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Post by willytopp84 on Oct 25, 2023 21:33:33 GMT
Starting to look half decent! Looked really imposing on Ifollow last night.
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Post by amgas on Oct 26, 2023 11:49:34 GMT
pa.bristol.gov.uk/online-applications/files/EF2C72759FAE7EE546E08D887965060F/pdf/23_03826_F-TRAVEL_PLAN_FRAMEWORK-3542287.pdfIs interesting reading and has some facts that local residents could do with reading considering the high number of objections related to increased capacity and parking. Among the headlines is the fact the capacity after the stand is open will be 12250 which is less than it was in 2018. Further the club are developing a transport plan to be shared with the highways authority within 6 months of the stand opening. Until then capacity would be limited to 10,500. The document also states bus services pass the stadium at 3 minute intervals, and that the club is willing to contribute to things like bike sheds. The new Ashley Down station of course will have a massive positive impact. Perhaps the residents should be open to the Alton Road end turnstiles being opened to make walking from the station for away fans easier ? If they genuinely want less parking in the area access from that end would make a lot of sense.
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Post by baggins on Oct 26, 2023 11:55:59 GMT
Starting to look half decent! Looked really imposing on Ifollow last night. Was there the other night, looked really good, will look even better when it's full. It will however need pitch lighting from the Stand as the existing flood lights don't cover anything from the 6 yrd box and behind.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 26, 2023 11:57:09 GMT
pa.bristol.gov.uk/online-applications/files/EF2C72759FAE7EE546E08D887965060F/pdf/23_03826_F-TRAVEL_PLAN_FRAMEWORK-3542287.pdfIs interesting reading and has some facts that local residents could do with reading considering the high number of objections related to increased capacity and parking. Among the headlines is the fact the capacity after the stand is open will be 12250 which is less than it was in 2018. Further the club are developing a transport plan to be shared with the highways authority within 6 months of the stand opening. Until then capacity would be limited to 10,500. The document also states bus services pass the stadium at 3 minute intervals, and that the club is willing to contribute to things like bike sheds. The new Ashley Down station of course will have a massive positive impact. Perhaps the residents should be open to the Alton Road end turnstiles being opened to make walking from the station for away fans easier ? If they genuinely want less parking in the area access from that end would make a lot of sense. How long would it take to walk from Ashley down station to the Mem and when is it opening?
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Post by alfie on Oct 26, 2023 12:01:14 GMT
15-20 min walk, due to complete in “2024” apparently.
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Post by yattongas on Oct 26, 2023 12:05:18 GMT
15-20 min walk, due to complete in “2024” apparently. Thanks 👍
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 26, 2023 12:17:55 GMT
pa.bristol.gov.uk/online-applications/files/EF2C72759FAE7EE546E08D887965060F/pdf/23_03826_F-TRAVEL_PLAN_FRAMEWORK-3542287.pdfIs interesting reading and has some facts that local residents could do with reading considering the high number of objections related to increased capacity and parking. Among the headlines is the fact the capacity after the stand is open will be 12250 which is less than it was in 2018. Further the club are developing a transport plan to be shared with the highways authority within 6 months of the stand opening. Until then capacity would be limited to 10,500. The document also states bus services pass the stadium at 3 minute intervals, and that the club is willing to contribute to things like bike sheds. The new Ashley Down station of course will have a massive positive impact. Perhaps the residents should be open to the Alton Road end turnstiles being opened to make walking from the station for away fans easier ? If they genuinely want less parking in the area access from that end would make a lot of sense. If it is 10500 until the summer ( 6 months). Then it's hardly an increase from the last home game v Bolton . For the CAT A games it will be hard to get tickets unless there is a limited on away fans say 1500 ( pompey derby bolton reading charlton oxford exeter etc. ).
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Post by supergas on Oct 27, 2023 8:51:00 GMT
I see the tree huggers experts are back with their views on the upgraded plans...
I guess that's the 'dead' area on google maps behind the west corner of the South Stand and the houses on the two adjacent roads...? I admire their optimism and wonder whether this is the judicial review topic this time around...? Based on the location and the (non) access points to this area, no way the club can easily meet this suggestion....
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Post by amgas on Oct 27, 2023 10:06:56 GMT
They only want access from their back gardens ...... Not for the great unwashed. I wonder if some of those who back onto that think it is their space already. Definite potential for something to be built there with access via the stadium - maybe commercial development used monday to friday or office space for the club.
