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Post by aghast on Apr 3, 2023 21:26:47 GMT
Why what good is actually doing when the final had Europe's biggest attendance this weekend, the EFL will just consider it's a success as the final's making them loads of money, they won't careless if Rovers had 1,000 or 10,000 watching the qualifying rounds. I’m Fairly sure since the U21’s came into it 4/5 years ago, not one of them has even made the semi final? That includes when it was done by area before they slung everyone in together at the last 4 stage. But it's not about winning it or even necessarily doing well. The big clubs don't care about that. It's a long game, so to speak, to get B teams accepted first in this competition and then in the lower leagues like the situation in Spain. Then they can breed their prodigies playing proper competitive football for their own benefit, instead of relying on youth and reserve matches and loans (which are good for experience but not good when re-integrating players back into the parent squad). |
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Post by daniel300380 on Apr 3, 2023 21:36:28 GMT
I’m Fairly sure since the U21’s came into it 4/5 years ago, not one of them has even made the semi final? That includes when it was done by area before they slung everyone in together at the last 4 stage. But it's not about winning it or even necessarily doing well. The big clubs don't care about that. It's a long game, so to speak, to get B teams accepted first in this competition and then in the lower leagues like the situation in Spain. Then they can breed their prodigies playing proper competitive football for their own benefit, instead of relying on youth and reserve matches and loans (which are good for experience but not good when re-integrating players back into the parent squad). We've had this argument loads of times before. Them being in this rubbish tournament has no bearing on them joining the league, imo it helps prevent them from joining it. They tried to join the league before, but the vote was not even close. They let them in this instead, to stop them trying again. No doubting they will try again at some stage, but at least this gives them some game time and keeps them at bay a bit longer. When they try again, clubs will only vote yes, if they pay enough compensation. So boycotting now won't make any difference. If fans were going to boycott, boycotting just the youth games would have made a bigger impact. As they would have thought that no one wants to watch those games, but they want to watch the games that only involve league 1 and 2 teams. |
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Post by aghast on Apr 3, 2023 21:46:47 GMT
But it's not about winning it or even necessarily doing well. The big clubs don't care about that. It's a long game, so to speak, to get B teams accepted first in this competition and then in the lower leagues like the situation in Spain. Then they can breed their prodigies playing proper competitive football for their own benefit, instead of relying on youth and reserve matches and loans (which are good for experience but not good when re-integrating players back into the parent squad). We've had this argument loads of times before. Them being in this rubbish tournament has no bearing on them joining the league, imo it helps prevent them from joining it. They tried to join the league before, but the vote was not even close. They let them in this instead, to stop them trying again. No doubting they will try again at some stage, but at least this gives them some game time and keeps them at bay a bit longer. When they try again, clubs will only vote yes, if they pay enough compensation. So boycotting now won't make any difference. If fans were going to boycott, boycotting just the youth games would have made a bigger impact. As they would have thought that no one wants to watch those games, but they want to watch the games that only involve league 1 and 2 teams. That's like a tramp knocking at your door saying he wants to live with you, but instead of slamming the door you put him in your shed to sort him out. Next thing you know he's mowing your lawn, then cooking your dinner and next marrying your daughter and inheriting your estate. It worked for me. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Apr 3, 2023 22:20:34 GMT
We've had this argument loads of times before. Them being in this rubbish tournament has no bearing on them joining the league, imo it helps prevent them from joining it. They tried to join the league before, but the vote was not even close. They let them in this instead, to stop them trying again. No doubting they will try again at some stage, but at least this gives them some game time and keeps them at bay a bit longer. When they try again, clubs will only vote yes, if they pay enough compensation. So boycotting now won't make any difference. If fans were going to boycott, boycotting just the youth games would have made a bigger impact. As they would have thought that no one wants to watch those games, but they want to watch the games that only involve league 1 and 2 teams. That's like a tramp knocking at your door saying he wants to live with you, but instead of slamming the door you put him in your shed to sort him out. Next thing you know he's mowing your lawn, then cooking your dinner and next marrying your daughter and inheriting your estate. It worked for me. It's nothing like that 🤣. Youth players need to play senior games, a lot of league one clubs wanted extra games for their fringe players and get paid more to have them. Attendances were always low in this tournament anyway and a lot of clubs already played weakened teams. I never want them in the league, we have a great league system. But letting them in this was totally different and suited most parties. How long have they been in it for?? I bet they would have tried to join the league again already, if they were not in it. |
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Post by gashead79 on Apr 3, 2023 22:30:21 GMT
We've had this argument loads of times before. Them being in this rubbish tournament has no bearing on them joining the league, imo it helps prevent them from joining it. They tried to join the league before, but the vote was not even close. They let them in this instead, to stop them trying again. No doubting they will try again at some stage, but at least this gives them some game time and keeps them at bay a bit longer. When they try again, clubs will only vote yes, if they pay enough compensation. So boycotting now won't make any difference. If fans were going to boycott, boycotting just the youth games would have made a bigger impact. As they would have thought that no one wants to watch those games, but they want to watch the games that only involve league 1 and 2 teams. That's like a tramp knocking at your door saying he wants to live with you, but instead of slamming the door you put him in your shed to sort him out. Next thing you know he's mowing your lawn, then cooking your dinner and next marrying your daughter and inheriting your estate. It worked for me. 😆 this is how it is and it works. Evidently. |
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Post by Qatar Gas on Apr 4, 2023 6:24:36 GMT
That's like a tramp knocking at your door saying he wants to live with you, but instead of slamming the door you put him in your shed to sort him out. Next thing you know he's mowing your lawn, then cooking your dinner and next marrying your daughter and inheriting your estate. It worked for me. It's nothing like that 🤣. Youth players need to play senior games, a lot of league one clubs wanted extra games for their fringe players and get paid more to have them. Attendances were always low in this tournament anyway and a lot of clubs already played weakened teams. I never want them in the league, we have a great league system. But letting them in this was totally different and suited most parties. How long have they been in it for?? I bet they would have tried to join the league again already, if they were not in it. A starting point would be to put a cap on how many youth players premier league teams have to stop them from stockpiling them. Then the minimum compensation needs to be increased for when a premier league teams poaches a youngster from the lower leagues. We know that wont happen though. On average, these B teams are only plying three games a season in the pizza cup. The players we currently have on loan are getting a lot more than if they were in their parent clubs B teams. Unfortunately, they can just chuck loads of money around to get the lower league cups to agree. Like they did with the pizza cup. Most lower league clubs cannot afford to turn down that sort of money. If they want B teams in the lower leagues and dangle enough cash in front of the clubs, many will accept. |
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Post by Quarters on Apr 4, 2023 6:55:34 GMT
Given a number of clubs could be relegated if these B teams joined the league then not sure how many would vote for it?
