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Post by chewbacca on Dec 11, 2023 11:14:59 GMT
I access Twitter on my phone and just click the Share icon under the Tweet and select Copy Link, then paste it in here. Bristol Rovers Disabled Supporters Association; On Monday we had a chance to see first hand the work being done by people fans won’t know. The people at the coal face who had nothing to do with plans or process. It’s truly a Herculean effort to get it over the line. Many thanks to all those involved at the coal face👍 #utg
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Post by supergas on Dec 11, 2023 11:17:52 GMT
Yes, I do. I know I may be a bit naive, but I genuinely think that Wael thought that it was worth spending £1.5 million to increase capacity and revenue for a few years because the Fruit Market was years away, if ever. It was, and is, a very temporary structure which can be taken down very quickly. The clear reason he hadn’t spent very much on the Mem was because we wouldn’t be staying there. I know we’re Bristol Rovers, so not usually up with the times, but no one builds a permanent stand with pillars these days……Not even us. Given it's taken over 6 months to erect is it really going to be quick to take down? To me it looks as permanent as any other stand at the Mem. Unless Wael is totally out of his depth when it comes to the financials then I can't see how he ever thought the FM was viable. Look closer. All through the East and West stands, as well as the terracing/buildings at the North you see concrete and brickwork - walls, walkways, supports. What are the seats attached to? How is the rear of the East Stand built up to the top of the second storey? The South and South-West stands above ground are just prefabricated parts joined together. Nothing cemented together. No concrete poured. You could literally take it apart piece-by-piece and rebuild it somewhere else....
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 11, 2023 18:11:11 GMT
Given it's taken over 6 months to erect is it really going to be quick to take down? To me it looks as permanent as any other stand at the Mem. Unless Wael is totally out of his depth when it comes to the financials then I can't see how he ever thought the FM was viable. Look closer. All through the East and West stands, as well as the terracing/buildings at the North you see concrete and brickwork - walls, walkways, supports. What are the seats attached to? How is the rear of the East Stand built up to the top of the second storey? The South and South-West stands above ground are just prefabricated parts joined together. Nothing cemented together. No concrete poured. You could literally take it apart piece-by-piece and rebuild it somewhere else.... It's hardly going to be a 24 hours operation to take the stand down like it was with the tents, all the seats will have to be removed, the parts the seats are fixed removed, the roof and side panelling then the meter girders, plus whatever is being built in the concourse, that's probably a months work. Regardless if it's only temporary where's this mysterious ground situated where we're moving to so the stand can be dismantled once we leave the Mem?
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 11, 2023 18:19:24 GMT
Look closer. All through the East and West stands, as well as the terracing/buildings at the North you see concrete and brickwork - walls, walkways, supports. What are the seats attached to? How is the rear of the East Stand built up to the top of the second storey? The South and South-West stands above ground are just prefabricated parts joined together. Nothing cemented together. No concrete poured. You could literally take it apart piece-by-piece and rebuild it somewhere else.... It's hardly going to be a 24 hours operation to take the stand down like it was with the tents, all the seats will have to be removed, the parts the seats are fixed removed, the roof and side panelling then the meter girders, plus whatever is being built in the concourse, that's probably a months work. Regardless if it's only temporary where's this mysterious ground situated where we're moving to so the stand can be dismantled once we leave the Mem? Supergas was answering a different question, that it's not constructed the same way as the others, which was your post. It's (relatively) easily dismantled. As for the mythical ground, at the time of initial sign off, it was the FM. It's now become Phase 1 by default, not design imo.
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Post by percy on Dec 11, 2023 18:46:26 GMT
Reusable rather than temporary Would have a resale value. Unlike knocking down a concrete structure. Let’s get away from using temp and perm
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Post by Jomo on Dec 11, 2023 18:46:42 GMT
Do you honestly believe Wael would spend £m's building a temporary stand when he has spent a penny previously? The FM must have been dead well before the new stand was signed off, assuming it was ever a goer or just something used to attract potential investors/keep fans demanding stadium new quiet for a few months/years. Yes, I do. I know I may be a bit naive, but I genuinely think that Wael thought that it was worth spending £1.5 million to increase capacity and revenue for a few years because the Fruit Market was years away, if ever. It was, and is, a very temporary structure which can be taken down very quickly. The clear reason he hadn’t spent very much on the Mem was because we wouldn’t be staying there. I know we’re Bristol Rovers, so not usually up with the times, but no one builds a permanent stand with pillars these days……Not even us. My thoughts exactly. The new South Stand was advertised as an improvement while we were still at the Mem, hence short constructuon time/sign off etc. Yes it turned out more time consuming than the club planned (naivety on the club's part) but to now consider the new stand to be a permanent "phase 1" of the Mem's official redevelopment plans is just revisionism. Otherwise it was meant to be phase 1 all along, in which case the club would have deliberately mislead the fans. Indeed they even published a teaser video for the Fruit Market in pre-season. I'd like to think that they wouldn't do that, so I do hope the next phases of development are better thought out. I say all this knowing that the new stand is a huge improvement on the old one, but the story has to be straight.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 11, 2023 18:47:28 GMT
It's hardly going to be a 24 hours operation to take the stand down like it was with the tents, all the seats will have to be removed, the parts the seats are fixed removed, the roof and side panelling then the meter girders, plus whatever is being built in the concourse, that's probably a months work. Regardless if it's only temporary where's this mysterious ground situated where we're moving to so the stand can be dismantled once we leave the Mem? Supergas was answering a different question, that it's not constructed the same way as the others, which was your post. It's (relatively) easily dismantled. As for the mythical ground, at the time of initial sign off, it was the FM. It's now become Phase 1 by default, not design imo. The FM was clearly already dead, or at least not financed in any way, when the stand was signed off?
