GMT
Unlike the conservatives who are objecting to *checks notes* their own plans: www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/24/tory-mp-anthony-browne-michael-gove-cambridge-housing-development-planningSomeone in this thread said we're in danger of stereotyping people, I feel we're at that point with those hummus eating, sandal wearing, London originating, champagne socialist, greens! We're going to get planning, and the safety certificate and we'll all forget about this once its all finished. Yes we could have gotten there sooner, but a combo of BCC backlog/our incompetence/local residents has frustrated us. I agree it is a combination of events. But let's not kid ourselves that the lobbyist could use the A-Z failures for their own advantage. The Greens acknowledge there are planning issues and delays. Then why not come up with a solution to address this ? It appears some people are using a poor system in order to cause more delays and red tape!. Simone Wilding came up with some solutions to get the wheels turning on planning applications but is was shouted down by the green chair of the planning committee backed up by others, they didn't want any changes until after the next election, presumably so they could make it look like they made the improvements.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2023 12:21:29 GMT
I fancy an Amazon depot, with drones buzzing over their gardens all the time. Talking about Amazon, i see they have not taken their option up on a plot land near their Avonmouth site... nice site for a football stadium LOL or maybe for the bowls club at the ardagh on horfield Common who may soon be kicked out for the greater good of the community. Greens are salivating at potentily removing another bristol club from their gated community in horfield
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 20, 2023 12:26:36 GMT
The whole thing is a farce, lets not forget the club have admitted they should have consulted better with the locals before doing anything. What delays could possibly have been avoided if we hadn't of raised the ire of the locals and brought the Green councillor into the thing in the first place Who were are agents in the first place, because it's reported we have brought in BNP Paribas second time around to make sure it's all legit? Whoever thought we could just whack up a 3,500 seater stand just like that is an idiot, and I am sure there are idiots on BOTH sides of the equation here Do you really think having a chat with the Greens would have changed anything? This article popped up on my news feed earlier, it seems the Greens are objecting to anything being built in the UK www.theargus.co.uk/news/23866058.sian-berry-slams-patcham-royal-mail-development-plans/Agree Topper. The club have consulted and Emma ( Green) have been working as an ' advocate ' for 6 months plus. In the last 24 hours 20 objections have gone live . If this continues on a pro rota basis it would equal if not exceed the objections on the first application. Let me make it clear local people can object. However : to pretend consultation: dialogue and debate would reduce the Anti may not be the case. We need to wait and count the final objections . Personally: I think it would of taken up to 18 months whatever the club would of done . I also think that any consultation will make no difference in the overall objections. I could ' eat my words' and we will know in around 10 days ?.
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Post by heartofgas on Oct 20, 2023 12:46:24 GMT
Agree Topper. The club have consulted and Emma ( Green) have been working as an ' advocate ' for 6 months plus. In the last 24 hours 20 objections have gone live . If this continues on a pro rota basis it would equal if not exceed the objections on the first application. Let me make it clear local people can object. However : to pretend consultation: dialogue and debate would reduce the Anti may not be the case. We need to wait and count the final objections . Personally: I think it would of taken up to 18 months whatever the club would of done . I also think that any consultation will make no difference in the overall objections. I could ' eat my words' and we will know in around 10 days ?. If you are set against rovers developing anything then no amount of consultation will make a difference. I think the reason rovers may have did it in the end was for brownie points with the council.
