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Post by aghast on Apr 20, 2023 23:09:15 GMT
I get the impression we are treading on eggshells here when asking searching questions. Not sure why I feel that, but I do. Maybe the very cautious answers from the fans' rep. Perhaps the role is still being tested by the board.
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Post by Somersetgas on Apr 20, 2023 23:18:45 GMT
I get the impression we are treading on eggshells here when asking searching questions. Not sure why I feel that, but I do. Maybe the very cautious answers from the fans' rep. Perhaps the role is still being tested by the board. Perhaps we could get some replies to questions that have been raised, or are they awaiting approval? |
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Post by bidefordgas on Apr 21, 2023 7:15:53 GMT
If I’m honest (and with total respect) I’m not sure what the Supporters Club does anymore, or what difference you make? Could you enlighten us who know little about your services/actions. Thanks in advance. Hi slam, have you gone back into your radio silence? I hope you haven’t taken my question as an attack on you or the SC, I genuinely would like to know more, and until myself and others realise what you all do how can we become involved? many thanks. Slam was at the Quarters yesterday presenting all the players with their caps. Don’t know how to post the link, but it’s on the club Twitter with photos. |
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Post by herbertblake on Apr 21, 2023 8:17:35 GMT
Hi slam, have you gone back into your radio silence? I hope you haven’t taken my question as an attack on you or the SC, I genuinely would like to know more, and until myself and others realise what you all do how can we become involved? many thanks. Slam was at the Quarters yesterday presenting all the players with their caps. Don’t know how to post the link, but it’s on the club Twitter with photos. I saw the images I did wonder who the guy in cream suit was! |
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Post by legas on Apr 21, 2023 8:28:33 GMT
Slam was at the Quarters yesterday presenting all the players with their caps. Don’t know how to post the link, but it’s on the club Twitter with photos. I saw the images I did wonder who the guy in cream suit was! Not seen a cream suit at Rovers since Twerton and a certain Mr Valle! (probably spelt that wrong) |
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Post by percy on Apr 21, 2023 8:55:10 GMT
For those that don’t twit…
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 21, 2023 14:56:16 GMT
SCdave is a well respected and prolific poster on here. He is a volunteer for the supporters club over many years , a fundraiser and true supporter of the football club. I think it’s fair to say he is very well known by many supporters unlike some executive members of the supporters club. Although it would appear the new leaders of the supporters club are trying to improve its image, I think it is fair to say that the recent shananagins by the previous regime of the supporters club has left a very nasty taste in the mouth of many fans. A tad embarrassing you admit to not knowing who scdave is he has been around for decades works on matchdays selling 50/50s programmes etc He was Social secretary organising lots if events and may not be on the Committee his choice I believe but a valued Sc member indeed. In fact Steve your biography on your official website needs something other than your name! A photo and brief biography as I as a longstanding Sc member have no idea who you are or what you look like I feel your openness may have opened old wounds on here and some posters who never ever had any interest or intention of joining your merry band may take this opportunity to wind you up. I sincerely hope your efforts to improve communication continues but why has it taken this long? The only people who would really know who SC Dave is are the people who would know the man behind the username. Have you ever sought Steve L out to introduce yourself? Just wondering. It's actually refreshing to have a SC member come on here welcoming communication and questions. The last one that came on here just wanted to cause trouble, using a pseudonym of course. This should be welcomed. If you ask nicely, he might be able to sort out a few pre-match maths lessons next to the fan zone?! |
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Post by slam on Apr 21, 2023 15:27:15 GMT
If I’m honest (and with total respect) I’m not sure what the Supporters Club does anymore, or what difference you make? Could you enlighten us who know little about your services/actions. Thanks in advance. Hi slam , have you gone back into your radio silence? I hope you haven’t taken my question as an attack on you or the SC, I genuinely would like to know more, and until myself and others realise what you all do how can we become involved? many thanks. Hi Mr Equaliser, No... I haven't relapsed back into radio silence but, at the moment, I simply don't have the time to be constantly reviewing the various threads on the forum. So I apologise for the times when I can't get straight back to you. In addition, whilst your question itself is short and concise, if I am to answer it fully this might become a lengthy response. The Supporters Club itself has a number of Objectives written into its constitution. These include: 1) To Create and develop active support and lively interest in the activities of Bristol Rovers Football Club 2) To render assistance and support to BRFC
3) To cater for the interests of Supporters Club Members
4) To administer the Supporters Club Share Scheme Agreement.
In recent years the FC has made a number of significant changes to modernise its operations. It is true to say that some of these changes have resulted in a reduction in the benefits that the Supporters Club can offer to its members. For instance I would point to the fact that the SC is no longer able to operate the "Supporters Club Bar". The FC has also taken responsibility for running the 50/50 draw (although the SC do continue to organise and provide the selling of 50/50 and program sellers on a matchday).
At the moment, the only concrete benefits of SC membership are:
1) The availability of discounted away travel, organised by the SC Committee
2) Entitlement to Category 2 Priority for the purchase of "All Ticket" matches.
3) The fact that the SC are entitled to appoint 2 Directors to the main board of the FC. Through these Directors you are able to present your own views directly to the Club. Furthermore SC Members are themselves able to apply for election to the post of Director and if any one would seriously like to consider this as an option I will happily sit down and discuss this with you.