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Post by chewbacca on Oct 27, 2023 10:08:46 GMT
They only want access from their back gardens ...... Not for the great unwashed. I wonder if some of those who back onto that think it is their space already. Definite potential for something to be built there with access via the stadium - maybe commercial development used monday to friday or office space for the club. Bring back the massive inflatable torso with shirt on.
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Post by supergas on Oct 27, 2023 11:02:55 GMT
They only want access from their back gardens ...... Not for the great unwashed. I wonder if some of those who back onto that think it is their space already. Definite potential for something to be built there with access via the stadium - maybe commercial development used monday to friday or office space for the club. ...and therein lies the potential problem...owned but never (?) used by the club, suddenly becomes an unexpected hindrance to what should be a simple planning approval...
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 27, 2023 11:08:38 GMT
I see the tree huggers experts are back with their views on the upgraded plans... I guess that's the 'dead' area on google maps behind the west corner of the South Stand and the houses on the two adjacent roads...? I admire their optimism and wonder whether this is the judicial review topic this time around...? Based on the location and the (non) access points to this area, no way the club can easily meet this suggestion.... Also the Green Party is the biggest political group at Bristol City Council and the chair of planning committee is a Green. You couldn't make it up the obstacles the club face . Along with the well organised local protest groups . They must be growing in confidence for a 4-0 hammering! (campaign group number 4 )!.
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Post by curlywurly on Oct 27, 2023 11:14:02 GMT
I see the tree huggers experts are back with their views on the upgraded plans... I guess that's the 'dead' area on google maps behind the west corner of the South Stand and the houses on the two adjacent roads...? I admire their optimism and wonder whether this is the judicial review topic this time around...? Based on the location and the (non) access points to this area, no way the club can easily meet this suggestion.... It is that area, and it is addressed within the Biodiversity Net Gain report and calculations and the Arboricultural Assessment submitted by Wardell Armstrong. Ironically, the legislation did not call for biodiversity net gain at the time of the original application, but given the timeline of the planning process, the inclusion of a 10% BNG is now necessary. As a result, the club's response in getting the Wardell Armstrong reports and including provision for additional tree planting is a positive.
I agree with you that the designation of that stranded patch of land as an asset of community value is non-sensical. Even if they could get access, the local community tramping around the scrub area seems to be at odds with the idea of an undisturbed habitat. However, as we saw before, the process of applying for an asset of community value is not in the hands of the land owner. The community puts its case to the council who decide, regardless of the wishes of the land owner.
I still can't reconcile the Bristol Tree Forum's account of trees removed with the situation on the ground or in the Arboricultural survey. However, even accepting the inaccuracies in their analysis and disagreements over habitat descriptions, it boils down to the fact that they are calling for the planting of six trees in that scrub area.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 27, 2023 11:25:35 GMT
What makes a community set up 4 groups to reject any plans / proposals ?. Additionally collaborate with different groups to find gaps cracks in a process ?.
They must loath the club to have so much energy : resistance and determination to stop every single project. If this was transfered to any other project . It would be clear prejudice and discontent.
The objections are now coming in and we will probably see a last ditch campaign to make the council think on the final decision. Sad when you think other communities embrace their local sporting clubs . How many objections did Bristol City have for a massive 27000 revamp ?. Answer 0.
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Post by curlywurly on Oct 27, 2023 11:42:39 GMT
What makes a community set up 4 groups to reject any plans / proposals ?. Additionally collaborate with different groups to find gaps cracks in a process ?. They must loath the club to have so much energy : resistance and determination to stop every single project. If this was transfered to any other project . It would be clear prejudice and discontent. The objections are now coming in and we will probably see a last ditch campaign to make the council think . What is the solution?. As others have suggested, the timing of the objections is co-ordinated. I suppose there is nothing wrong with that as there is an open push for support letters from this forum. I'd recommend that anyone who feels they support the development does so, particulalrly focusing on the points raised by Sir Trevor B'Sol a couple of pages ago.
What will be revealing will be whether Cllr Edwards or Cllr Crawford choose to call in the application at the 11th hour. As the points raised by Cllr Edwards in her original letter to call in the first application have been addressed by the club, I'd suggest that there are little grounds, but we shall see.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 27, 2023 11:49:55 GMT
What makes a community set up 4 groups to reject any plans / proposals ?. Additionally collaborate with different groups to find gaps cracks in a process ?. They must loath the club to have so much energy : resistance and determination to stop every single project. If this was transfered to any other project . It would be clear prejudice and discontent. The objections are now coming in and we will probably see a last ditch campaign to make the council think . What is the solution?. As others have suggested, the timing of the objections is co-ordinated. I suppose there is nothing wrong with that as there is an open push for support letters from this forum. I'd recommend that anyone who feels they support the development does so, particulalrly focusing on the points raised by Sir Trevor B'Sol a couple of pages ago.