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Post by tommym9 on Oct 20, 2023 12:54:53 GMT
Unlike the conservatives who are objecting to *checks notes* their own plans: www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jul/24/tory-mp-anthony-browne-michael-gove-cambridge-housing-development-planningSomeone in this thread said we're in danger of stereotyping people, I feel we're at that point with those hummus eating, sandal wearing, London originating, champagne socialist, greens! We're going to get planning, and the safety certificate and we'll all forget about this once its all finished. Yes we could have gotten there sooner, but a combo of BCC backlog/our incompetence/local residents has frustrated us. I agree it is a combination of events. But let's not kid ourselves that the lobbyist could use the A-Z failures for their own advantage. The Greens acknowledge there are planning issues and delays. Then why not come up with a solution to address this ? It appears some people are using a poor system in order to cause more delays and red tape!. Its our application, not theirs. We apparently have consultants working for us who should be able to sort these out, its not on anyone else to fix our problems.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 20, 2023 13:04:57 GMT
I agree it is a combination of events. But let's not kid ourselves that the lobbyist could use the A-Z failures for their own advantage. The Greens acknowledge there are planning issues and delays. Then why not come up with a solution to address this ? It appears some people are using a poor system in order to cause more delays and red tape!. Its our application, not theirs. We apparently have consultants working for us who should be able to sort these out, its not on anyone else to fix our problems. So why did Emma Edwards say " I would of advised the club not to take down the stands" : because of the lengthy planning process ?. Your fault finding in a complicated process and blaming the club. And why have an attitude " its not anyone else to fix the problem". The council and councillors should be working in unison to support and resolve issues. Many are paid by the tax payer and to say to planners / developers " its your issue " is a bit non copertaive and old fashioned. Once again is proof of identifying obstacles in a process but giving no support to resolve. It's what lobbyist love to do !.
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Post by tommym9 on Oct 20, 2023 13:13:49 GMT
Its our application, not theirs. We apparently have consultants working for us who should be able to sort these out, its not on anyone else to fix our problems. So why did Emma Edwards say " I would of advised the club not to take down the stands" : because of the lengthy planning process ?. Your fault finding in a complicated process and blaming the club. And why have an attitude " its not anyone else to fix the problem". The council and councillors should be working in unison to support and resolve issues. Many are paid by the tax payer and to say to planners / developers " its your issue " is a bit non copertaive and old fashioned. Once again is proof of identifying obstacles in a process but giving no support to resolve. It's what lobbyist love to do !. You only have to read this article: www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/hundreds-support-bristol-rovers-second-8842724 to see what we missed off the initial application. To say to the council "you fix it" because we didn't do it right isn't how things work in any other avenue of life, so its not going to be different for planning applications. Sorry if that comes across as old fashioned, or uncooperative, but in my experience if I cock up a process, I get sent back to the beginning to try again. Drivers licence, passport, tax return, visas, etc. As for what Emma has said, I've not got a clue, you'll have to ask her. She has been meeting with the club so that shows some willing to help. She could save herself the headache and do nothing.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 20, 2023 13:28:47 GMT
So why did Emma Edwards say " I would of advised the club not to take down the stands" : because of the lengthy planning process ?. Your fault finding in a complicated process and blaming the club. And why have an attitude " its not anyone else to fix the problem". The council and councillors should be working in unison to support and resolve issues. Many are paid by the tax payer and to say to planners / developers " its your issue " is a bit non copertaive and old fashioned. Once again is proof of identifying obstacles in a process but giving no support to resolve. It's what lobbyist love to do !. You only have to read this article: www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/hundreds-support-bristol-rovers-second-8842724 to see what we missed off the initial application. To say to the council "you fix it" because we didn't do it right isn't how things work in any other avenue of life, so its not going to be different for planning applications. Sorry if that comes across as old fashioned, or uncooperative, but in my experience if I cock up a process, I get sent back to the beginning to try again. Drivers licence, passport, tax return, visas, etc. As for what Emma has said, I've not got a clue, you'll have to ask her. She has been meeting with the club so that shows some willing to help. She could save herself the headache and do nothing. Which is what the club have done !. However : it's not just the clubs fault because the Greens have ' acknowledged the planning process is lengthy ". Its an A-Z catalogue of failures on many sides. However : the Greens didn't need to get deeply involved in this process and support every group opposed to stadium plans. It should represent the many good people on this forum who live locally and support the plans. The lobbyist traditionally supported by the Greens want there cake and eat it! They don't want a stadium in their community (fair enough) but are hiding behind process and appearing nice. That's why people on this forum are getting frustrated. Instead of people being politically correct and hiding behind a process. Come out and say ' we don't want a stadium in our community ' says 300 lobbyist. Let's wait and see if any of these community talks will reduce the objections. Personally I don't think they will and the well organised lobbyist will continue to do what they do. As for the Greens . Its up to them if they continually want to back local lobbyist . They do have choices !.