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Post by ashlinggas on Dec 11, 2023 19:39:30 GMT
Reusable rather than temporary Would have a resale value. Unlike knocking down a concrete structure. Let’s get away from using temp and perm Gillingham's "temporary" away end, which is just scaffolding and wood I believe having sat in it several times, has been there for donkey's years. The rest of their ground is pretty tidy. I suspect Gillingham are reluctant to spend ant money improving that end while it pays its way as it is.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 11, 2023 19:47:36 GMT
Yes, I do. I know I may be a bit naive, but I genuinely think that Wael thought that it was worth spending £1.5 million to increase capacity and revenue for a few years because the Fruit Market was years away, if ever. It was, and is, a very temporary structure which can be taken down very quickly. The clear reason he hadn’t spent very much on the Mem was because we wouldn’t be staying there. I know we’re Bristol Rovers, so not usually up with the times, but no one builds a permanent stand with pillars these days……Not even us. My thoughts exactly. The new South Stand was advertised as an improvement while we were still at the Mem, hence short constructuon time/sign off etc. Yes it turned out more time consuming than the club planned (naivety on the club's part) but to now consider the new stand to be a permanent "phase 1" of the Mem's official redevelopment plans is just revisionism. Otherwise it was meant to be phase 1 all along, in which case the club would have deliberately mislead the fans. Indeed they even published a teaser video for the Fruit Market in pre-season. I'd like to think that they wouldn't do that, so I do hope the next phases of development are better thought out. I say all this knowing that the new stand is a huge improvement on the old one, but the story has to be straight. Have you looked at the new south stand from the west side of the ground, if so, then it looks clear that the club always intended continuing it round to the east side, otherwise the stand would have always remained open to the elements at that end and the away terracing would have always looked odd being only ever used to 50% capacity. If Hussian decided in two meetings the FM was a non starter then I find it hard to believe that Wael thought it was still a goer, however naive he may be as a business man.
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 11, 2023 19:50:10 GMT
Supergas was answering a different question, that it's not constructed the same way as the others, which was your post. It's (relatively) easily dismantled. As for the mythical ground, at the time of initial sign off, it was the FM. It's now become Phase 1 by default, not design imo. The FM was clearly already dead, or at least not financed in any way, when the stand was signed off? Not financed, but not dead either.
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Post by keygas on Dec 11, 2023 19:59:31 GMT
Found this YouTube clip from a Cheltenham fan sat in the new south stand, decent view & the pillars don’t look too much of an issue, definitely wouldn’t put me off of buying a ticket in the home section when they become available.
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Post by joefrankie on Dec 11, 2023 20:38:28 GMT
Look closer. All through the East and West stands, as well as the terracing/buildings at the North you see concrete and brickwork - walls, walkways, supports. What are the seats attached to? How is the rear of the East Stand built up to the top of the second storey? The South and South-West stands above ground are just prefabricated parts joined together. Nothing cemented together. No concrete poured. You could literally take it apart piece-by-piece and rebuild it somewhere else.... It's hardly going to be a 24 hours operation to take the stand down like it was with the tents, all the seats will have to be removed, the parts the seats are fixed removed, the roof and side panelling then the meter girders, plus whatever is being built in the concourse, that's probably a months work. Regardless if it's only temporary where's this mysterious ground situated where we're moving to so the stand can be dismantled once we leave the Mem? It was supposed to be the Fruit Market, but that’s dead now. Keep up 😉
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 11, 2023 22:01:00 GMT
It's hardly going to be a 24 hours operation to take the stand down like it was with the tents, all the seats will have to be removed, the parts the seats are fixed removed, the roof and side panelling then the meter girders, plus whatever is being built in the concourse, that's probably a months work. Regardless if it's only temporary where's this mysterious ground situated where we're moving to so the stand can be dismantled once we leave the Mem? It was supposed to be the Fruit Market, but that’s dead now. Keep up 😉 I think you're the one who needs to keep up
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Post by Jomo on Dec 11, 2023 22:28:04 GMT
My thoughts exactly. The new South Stand was advertised as an improvement while we were still at the Mem, hence short constructuon time/sign off etc. Yes it turned out more time consuming than the club planned (naivety on the club's part) but to now consider the new stand to be a permanent "phase 1" of the Mem's official redevelopment plans is just revisionism. Otherwise it was meant to be phase 1 all along, in which case the club would have deliberately mislead the fans. Indeed they even published a teaser video for the Fruit Market in pre-season. I'd like to think that they wouldn't do that, so I do hope the next phases of development are better thought out. I say all this knowing that the new stand is a huge improvement on the old one, but the story has to be straight. Have you looked at the new south stand from the west side of the ground, if so, then it looks clear that the club always intended continuing it round to the east side, otherwise the stand would have always remained open to the elements at that end and the away terracing would have always looked odd being only ever used to 50% capacity. If Hussian decided in two meetings the FM was a non starter then I find it hard to believe that Wael thought it was still a goer, however naive he may be as a business man. That may well be the case, I'm not saying it's not, but that would leave a real sour taste for me considering the FM site teaser put out in pre-season. Was it for the season ticket sales? What's done is done and all that and I accept the Mem redevelopment as the way forward, but if they secretly planned this as phase 1 all along, I'd feel mislead and frankly p'd off at the principle of it.
