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Post by bravosierraseven on Nov 2, 2023 9:59:47 GMT
This is from a blog when the Mem was declared an Asset of Community Value and added to the Bristol Local List in 2016, a decision driven by the local residents/pressure groups/political party who wanted it to remain a sports stadium and (I guess) are a similar group to those now opposing the South Stand: "...The Memorial Stadium is embedded in the local community: around it are people’s homes and gardens; nearby pubs, cafes and food outlets sustain visiting football fans. The sports ground gives character and historical significance to the residential area..." "...The Memorial Stadium (or Memorial Ground) has long been a very special local and city asset, inspiring the city’s youth to take up sport and to lead healthy lives for almost a century. The Memorial Stadium is used by Bristol Rovers FC, one of Bristol’s two professional football clubs, and is a venue for League level football matches. Spectator sport is part of the entertainment industry, and football fans further support the local economy, especially food and drink businesses. Cherished sporting memories of the ‘Mem’ stadium are renewed every season, and woven into the social fabric of the city..." "...The Covenant on the land, explicitly states that it should be used for sport or recreation, for the benefit of the community, in perpetuity. It should be nurtured and protected, allowed to evolve and adapt to a changing world. Sport in built up areas in England is special but declining, due to green spaces being sold off for housing..." It was not an Asset of Community Value - that was part of the stopping Sainsbury's plans stuff. The land is privately owned (and has been since 1920-ish). When this appeal came in I asked Nick Higgs at a BRSC AGM if this would create a problem selling the site and he confirmed it would not. An Asset of Community Value must have been used on a daily basis by the public WITHOUT needing permission of the landowners (hence the issue when City wanted to build a new stadium a few years back). Seems to me the local objectors will stop at nothing to prevent or delay permission! The Memorial Stadium has been declared an Asset of Community Value (ACV) by Bristol City Council. ACV status means that if the Memorial Stadium comes up for sale, a group of residents, or a group of Bristol Rovers FC fans, or another group with a sympathetic plan, would have a brief opportunity to purchase the site, and to ensure that sport can carry on being played there. The ACV application was submitted by The Bishopston Society, thanks to the Localism Act (2011) You can read more here:https://memorialgroundbristol.wordpress.com/2015/11/09/an-asset-of-community-value/ Ashton vale was declared a village green.
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Post by supergas on Nov 2, 2023 10:01:49 GMT
This is from a blog when the Mem was declared an Asset of Community Value and added to the Bristol Local List in 2016, a decision driven by the local residents/pressure groups/political party who wanted it to remain a sports stadium and (I guess) are a similar group to those now opposing the South Stand: "...The Memorial Stadium is embedded in the local community: around it are people’s homes and gardens; nearby pubs, cafes and food outlets sustain visiting football fans. The sports ground gives character and historical significance to the residential area..." "...The Memorial Stadium (or Memorial Ground) has long been a very special local and city asset, inspiring the city’s youth to take up sport and to lead healthy lives for almost a century. The Memorial Stadium is used by Bristol Rovers FC, one of Bristol’s two professional football clubs, and is a venue for League level football matches. Spectator sport is part of the entertainment industry, and football fans further support the local economy, especially food and drink businesses. Cherished sporting memories of the ‘Mem’ stadium are renewed every season, and woven into the social fabric of the city..." "...The Covenant on the land, explicitly states that it should be used for sport or recreation, for the benefit of the community, in perpetuity. It should be nurtured and protected, allowed to evolve and adapt to a changing world. Sport in built up areas in England is special but declining, due to green spaces being sold off for housing..." It was not an Asset of Community Value - that was part of the stopping Sainsbury's plans stuff. The land is privately owned (and has been since 1920-ish). When this appeal came in I asked Nick Higgs at a BRSC AGM if this would create a problem selling the site and he confirmed it would not. An Asset of Community Value must have been used on a daily basis by the public WITHOUT needing permission of the landowners (hence the issue when City wanted to build a new stadium a few years back). Seems to me the local objectors will stop at nothing to prevent or delay permission! I assumed what they claimed was the truth. It still might have been, there are plenty of privately owned land/buildings on the list and the asset only stays on that list for five years unless it is re-nominated. Ashton Gate Stadium is on the list (nominated by Bristol City Supporters Society Ltd, expiring 29/12/2024), suggesting the Mem might have been on it at some point... www.bristol.gov.uk/files/documents/2432-220406-asset-of-community-value-register/file
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Post by oldmarket65 on Nov 2, 2023 10:07:21 GMT
There is yet another splinter group (F.O.M.S) click below. Remember this new group ;NO to south stand is the 4th group of challengers. If you read below all is positive between locals and the club as long as the Memorial stadium stays . The last paragraph is the crux and should be used as supporting evidence to approve this application. memorialgroundbristol.wordpress.com/F.O.M.S "would support a community stadium" (first section ) !.