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Post by tommym9 on Oct 20, 2023 13:54:01 GMT
You only have to read this article: www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/hundreds-support-bristol-rovers-second-8842724 to see what we missed off the initial application. To say to the council "you fix it" because we didn't do it right isn't how things work in any other avenue of life, so its not going to be different for planning applications. Sorry if that comes across as old fashioned, or uncooperative, but in my experience if I cock up a process, I get sent back to the beginning to try again. Drivers licence, passport, tax return, visas, etc. As for what Emma has said, I've not got a clue, you'll have to ask her. She has been meeting with the club so that shows some willing to help. She could save herself the headache and do nothing. Which is what the club have done !. However : it's not just the clubs fault because the Greens have ' acknowledged the planning process is lengthy ". Its an A-Z catalogue of failures on many sides. However : the Greens didn't need to get deeply involved in this process and support every group opposed to stadium plans. It should represent the many good people on this forum who live locally and support the plans. The lobbyist traditionally supported by the Greens want there cake and eat it! They don't want a stadium in their community (fair enough) but are hiding behind process and appearing nice. That's why people on this forum are getting frustrated. Instead of people being politically correct and hiding behind a process. Come out and say ' we don't want a stadium in our community ' says 300 lobbyist. Let's wait and see if any of these community talks will reduce the objections. Personally I don't think they will and the well organised lobbyist will continue to do what they do. As for the Greens . Its up to them if they continually want to back local lobbyist . They do have choices !. On this one, BCCs backlog is with a Labour run council, with a tory govt. Neither of which are the fault of the greens. Its defo been a large part of the delay! As for the rest, I don't know who "lobbyist" is and I'm not up for getting into a discussion on it to be honest.
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Post by nerdgas on Oct 20, 2023 14:11:53 GMT
Which is what the club have done !. However : it's not just the clubs fault because the Greens have ' acknowledged the planning process is lengthy ". Its an A-Z catalogue of failures on many sides. However : the Greens didn't need to get deeply involved in this process and support every group opposed to stadium plans. It should represent the many good people on this forum who live locally and support the plans. The lobbyist traditionally supported by the Greens want there cake and eat it! They don't want a stadium in their community (fair enough) but are hiding behind process and appearing nice. That's why people on this forum are getting frustrated. Instead of people being politically correct and hiding behind a process. Come out and say ' we don't want a stadium in our community ' says 300 lobbyist. Let's wait and see if any of these community talks will reduce the objections. Personally I don't think they will and the well organised lobbyist will continue to do what they do. As for the Greens . Its up to them if they continually want to back local lobbyist . They do have choices !. On this one, BCCs backlog is with a Labour run council, with a tory govt. Neither of which are the fault of the greens. Its defo been a large part of the delay! As for the rest, I don't know who "lobbyist" is and I'm not up for getting into a discussion on it to be honest. I think he means 'lobbyists' not lobbyist. Which I take to mean locals that are actively involved in encouraging objections against the stand.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2023 14:23:30 GMT
Which is what the club have done !. However : it's not just the clubs fault because the Greens have ' acknowledged the planning process is lengthy ". Its an A-Z catalogue of failures on many sides. However : the Greens didn't need to get deeply involved in this process and support every group opposed to stadium plans. It should represent the many good people on this forum who live locally and support the plans. The lobbyist traditionally supported by the Greens want there cake and eat it! They don't want a stadium in their community (fair enough) but are hiding behind process and appearing nice. That's why people on this forum are getting frustrated. Instead of people being politically correct and hiding behind a process. Come out and say ' we don't want a stadium in our community ' says 300 lobbyist. Let's wait and see if any of these community talks will reduce the objections. Personally I don't think they will and the well organised lobbyist will continue to do what they do. As for the Greens . Its up to them if they continually want to back local lobbyist . They do have choices !. On this one, BCCs backlog is with a Labour run council, with a tory govt. Neither of which are the fault of the greens. Its defo been a large part of the delay! As for the rest, I don't know who "lobbyist" is and I'm not up for getting into a discussion on it to be honest. and a further delay by your mate.
