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Post by gascloud on Nov 19, 2023 12:46:44 GMT
The mayflower stand at Plymouth has been tarted up with the terracing swapped for seats, no extended roof so open to the elements. Like I’ve said before, people will be getting wet somewhere as no ground it water proof. And they still have the dreaded pillars😳think their capacity is around 16,000 and I would say they have bigger aspirations than us currently?
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Post by yattongas on Nov 19, 2023 12:51:27 GMT
The mayflower stand at Plymouth has been tarted up with the terracing swapped for seats, no extended roof so open to the elements. Like I’ve said before, people will be getting wet somewhere as no ground it water proof. And they still have the dreaded pillars😳think their capacity is around 16,000 and I would say they have bigger aspirations than us currently? 17k
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 19, 2023 13:13:24 GMT
I thought the point was you were claiming Mr A didn't say that any of the terracing would be remaining? No. The point I was making is that some of us will have to pay more to see Rovers as they will have to have a seat. This doesn't prove or disprove that hypothesis. Supply and demand will dictate prices, the club isn't going to want loads of seats left unsold. Although if we ever get promoted prices will go up anyway.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Nov 19, 2023 13:23:51 GMT
The mayflower stand at Plymouth has been tarted up with the terracing swapped for seats, no extended roof so open to the elements. Like I’ve said before, people will be getting wet somewhere as no ground it water proof. And they still have the dreaded pillars😳think their capacity is around 16,000 and I would say they have bigger aspirations than us currently? I think we’ll do something similar with the East Stand/Terrace, whether or not the stand itself gets flattened or just added to I think we’ll see the actual terrace part converted to seats or safe standing.
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Post by gasify on Nov 19, 2023 13:29:41 GMT
No. The point I was making is that some of us will have to pay more to see Rovers as they will have to have a seat. This doesn't prove or disprove that hypothesis. Supply and demand will dictate prices, the club isn't going to want loads of seats left unsold. Although if we ever get promoted prices will go up anyway. Couldn't disagree with you more. Football is Inelastic
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Post by buktaboy on Nov 19, 2023 14:12:45 GMT
The mayflower stand at Plymouth has been tarted up with the terracing swapped for seats, no extended roof so open to the elements. Like I’ve said before, people will be getting wet somewhere as no ground it water proof. And they still have the dreaded pillars😳think their capacity is around 16,000 and I would say they have bigger aspirations than us currently? I think this will probably be similar to what they do with the terracing on the East side, with another meccano stand behind. Attachment DeletedThe stands at the back will need to be the same height and rake as the existing East Stand. The only thing I'm not sure about though is whether people sat at in the far top left corner of the SE section will be able to see all the way across the existing stand and new SW stand and still be able to see the near corner of the pitch (and the same for anyone sat top right corner of the SW section). Let's hope not and the architects recommend knocking the whole sodding thing down.
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Post by bluetooth0077 on Nov 19, 2023 14:14:19 GMT
I'd personally take a 16000 all seated stadium I no the bars use to be 11pm last orders whether that can be raised to midnight I don't know. As we need extra venue sources and having various facilities for wedding receptions and general parties etc is important and a 11pm bar is to early for most
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Post by baggins on Nov 19, 2023 14:17:43 GMT
Supply and demand will dictate prices, the club isn't going to want loads of seats left unsold. Although if we ever get promoted prices will go up anyway. Couldn't disagree with you more. Football is Inelastic Inelastic? Excuse poor education but what does that mean?
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Post by eric on Nov 19, 2023 15:16:37 GMT
I get the impression they'll just put two stands alongside the East Stand and keep all the terracing, as making it all seated and covered would be virtually impossible if the present stand remains. Fully covering the East Stand may be a challenge unless they replace the roof completely but they could reconfigure the terracing to swap it over for seats. After hearing the new owners interview my expectation was that the East Stand could be extended at both ends toward the corner flags and designed in such a way that once extended the roof would appear as one seamless construction and that the existing metal steps up from the terrace would be removed allowing a new seating structure to be built on to the existing terrace - hopefully then giving the appearance of one large two tiered stand. Whether that will be possible we’ll have to wait and see what the architects come up with. When we move onto the North end options are more limited - the only option is surely to demolish and build one big high stand similar to that which got planning approval in the late 1990’s. Plenty of space behind to build some quite sizeable bars and hospitality rooms. It might just be me but although the new South Stand is a great new addition the SW corner is a bit ugly. Might be my OCD but I prefer a bit of symmetry and wouldn’t have bothered with that part of the stand. I’d prefer if possible that the West Stand and Terrace at both ends was just extended (again in a way to give it a seamless appearance).