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Post by supergas on Nov 2, 2023 10:21:50 GMT
There is yet another splinter group (F.O.M.S) click below. Remember this new group ;NO to south stand is the 4th group of challengers. If you read below all is positive between locals and the club as long as the Memorial stadium stays . The last paragraph is the crux and should be used as supporting evidence to approve this application. memorialgroundbristol.wordpress.com/F.O.M.S "would support a community stadium" (first section ) !. Yes, that's the blog I got all the previous information from...
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Post by gassince1957 on Nov 2, 2023 11:26:26 GMT
There is yet another splinter group (F.O.M.S) click below. Remember this new group ;NO to south stand is the 4th group of challengers. If you read below all is positive between locals and the club as long as the Memorial stadium stays . The last paragraph is the crux and should be used as supporting evidence to approve this application. memorialgroundbristol.wordpress.com/F.O.M.S "would support a community stadium" (first section ) !. Yes, that's the blog I got all the previous information from... Could be Nick Higgs got it wrong of course! He certainly wasn't the least bit bothered about the application! Let's face it, there's no way the local community could come up with the commercial value of the site!
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Post by bravosierraseven on Nov 2, 2023 12:13:26 GMT
Yes, that's the blog I got all the previous information from... Could be Nick Higgs got it wrong of course! He certainly wasn't the least bit bothered about the application! Let's face it, there's no way the local community could come up with the commercial value of the site! True in that it doesn't stop the club selling the site but it might affect it's value slightly or put potential buyers off if they thought they might meet too much opposition to any plans. I'm not sure if the ACV listing is still relevant but given the fact they want to see the stadium remain you would expect to see more open support from FOMG and the Bishopston society.
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Post by Sir Trevor B'Sol on Nov 2, 2023 14:47:29 GMT
There is a planning application currently underway for Bath Rugby club.
Planning Application Reference: 23/03558/EFUL
Less than 100 Objections have been received and more than 1,300 Support comments have been posted.
Perhaps Gasheads might learn from their experience and utilise their approach in the years ahead.
*** I thought this positive support comment was of interest. The comment seems to take an approach that would be valuable to any future expansion plans at The Home Of Bristol Sport, The Memorial Stadium. ***
30/09/2023: As an avid rugby enthusiast and a proud member of this community, I wholeheartedly endorse the development of a new stadium for our beloved sport. A state-of-the-art stadium is not merely a structure of bricks and steel; it is the heartbeat of our passion, the arena where dreams are forged, and the place where unforgettable memories are created.
This project represents more than just a physical upgrade; it symbolises our commitment to the growth of sporting opportunities in our region. It is an investment in our youth, providing them with a world-class facility to nurture their talent and inspire future generations. It promises to bring together our diverse community, uniting us under the banner of sport, fostering camaraderie, and promoting a healthy lifestyle.
Moreover, a new stadium holds the potential to attract national and international events, putting Bath firmly on the map and boosting our local economy. It's an opportunity to showcase our history, hospitality, culture, and the unique spirit of our community to visitors from far and wide.
In essence, this stadium is not just about rugby; it's about community, opportunity, and pride. It's about building a legacy that will endure for generations to come. I urge all stakeholders to embrace this endeavor, for it has the power to transform not only our The Recreation Ground but our collective spirit and identity as well.
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Post by Strange Gas on Nov 2, 2023 14:57:37 GMT
Just got letter from council . . . Notification of committee date Application no. 23/03826/F Site address: The Memorial Stadium Filton Avenue Bristol BS7 0AG Proposal: Replacement of the current South and South West Stands with a new improved facility to increase the number of seats within the Memorial Stadium, and new toilet facilities and concession stalls. I am writing to let you know that the application above will be considered by the Development Control Committee A at its meeting on Wednesday 15 November 2023. The meeting will be held in City Hall, College Green, Bristol, BS1 5TR. The meeting will be starting at 2pm, although it is not possible to say when the case will be considered. The meeting can be viewed on the day of meeting via council meetings. From the Wednesday before the committee date, a copy of the officer’s report and recommendation can be viewed with the planning application documents (or www.bristol.gov.uk/planningonline). Whilst this report will have a recommendation to either grant or refuse permission, it is important to note that this recommendation does not mean that the decision has already been taken, as the decision now rests entirely with the elected members.