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Post by wertongas on Oct 20, 2023 15:31:51 GMT
So why did Emma Edwards say " I would of advised the club not to take down the stands" : because of the lengthy planning process ?. Your fault finding in a complicated process and blaming the club. And why have an attitude " its not anyone else to fix the problem". The council and councillors should be working in unison to support and resolve issues. Many are paid by the tax payer and to say to planners / developers " its your issue " is a bit non copertaive and old fashioned. Once again is proof of identifying obstacles in a process but giving no support to resolve. It's what lobbyist love to do !. You only have to read this article: www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/hundreds-support-bristol-rovers-second-8842724 to see what we missed off the initial application. To say to the council "you fix it" because we didn't do it right isn't how things work in any other avenue of life, so its not going to be different for planning applications. Sorry if that comes across as old fashioned, or uncooperative, but in my experience if I cock up a process, I get sent back to the beginning to try again. Drivers licence, passport, tax return, visas, etc. As for what Emma has said, I've not got a clue, you'll have to ask her. She has been meeting with the club so that shows some willing to help. She could save herself the headache and do nothing. As I pointed out before the planning officer would have met with the club to agree what info was required before this application went in , the constructor would also know what was required as they have put up these stands before. Planning Officer will not verify an application ( first application ) before they have received all the correct plans and accompanying reports. So all this additional information required came about after nimbie and Greens comments./ Objections. I worked as a landscape an arb consultant for a Council and would often meet on site with the applicant before an application went in , or be consulted on plans , which i would make my observations on, on many occasions alterations would have to be made before a decision was made or the application went to committee. TG met with Edwards before the new application went in , he was told by Edwards that she expected the application to be passed. Unfortunatley because of the Gashead , sports hating fraternity and their objection to the new application which has met all the requests made by objectors after the last application , the new application may now have to go to committee. These sports haters just don't want a stadium that has been there for 100 years on their doorstep.
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Post by tommym9 on Oct 20, 2023 15:48:18 GMT
You only have to read this article: www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/bristol-news/hundreds-support-bristol-rovers-second-8842724 to see what we missed off the initial application. To say to the council "you fix it" because we didn't do it right isn't how things work in any other avenue of life, so its not going to be different for planning applications. Sorry if that comes across as old fashioned, or uncooperative, but in my experience if I cock up a process, I get sent back to the beginning to try again. Drivers licence, passport, tax return, visas, etc. As for what Emma has said, I've not got a clue, you'll have to ask her. She has been meeting with the club so that shows some willing to help. She could save herself the headache and do nothing. As I pointed out before the planning officer would have met with the club to agree what info was required before this application went in , the constructor would also know what was required as they have put up these stands before. Planning Officer will not verify an application ( first application ) before they have received all the correct plans and accompanying reports. So all this additional information required came about after nimbie and Greens comments./ Objections. I worked as a landscape an arb consultant for a Council and would often meet on site with the applicant before an application went in , or be consulted on plans , which i would make my observations on, on many occasions alterations would have to be made before a decision was made or the application went to committee. TG met with Edwards before the new application went in , he was told by Edwards that she expected the application to be passed. Unfortunatley because of the Gashead , sports hating fraternity and their objection to the new application which has met all the requests made by objectors after the last application , the new application may now have to go to committee. These sports haters just don't want a stadium that has been there for 100 years on their doorstep. So I've got it right (I'm always happy to be proven wrong) we needed to add the below (from the post article): The second application now includes biodiversity metric tool, a report on the biodiversity net gain, a transport statement, travel plan, a contaminated land study, a noise impact assessment, groundsure reports, a statement on foul and drainage, a report into daylight, sunlight and overshadowing of the new stand, a statement of community involvement, a broadband connectivity statement, a tree constraints and opportunities report, an arboricultural impact assessment, an air quality assessment, a design access statement, a range of models, elevations and view images from various points around the stand, floor plans, site plans, an energy and sustainability statement and an overall planning statement. Because the local residents kicked off? Without that it would have gone through? To the best of your knowledge