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 19, 2023 16:46:42 GMT
Couldn't disagree with you more. Football is Inelastic Inelastic? Excuse poor education but what does that mean? An economics term, I think he's suggesting that prices are pretty fixed whereas Topper was suggesting that prices could vary depending on whether we expect to sell out.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 19, 2023 16:48:08 GMT
I sense you've got high expectations re the East Stand, but I guess we were presently surprised by the South Stand designs when they were first revealed.
I assume the SW Stand was kept to a similar outline to the old tent, in order to try and avoid any issues with planning with the houses behind that stand.
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 19, 2023 16:49:28 GMT
Fully covering the East Stand may be a challenge unless they replace the roof completely but they could reconfigure the terracing to swap it over for seats. After hearing the new owners interview my expectation was that the East Stand could be extended at both ends toward the corner flags and designed in such a way that once extended the roof would appear as one seamless construction and that the existing metal steps up from the terrace would be removed allowing a new seating structure to be built on to the existing terrace - hopefully then giving the appearance of one large two tiered stand. Whether that will be possible we’ll have to wait and see what the architects come up with. When we move onto the North end options are more limited - the only option is surely to demolish and build one big high stand similar to that which got planning approval in the late 1990’s. Plenty of space behind to build some quite sizeable bars and hospitality rooms. It might just be me but although the new South Stand is a great new addition the SW corner is a bit ugly. Might be my OCD but I prefer a bit of symmetry and wouldn’t have bothered with that part of the stand. I’d prefer if possible that the West Stand and Terrace at both ends was just extended (again in a way to give it a seamless appearance). My OCD too. I would have preferred a more horseshoe shape/wrap around design then extending seamlessly along the West stand but that's not what they are after.
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Post by gasify on Nov 19, 2023 17:16:05 GMT
Couldn't disagree with you more. Football is Inelastic Inelastic? Excuse poor education but what does that mean? When someone talks about the law of supply and demand, what they are talking about is price elasticity. As the price increases then the demand should decrease. However, there are some things that don't follow this behaviour. They are said to be price inelastic. So when the price goes up, the demand stays the same. Football is price inelastic, it doesn't really follow that if you increase prices you will lose demand.
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Post by Gassy on Nov 19, 2023 17:19:17 GMT
The mayflower stand at Plymouth has been tarted up with the terracing swapped for seats, no extended roof so open to the elements. Like I’ve said before, people will be getting wet somewhere as no ground it water proof. And they still have the dreaded pillars😳think their capacity is around 16,000 and I would say they have bigger aspirations than us currently? I think this will probably be similar to what they do with the terracing on the East side, with another meccano stand behind. View AttachmentThe stands at the back will need to be the same height and rake as the existing East Stand. The only thing I'm not sure about though is whether people sat at in the far top left corner of the SE section will be able to see all the way across the existing stand and new SW stand and still be able to see the near corner of the pitch (and the same for anyone sat top right corner of the SW section). Let's hope not and the architects recommend knocking the whole sodding thing down. Did they redo the terraces concrete at the bottom? Looks very new. Makes sense if they did. Having been to a fair few stands where they’ve just plonked seats in, it’s usually a pretty terrible experience
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 19, 2023 17:30:56 GMT
Inelastic? Excuse poor education but what does that mean? When someone talks about the law of supply and demand, what they are talking about is price elasticity. As the price increases then the demand should decrease. However, there are some things that don't follow this behaviour. They are said to be price inelastic. So when the price goes up, the demand stays the same. Football is price inelastic, it doesn't really follow that if you increase prices you will lose demand. The theory is taught very binary in that you can pretty much get away with putting up prices indefinitely on an inelastic good when in reality there is shades of grey. Technically football tickets are very much inelastic in that we can increase prices without too much recrimination but that doesn’t mean that we can indefinitely do so and we can’t get away with charging premier league prices unless we find ourselves in the premier league. And even then we’d never reach the ceiling of the globally known clubs found in London and the North West.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 19, 2023 17:35:46 GMT