What will be revealing will be whether Cllr Edwards or Cllr Crawford choose to call in the application at the 11th hour. As the points raised by Cllr Edwards in her original letter to call in the first application have been addressed by the club, I'd suggest that there are little grounds, but we shall see.
Or simply the Greens being the biggest party ( down played by Greens ) will vote against it. They have massive political clout and could easily back their own 'heartland'. Therefore I think you are right in raising this question. In defence of you : you have always been objective and been opened minded about community protest. However : the Greens have said nothing and we simply don't know their strategy. Even though they say " we have no opinion on the Memorial stadium ". They have now and people will be watching nationally and regionally as its made national headlines. Its a fair question: What will the Greens do now?.
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Post by curlywurly on Oct 27, 2023 12:25:33 GMT
As others have suggested, the timing of the objections is co-ordinated. I suppose there is nothing wrong with that as there is an open push for support letters from this forum. I'd recommend that anyone who feels they support the development does so, particulalrly focusing on the points raised by Sir Trevor B'Sol a couple of pages ago.
What will be revealing will be whether Cllr Edwards or Cllr Crawford choose to call in the application at the 11th hour. As the points raised by Cllr Edwards in her original letter to call in the first application have been addressed by the club, I'd suggest that there are little grounds, but we shall see.
Or simply the Greens being the biggest party ( down played by Greens ) will vote against it. They have massive political clout and could easily back their own 'heartland'. Therefore I think you are right in raising this question. In defence of you : you have always been objective and been opened minded about community protest. However : the Greens have said nothing and we simply don't know their strategy. Even though they say " we have no opinion on the Memorial stadium ". They have now and people will be watching nationally and regionally as its made national headlines. Its a fair question: What will the Greens do now?. If it does go to committee - and it may not - the make up of Development Committee B is 3xGreen, 2xConservative, 3xLabour, 1 x Lib Dem. FWIW decisions should be free of political bias (!)
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Post by oldmarket65 on Oct 27, 2023 12:52:40 GMT
Or simply the Greens being the biggest party ( down played by Greens ) will vote against it. They have massive political clout and could easily back their own 'heartland'. Therefore I think you are right in raising this question. In defence of you : you have always been objective and been opened minded about community protest. However : the Greens have said nothing and we simply don't know their strategy. Even though they say " we have no opinion on the Memorial stadium ". They have now and people will be watching nationally and regionally as its made national headlines. Its a fair question: What will the Greens do now?. If it does go to committee - and it may not - the make up of Development Committee B is 3xGreen, 2xConservative, 3xLabour, 1 x Lib Dem. FWIW decisions should be free of political bias (!) I agree and as I been saying for 8 months Labour & Tories will vote in favour of application. I suppose the question we are trying to raise is ; will the Greens use methods which can delay or disolve the process ?. Politics isn't always straight forward and there are ways and means people / groups can exhaust a process. We simply don't know the Greens stance on this revised application ?.
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Post by bravosierraseven on Oct 28, 2023 8:07:38 GMT
If it does go to committee - and it may not - the make up of Development Committee B is 3xGreen, 2xConservative, 3xLabour, 1 x Lib Dem. FWIW decisions should be free of political bias (!) I agree and as I been saying for 8 months Labour & Tories will vote in favour of application. I suppose the question we are trying to raise is ; will the Greens use methods which can delay or disolve the process ?. Politics isn't always straight forward and there are ways and means people / groups can exhaust a process. We simply don't know the Greens stance on this revised application ?. Fingers crossed the vote will go that way if it comes to that. Looking at some of the objections somebody is clearly orchestrating them as they all seem similar, I don't know where the bats have suddenly come from as they weren't mentioned in previous objections as far as I can remember. Many of the objections are just the usual, "I can't park my car outside my house" and a lot of other BS. As for the tree forum, how on earth did the Bonnington walk development get passed with all of the trees and shrubbery that were removed there? Anyway, if they want the landlocked green area opened for public access the club should demand it's via the Alton Road gates. I would argue though that if you allow public access it would no longer be the wildlife haven that it is and could become a place for anti social behaviour which no doubt the locals would blame on the club.
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Post by supergas on Oct 28, 2023 9:56:48 GMT
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