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Post by gas2 on Nov 2, 2023 15:04:52 GMT
If p p is refused i dont think we will be redeveloping the memorial ground in the future
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Post by amgas on Nov 2, 2023 15:10:17 GMT
Given how near the stand is to being finished and the fact that we had planning permission for a bigger 18K redevelopment in the past I think refusal simply means an appeal which ultimately would be successful.
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Post by bravosierraseven on Nov 2, 2023 15:18:56 GMT
If p p is refused i dont think we will be redeveloping the memorial ground in the future If we had to we can appeal and I don't imagine that would be a problem. The other developments would not directly affect houses around the stadium, the only issue would be traffic, air quality and a transport plan which the club should get to work on now and even implement some of it before applying for the next phases.
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Post by oliverhelmet on Nov 2, 2023 15:31:26 GMT
Just got letter from council . . . Notification of committee date Application no. 23/03826/F Site address: The Memorial Stadium Filton Avenue Bristol BS7 0AG Proposal: Replacement of the current South and South West Stands with a new improved facility to increase the number of seats within the Memorial Stadium, and new toilet facilities and concession stalls. I am writing to let you know that the application above will be considered by the Development Control Committee A at its meeting on Wednesday 15 November 2023. The meeting will be held in City Hall, College Green, Bristol, BS1 5TR. The meeting will be starting at 2pm, although it is not possible to say when the case will be considered. The meeting can be viewed on the day of meeting via council meetings. From the Wednesday before the committee date, a copy of the officer’s report and recommendation can be viewed with the planning application documents (or www.bristol.gov.uk/planningonline). Whilst this report will have a recommendation to either grant or refuse permission, it is important to note that this recommendation does not mean that the decision has already been taken, as the decision now rests entirely with the elected members. Ditto Game on
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Post by gassince1957 on Nov 2, 2023 15:54:39 GMT
If p p is refused i dont think we will be redeveloping the memorial ground in the future If we had to we can appeal and I don't imagine that would be a problem. The other developments would not directly affect houses around the stadium, the only issue would be traffic, air quality and a transport plan which the club should get to work on now and even implement some of it before applying for the next phases. Just out of curiosity - how many people used the buses that TG organised a couple of years back? I assume they were stopped due to lack of interest! Like all things, if the cost of some kind of park and ride is too high, people just won't use it. As for air quality - really? What are the club supposed to do to reduce emissions (other than not selling hot spicy food and causing immense flatulence?) I guess the club could show there is a park and ride facility and it's not down to them if nobody uses it. What's the betting loads of objectors turn up at the committee meeting and not many supporters - I can see them now waving their prepared statements and getting stroppy when permission is granted in a repeat of the scenes when Sainsbury's planning was granted!
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Post by oldmarket65 on Nov 2, 2023 16:08:26 GMT
If we had to we can appeal and I don't imagine that would be a problem. The other developments would not directly affect houses around the stadium, the only issue would be traffic, air quality and a transport plan which the club should get to work on now and even implement some of it before applying for the next phases. Just out of curiosity - how many people used the buses that TG organised a couple of years back? I assume they were stopped due to lack of interest! Like all things, if the cost of some kind of park and ride is too high, people just won't use it. As for air quality - really? What are the club supposed to do to reduce emissions (other than not selling hot spicy food and causing immense flatulence?) I guess the club could show there is a park and ride facility and it's not down to them if nobody uses it. What's the betting loads of objectors turn up at the committee meeting and not many supporters - I can see them now waving their prepared statements and getting stroppy when permission is granted in a repeat of the scenes when Sainsbury's planning was granted! This is why it is vital to start a new thread next week with the list of members present to vote at this meeting. Imagine in defence of the councillors the NO to south stand group bombard the meeting with 200 -300 objections . Its not over yet and each forum user must send a support to the councillors once the names have been released if they agree . It's a short window of days and deserves a new thread as a reminder . I don't mind doing it or even better Sir could !.