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 20, 2023 15:54:27 GMT
Which is what the club have done !. However : it's not just the clubs fault because the Greens have ' acknowledged the planning process is lengthy ". Its an A-Z catalogue of failures on many sides. However : the Greens didn't need to get deeply involved in this process and support every group opposed to stadium plans. It should represent the many good people on this forum who live locally and support the plans. The lobbyist traditionally supported by the Greens want there cake and eat it! They don't want a stadium in their community (fair enough) but are hiding behind process and appearing nice. That's why people on this forum are getting frustrated. Instead of people being politically correct and hiding behind a process. Come out and say ' we don't want a stadium in our community ' says 300 lobbyist. Let's wait and see if any of these community talks will reduce the objections. Personally I don't think they will and the well organised lobbyist will continue to do what they do. As for the Greens . Its up to them if they continually want to back local lobbyist . They do have choices !. On this one, BCCs backlog is with a Labour run council, with a tory govt. Neither of which are the fault of the greens. Its defo been a large part of the delay! As for the rest, I don't know who "lobbyist" is and I'm not up for getting into a discussion on it to be honest. A few things to clear up. 1. The biggest party in Bristol council are the Greens. 2. The chair of planning Committee B is Anni Stafford Townsend ( Green). 3. The only party that have opposed / called in on every single application is the Greens. 4. All other parties have supported every single application the club have made. 5. Finally : why do some not all Green supporters / sympathisers deny the hard facts ?. It feels the Green supporters are trying to have there cake and eat it . On one hand it backs local protest groups ( which they are entitled to do ) but are also using the ' process' to blame others. It be much better to be genuine and straight forward in my opinion.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 20, 2023 16:12:28 GMT
As I pointed out before the planning officer would have met with the club to agree what info was required before this application went in , the constructor would also know what was required as they have put up these stands before. Planning Officer will not verify an application ( first application ) before they have received all the correct plans and accompanying reports. So all this additional information required came about after nimbie and Greens comments./ Objections. I worked as a landscape an arb consultant for a Council and would often meet on site with the applicant before an application went in , or be consulted on plans , which i would make my observations on, on many occasions alterations would have to be made before a decision was made or the application went to committee. TG met with Edwards before the new application went in , he was told by Edwards that she expected the application to be passed. Unfortunatley because of the Gashead , sports hating fraternity and their objection to the new application which has met all the requests made by objectors after the last application , the new application may now have to go to committee. These sports haters just don't want a stadium that has been there for 100 years on their doorstep. So I've got it right (I'm always happy to be proven wrong) we needed to add the below (from the post article): The second application now includes biodiversity metric tool, a report on the biodiversity net gain, a transport statement, travel plan, a contaminated land study, a noise impact assessment, groundsure reports, a statement on foul and drainage, a report into daylight, sunlight and overshadowing of the new stand, a statement of community involvement, a broadband connectivity statement, a tree constraints and opportunities report, an arboricultural impact assessment, an air quality assessment, a design access statement, a range of models, elevations and view images from various points around the stand, floor plans, site plans, an energy and sustainability statement and an overall planning statement. Because the local residents kicked off? Without that it would have gone through? To the best of your knowledge Emma Edwards via the Greens emailed me to say " The Greens have no opinion on the Memorial stadium ". However: they opposed / challenged every single application. Work that out ?. Talk about mind games !.