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Apr 4, 2023 7:41:28 GMT
wonder if the last few who support this sham of a competition would boycott if we ever had the embarrassment of a trophy game against the city development squad as a first team fixture. That all depends where we play them, if it's at Wembley it'll most likely be a sell out. Depends how cocky they would be in putting out a team full of their youngsters but i can’t imagine that, given the level of hatred between both teams. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Apr 4, 2023 8:21:16 GMT
It's nothing like that 🤣. Youth players need to play senior games, a lot of league one clubs wanted extra games for their fringe players and get paid more to have them. Attendances were always low in this tournament anyway and a lot of clubs already played weakened teams. I never want them in the league, we have a great league system. But letting them in this was totally different and suited most parties. How long have they been in it for?? I bet they would have tried to join the league again already, if they were not in it. A starting point would be to put a cap on how many youth players premier league teams have to stop them from stockpiling them. Then the minimum compensation needs to be increased for when a premier league teams poaches a youngster from the lower leagues. We know that wont happen though. On average, these B teams are only plying three games a season in the pizza cup. The players we currently have on loan are getting a lot more than if they were in their parent clubs B teams. Unfortunately, they can just chuck loads of money around to get the lower league cups to agree. Like they did with the pizza cup. Most lower league clubs cannot afford to turn down that sort of money. If they want B teams in the lower leagues and dangle enough cash in front of the clubs, many will accept. From our point of view, that would be better. But from a development point of view, the players go to the better academy's, with unbelievable facilities and have better coaches etc. If you were a player, or a parent of a player, where would you want them to go?? Problem is there is little incentive for us and other clubs to develope players at a young age, knowing we will receive little in compensation. They should have to pay more compensation, if they want to take a player that is already doing well at another academy. A lot of players that impress in this tournament, go out on loan after. It is a chance to prove that they can compete. We have even signed players on loan, that have played in it. We can scout players that get released etc. I don't mind then being in it and can see the benefits and that is separate to them joining the league. |
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Apr 4, 2023 13:19:26 GMT
The state that a lot of clubs are in, money talks, boycotting a minor competition doesn't - sad but true.
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Post by darkbluegas on Apr 4, 2023 14:42:04 GMT
Money always talks and eventually the teams that generate the biggest incomes for advertising and tv will have a disproportionate say in how football is run in this country.
In this case they need their young players playing so the current format is here to stay whatever we think.
Another driver is the state of the English national team. Southgate can clearly see the downward trajectory in young English players getting regular first team football. B teams in competitive football is a good starting point to overcome that. The loan system tends not to work for long term for development.
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Post by Gas-Ed on Apr 4, 2023 17:58:29 GMT
Wednesday have gone from unbeatable to shaky in the space of a couple of weeks. The race for automatics looks far from over.
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Post by Gasshole on Apr 4, 2023 18:11:24 GMT
Plymouth gone, I smell blood.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 7, 2023 14:54:18 GMT
Wobbling again!
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Post by Gashead73 on Apr 7, 2023 14:56:30 GMT
Guzz 1-0 down.....ex or existing Naval personel know what I am saying
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 7, 2023 15:18:47 GMT
Accy beating PV is bad news for Oxford.
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Post by Tilly's Thighs on Apr 7, 2023 15:51:20 GMT
Plymouth winning 1-2 now
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Post by percy on Apr 7, 2023 16:37:35 GMT
Wednesday now looking like the ones to miss out.
The 3 on 67 for the last 2 play off places is tasty. We play all 3 as well as sheff and plym. Gonna be fun with no nerves on our side!
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Apr 7, 2023 16:41:04 GMT
Shouldn’t the title be changed to ‘Sheffield’ starting to wobble?
They have collapsed almost as much as we did in 2000!
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Post by Colyton Gas on Apr 7, 2023 16:48:50 GMT
DC's Vale wobbling so think our game there soon will be at the right time for us and our display last season there was brilliant.Looking forward to travelling back to Staffs.Vale fans love Gibbons but Snakey and Ellis not setting the world on fire.They had a late red card today too.
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