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 2, 2023 16:14:34 GMT
There is a planning application currently underway for Bath Rugby club. Planning Application Reference: 23/03558/EFUL Less than 100 Objections have been received and more than 1,300 Support comments have been posted. Perhaps Gasheads might learn from their experience and utilise their approach in the years ahead. *** I thought this positive support comment was of interest. The comment seems to take an approach that would be valuable to any future expansion plans at The Home Of Bristol Sport, The Memorial Stadium. *** 30/09/2023: As an avid rugby enthusiast and a proud member of this community, I wholeheartedly endorse the development of a new stadium for our beloved sport. A state-of-the-art stadium is not merely a structure of bricks and steel; it is the heartbeat of our passion, the arena where dreams are forged, and the place where unforgettable memories are created. This project represents more than just a physical upgrade; it symbolises our commitment to the growth of sporting opportunities in our region. It is an investment in our youth, providing them with a world-class facility to nurture their talent and inspire future generations. It promises to bring together our diverse community, uniting us under the banner of sport, fostering camaraderie, and promoting a healthy lifestyle. Moreover, a new stadium holds the potential to attract national and international events, putting Bath firmly on the map and boosting our local economy. It's an opportunity to showcase our history, hospitality, culture, and the unique spirit of our community to visitors from far and wide. In essence, this stadium is not just about rugby; it's about community, opportunity, and pride. It's about building a legacy that will endure for generations to come. I urge all stakeholders to embrace this endeavor, for it has the power to transform not only our The Recreation Ground but our collective spirit and identity as well. Not to put a dampener on this, but the Rec hasn't got nearly the number of houses near it compared to the Mem. Comparing apples and oranges here I'm afraid. Plenty for the club to learn here though, their consultation started back in 2013! www.bathrugby.com/stadium-for-bath/what-you-told-us Its not rocket science is it
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Post by oldmarket65 on Nov 2, 2023 16:28:32 GMT
I can't say 100% by I reckon this will be a full cabinet meeting as Richard Eddy is usually on group A . This means lots of members and a big Green representation as the biggest group on council.
All will be revealed when the agendas come out next week. We must REGISTER our support to this committee it is very important.
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Post by bravosierraseven on Nov 2, 2023 16:44:44 GMT
If we had to we can appeal and I don't imagine that would be a problem. The other developments would not directly affect houses around the stadium, the only issue would be traffic, air quality and a transport plan which the club should get to work on now and even implement some of it before applying for the next phases. Just out of curiosity - how many people used the buses that TG organised a couple of years back? I assume they were stopped due to lack of interest! Like all things, if the cost of some kind of park and ride is too high, people just won't use it. As for air quality - really? What are the club supposed to do to reduce emissions (other than not selling hot spicy food and causing immense flatulence?) I guess the club could show there is a park and ride facility and it's not down to them if nobody uses it. What's the betting loads of objectors turn up at the committee meeting and not many supporters - I can see them now waving their prepared statements and getting stroppy when permission is granted in a repeat of the scenes when Sainsbury's planning was granted! No idea but I didn't think it would work because one bus or coach leaving say Kingswood at a set time would not suit everyone. When there is a concert at AG they have park and rides from the Mall. Ashley down station will hopefully be opening next year and maybe a park and ride from UWE or Filton college could be negotiated. It would need promoting, especially to away fans who don't come by coach and maybe some ticket incentives. As long as there is a viable plan in place it shows it is being thought about. I don't know what happens at the moment but if all players, staff and players families met at the quarters and were coached in there would be more spaces in the car park which would help cover the cost of the coaches.
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Post by bidefordgas on Nov 2, 2023 16:48:10 GMT
I can't say 100% by I reckon this will be a full cabinet meeting as Richard Eddy is usually on group A . This means lots of members and a big Green representation as the biggest group on council. All will be revealed when the agendas come out next week. We must REGISTER our support to this committee it is very important. Looking at the list of meeting attendees there are 9 councillors on committee A, so not a great number of councillors. Source. The recent announcement by BCC about the meeting
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Post by skin01 on Nov 2, 2023 17:00:13 GMT
Back in the Twerton days you could buya combined match and bus ticket at a discount.
Not so easy now but a reduced bus/train price for match ticket holders would help.
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Post by bathtubpirate on Nov 2, 2023 17:03:12 GMT
Back in the Twerton days you could buya combined match and bus ticket at a discount. Not so easy now but a reduced bus/train price for match ticket holders would help. It would be great if I could easily get an organised bus/coach from Bath, or at least from Temple Meads or Filton train station.
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