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Post by willytopp84 on Oct 20, 2023 16:37:14 GMT
Anybody see what this ted did to the new stand? Apparently he's also the landlord of the three lions pub (shudder) wouldn't go in that chav pub if you payed me.
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Post by dudelebowski on Oct 20, 2023 16:43:56 GMT
View AttachmentAnybody see what this ted did to the new stand? Apparently he's also the landlord of the three lions pub (shudder) wouldn't go in that chav pub if you payed me. It’s already on our home shirts, unlucky king flag sh***er.
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Post by Gashead73 on Oct 20, 2023 16:46:29 GMT
Can't wait until we decide to build a new stand.......apart from the Cricket Pavillion (which I can't see a major problem' the North and the East new stands should be a doddle as they are on club grounds that will not effect the locals in any capacity. I'm happy to be proved wrong
PS...I received my letter around a week ago and I have sent my comments for the completion etc of the new stand. I may now live in Street, Somerset but prior to 2018 I was a local to the Mem (Bishopston/Cotham) so since our tenure at Twerton the Mem even in 1996 needed some investment. Forget the fans raising the money for the North Terrace I firmly believe the new stand on the South is derimental' especially with the capacity only going over by 350 what we had a few years ago. I see no real issues whatsoever regards local concern.
I await the day we extend the East Stand and hopefully totally rebuild the Blackthorn/Bass/ or whatever stand. I feel the Fruit Market is a dead duck' besides I never liked the site anyways
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Post by lastminutewinner on Oct 20, 2023 16:53:13 GMT
View AttachmentAnybody see what this ted did to the new stand? Apparently he's also the landlord of the three lions pub (shudder) wouldn't go in that chav pub if you payed me. It cant be a ted. For starters there are no spelling mistakes
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Post by wertongas on Oct 20, 2023 17:00:29 GMT
As I pointed out before the planning officer would have met with the club to agree what info was required before this application went in , the constructor would also know what was required as they have put up these stands before. Planning Officer will not verify an application ( first application ) before they have received all the correct plans and accompanying reports. So all this additional information required came about after nimbie and Greens comments./ Objections. I worked as a landscape an arb consultant for a Council and would often meet on site with the applicant before an application went in , or be consulted on plans , which i would make my observations on, on many occasions alterations would have to be made before a decision was made or the application went to committee. TG met with Edwards before the new application went in , he was told by Edwards that she expected the application to be passed. Unfortunatley because of the Gashead , sports hating fraternity and their objection to the new application which has met all the requests made by objectors after the last application , the new application may now have to go to committee. These sports haters just don't want a stadium that has been there for 100 years on their doorstep. So I've got it right (I'm always happy to be proven wrong) we needed to add the below (from the post article): The second application now includes biodiversity metric tool, a report on the biodiversity net gain, a transport statement, travel plan, a contaminated land study, a noise impact assessment, groundsure reports, a statement on foul and drainage, a report into daylight, sunlight and overshadowing of the new stand, a statement of community involvement, a broadband connectivity statement, a tree constraints and opportunities report, an arboricultural impact assessment, an air quality assessment, a design access statement, a range of models, elevations and view images from various points around the stand, floor plans, site plans, an energy and sustainability statement and an overall planning statement. Because the local residents kicked off? Without that it would have gone through? To the best of your knowledge I would say that 90% of what you have listed above were , included in the comments of objectors such as the greens, tree forum and local people. Lets be fair about it many of the above are not neccessary for this application, there is no flora and fauna on the site it is clear the site will not impact light , in law you only have a right to vertical light. There will be little impact on access or travel as capacity is not increasing, the planning officer would have asked for alot of these reports if he required them . I am not sure about additional plans , but TG told me that the planning officer advised putting in a new application after all the objections. Why would you need a bio- diversity plan when there is no flora or fauna , also some of what you have detailed was carried out before the first application was verified. Why do you need an Arb report when there are no trees within the curtilage of the site ? Any way I am not commenting on it anymore i have done enough.
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