After hearing the new owners interview my expectation was that the East Stand could be extended at both ends toward the corner flags and designed in such a way that once extended the roof would appear as one seamless construction and that the existing metal steps up from the terrace would be removed allowing a new seating structure to be built on to the existing terrace - hopefully then giving the appearance of one large two tiered stand. Whether that will be possible we’ll have to wait and see what the architects come up with. When we move onto the North end options are more limited - the only option is surely to demolish and build one big high stand similar to that which got planning approval in the late 1990’s. Plenty of space behind to build some quite sizeable bars and hospitality rooms. It might just be me but although the new South Stand is a great new addition the SW corner is a bit ugly. Might be my OCD but I prefer a bit of symmetry and wouldn’t have bothered with that part of the stand. I’d prefer if possible that the West Stand and Terrace at both ends was just extended (again in a way to give it a seamless appearance). My OCD too. I would have preferred a more horseshoe shape/wrap around design then extending seamlessly along the West stand but that's not what they are after. I guess we had to do the South West. Not doing it probably made the scheme infeasible as it would probably have got in the way of the construction of the South Stand and any associated concessions necessary.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 19, 2023 17:39:58 GMT
When someone talks about the law of supply and demand, what they are talking about is price elasticity. As the price increases then the demand should decrease. However, there are some things that don't follow this behaviour. They are said to be price inelastic. So when the price goes up, the demand stays the same. Football is price inelastic, it doesn't really follow that if you increase prices you will lose demand. The theory is taught very binary in that you can pretty much get away with putting up prices indefinitely on an inelastic good when in reality there is shades of grey. Technically football tickets are very much inelastic in that we can increase prices without too much recrimination but that doesn’t mean that we can indefinitely do so and we can’t get away with charging premier league prices unless we find ourselves in the premier league. And even then we’d never reach the ceiling of the globally known clubs found in London and the North West. Surely the other issue is the club will be increasing the number of seats, at present it's a struggle to get a seat but if in future there's 10,000 seats you could probably get one quite easily for most games.
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Post by baggins on Nov 19, 2023 17:42:05 GMT
Inelastic? Excuse poor education but what does that mean? When someone talks about the law of supply and demand, what they are talking about is price elasticity. As the price increases then the demand should decrease. However, there are some things that don't follow this behaviour. They are said to be price inelastic. So when the price goes up, the demand stays the same. Football is price inelastic, it doesn't really follow that if you increase prices you will lose demand. Ah. Nothing to do with what's getting stretched on my boxer shorts then.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Nov 19, 2023 18:05:35 GMT
The theory is taught very binary in that you can pretty much get away with putting up prices indefinitely on an inelastic good when in reality there is shades of grey. Technically football tickets are very much inelastic in that we can increase prices without too much recrimination but that doesn’t mean that we can indefinitely do so and we can’t get away with charging premier league prices unless we find ourselves in the premier league. And even then we’d never reach the ceiling of the globally known clubs found in London and the North West. Surely the other issue is the club will be increasing the number of seats, at present it's a struggle to get a seat but if in future there's 10,000 seats you could probably get one quite easily for most games. True. But there's probably a decent chunk of supporters staying away because there's a shortage of decent seating in the stadium. And whilst there's plenty in the south end - I can't be alone in preferring to be in the middle of the pitch as although I technically don't have that poor eyesight I can't see the other end of the pitch from behind the goals! There's probably a decent amount who'd rather take a seat if there was better supply of seats at certain points in the ground that suited them.
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Post by eric on Nov 19, 2023 18:25:42 GMT
When someone talks about the law of supply and demand, what they are talking about is price elasticity. As the price increases then the demand should decrease. However, there are some things that don't follow this behaviour. They are said to be price inelastic. So when the price goes up, the demand stays the same. Football is price inelastic, it doesn't really follow that if you increase prices you will lose demand. The theory is taught very binary in that you can pretty much get away with putting up prices indefinitely on an inelastic good when in reality there is shades of grey. Technically football tickets are very much inelastic in that we can increase prices without too much recrimination but that doesn’t mean that we can indefinitely do so and we can’t get away with charging premier league prices unless we find ourselves in the premier league. And even then we’d never reach the ceiling of the globally known clubs found in London and the North West. On the flip side didn’t Bradford (who had a far bigger capacity than was ever likely to get used in League Two) reduce their prices to increase attendances, which in turn will have increased revenue through food and drink sales?
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