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Post by aghast on Dec 11, 2023 23:52:20 GMT
Have you looked at the new south stand from the west side of the ground, if so, then it looks clear that the club always intended continuing it round to the east side, otherwise the stand would have always remained open to the elements at that end and the away terracing would have always looked odd being only ever used to 50% capacity. If Hussian decided in two meetings the FM was a non starter then I find it hard to believe that Wael thought it was still a goer, however naive he may be as a business man. That may well be the case, I'm not saying it's not, but that would leave a real sour taste for me considering the FM site teaser put out in pre-season. Was it for the season ticket sales? What's done is done and all that and I accept the Mem redevelopment as the way forward, but if they secretly planned this as phase 1 all along, I'd feel mislead and frankly p'd off at the principle of it. I'm not sure what to think of Wael and his announcements, in hindsight. I'm inclined to think they were optimistic at the time, rather than misleading, but we know now they should all have been taken with a pinch of salt.
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Post by gasify on Dec 12, 2023 11:49:21 GMT
Have you looked at the new south stand from the west side of the ground, if so, then it looks clear that the club always intended continuing it round to the east side, otherwise the stand would have always remained open to the elements at that end and the away terracing would have always looked odd being only ever used to 50% capacity. If Hussian decided in two meetings the FM was a non starter then I find it hard to believe that Wael thought it was still a goer, however naive he may be as a business man. That may well be the case, I'm not saying it's not, but that would leave a real sour taste for me considering the FM site teaser put out in pre-season. Was it for the season ticket sales? What's done is done and all that and I accept the Mem redevelopment as the way forward, but if they secretly planned this as phase 1 all along, I'd feel mislead and frankly p'd off at the principle of it. To be honest, I would be pleasantly surprised if we had done something 'strategic'.
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Post by peterhooper57 on Dec 12, 2023 12:01:17 GMT
Brilliant Rovers staying at the MEM. Second verse same as the first, knock the East Stand down and build a massive stand back into the existing car park, third verse knock down the Blackthorn and build a spion cop, and on we go. UTG
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Post by supergas on Dec 12, 2023 12:22:39 GMT
Look closer. All through the East and West stands, as well as the terracing/buildings at the North you see concrete and brickwork - walls, walkways, supports. What are the seats attached to? How is the rear of the East Stand built up to the top of the second storey? The South and South-West stands above ground are just prefabricated parts joined together. Nothing cemented together. No concrete poured. You could literally take it apart piece-by-piece and rebuild it somewhere else.... It's hardly going to be a 24 hours operation to take the stand down like it was with the tents, all the seats will have to be removed, the parts the seats are fixed removed, the roof and side panelling then the meter girders, plus whatever is being built in the concourse, that's probably a months work. Regardless if it's only temporary where's this mysterious ground situated where we're moving to so the stand can be dismantled once we leave the Mem? A day, a week, a month...irrelevant. The point is you can take it apart piece by piece and reuse it - either the whole thing as it currently is or different parts for different new stands. Since the company that designed it is a leader in the field and uses this kind of modular design a lot, chances are if/when it's removed at least some of it will be used somewhere else... With brickwork, with concrete, it can only be demolished...
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Post by eric on Dec 12, 2023 14:33:12 GMT
Brilliant Rovers staying at the MEM. Second verse same as the first, knock the East Stand down and build a massive stand back into the existing car park, third verse knock down the Blackthorn and build a spion cop, and on we go. UTG What is a spion policeman?
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Post by stuart1974 on Dec 12, 2023 14:37:19 GMT
Brilliant Rovers staying at the MEM. Second verse same as the first, knock the East Stand down and build a massive stand back into the existing car park, third verse knock down the Blackthorn and build a spion cop, and on we go. UTG What is a spion policeman? Maybe he meant Psion, which doesn't really exist. Perhaps apt. 😃
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