The SC are aware of the reduction in benefits that are available and are currently working actively to provide more. The SC is also in the process of modernising itself to adapt to the new challenges. However, I might be naive in saying this but sometimes I think that the question should be reversed. Instead of asking "what benefits do I get?", you might also like to think of "what you can offer the Club?". By joining the SC you are helping to support both the SC and the FC. We need a strong SC to enable us to act on your behalf and the fortunes of the Club always improve when the Club and the Fans work together.
In spending the money that we raise:
The SC have already announced that they are working with the Club with a view to funding a project which will act to the benefit of the Supporters. We are currently in advanced negotiations to agree the nature of this project (or series of projects).
The SC are the prime sponsors of the GAS Girls
We have raised a significant donation in direct support of Nick Anderton and, to a lesser degree to the support the Marcus Stewart charity appeal.
We are always looking to identify other areas where we can directly impact on the Club and the Community.
I have probably missed a lot of stuff but I hope that this helps for the time being.
Steve Lamble
BRSC
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Post by yattongas on Apr 21, 2023 15:28:47 GMT
A tad embarrassing you admit to not knowing who scdave is he has been around for decades works on matchdays selling 50/50s programmes etc He was Social secretary organising lots if events and may not be on the Committee his choice I believe but a valued Sc member indeed. In fact Steve your biography on your official website needs something other than your name! A photo and brief biography as I as a longstanding Sc member have no idea who you are or what you look like I feel your openness may have opened old wounds on here and some posters who never ever had any interest or intention of joining your merry band may take this opportunity to wind you up. I sincerely hope your efforts to improve communication continues but why has it taken this long? The only people who would really know who SC Dave is are the people who would know the man behind the username. Have you ever sought Steve L out to introduce yourself? Just wondering. It's actually refreshing to have a SC member come on here welcoming communication and questions. The last one that came on here just wanted to cause trouble, using a pseudonym of course. This should be welcomed. If you ask nicely, he might be able to sort out a few pre-match maths lessons next to the fan zone?! Who used the pseudonym…. Was it the bloke with the double barrelled surname who was the fans director ? |
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Post by nickday on Apr 21, 2023 15:44:20 GMT
I saw the images I did wonder who the guy in cream suit was! Not seen a cream suit at Rovers since Twerton and a certain Mr Valle! (probably spelt that wrong) Correct spelling! True story: I only got the gig in 1993 because I spelt his name correctly rather than the many others who applied to ‘Mr Valley’ |
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Post by bidefordgas on Apr 21, 2023 15:48:10 GMT
Not seen a cream suit at Rovers since Twerton and a certain Mr Valle! (probably spelt that wrong) Correct spelling! True story: I only got the gig in 1993 because I spelt his name correctly rather than the many others who applied to ‘Mr Valley’ Nice to have you on here Nick. Hope you are keeping well. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 21, 2023 16:21:27 GMT
The only people who would really know who SC Dave is are the people who would know the man behind the username. Have you ever sought Steve L out to introduce yourself? Just wondering. It's actually refreshing to have a SC member come on here welcoming communication and questions. The last one that came on here just wanted to cause trouble, using a pseudonym of course. This should be welcomed. If you ask nicely, he might be able to sort out a few pre-match maths lessons next to the fan zone?! Who used the pseudonym…. Was it the bloke with the double barrelled surname who was the fans director ? No. Brian was as good as gold on here. |
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Post by The Equaliser on Apr 21, 2023 16:33:05 GMT
Hi slam , have you gone back into your radio silence? I hope you haven’t taken my question as an attack on you or the SC, I genuinely would like to know more, and until myself and others realise what you all do how can we become involved? many thanks. Hi Mr Equaliser, No... I haven't relapsed back into radio silence but, at the moment, I simply don't have the time to be constantly reviewing the various threads on the forum. So I apologise for the times when I can't get straight back to you. In addition, whilst your question itself is short and concise, if I am to answer it fully this might become a lengthy response. The Supporters Club itself has a number of Objectives written into its constitution. These include: 1) To Create and develop active support and lively interest in the activities of Bristol Rovers Football Club 2) To render assistance and support to BRFC
3) To cater for the interests of Supporters Club Members
4) To administer the Supporters Club Share Scheme Agreement.
In recent years the FC has made a number of significant changes to modernise its operations. It is true to say that some of these changes have resulted in a reduction in the benefits that the Supporters Club can offer to its members. For instance I would point to the fact that the SC is no longer able to operate the "Supporters Club Bar". The FC has also taken responsibility for running the 50/50 draw (although the SC do continue to organise and provide the selling of 50/50 and program sellers on a matchday).
At the moment, the only concrete benefits of SC membership are:
1) The availability of discounted away travel, organised by the SC Committee
2) Entitlement to Category 2 Priority for the purchase of "All Ticket" matches.
3) The fact that the SC are entitled to appoint 2 Directors to the main board of the FC. Through these Directors you are able to present your own views directly to the Club. Furthermore SC Members are themselves able to apply for election to the post of Director and if any one would seriously like to consider this as an option I will happily sit down and discuss this with you.
The SC are aware of the reduction in benefits that are available and are currently working actively to provide more. The SC is also in the process of modernising itself to adapt to the new challenges. However, I might be naive in saying this but sometimes I think that the question should be reversed. Instead of asking "what benefits do I get?", you might also like to think of "what you can offer the Club?". By joining the SC you are helping to support both the SC and the FC. We need a strong SC to enable us to act on your behalf and the fortunes of the Club always improve when the Club and the Fans work together.
In spending the money that we raise:
The SC have already announced that they are working with the Club with a view to funding a project which will act to the benefit of the Supporters. We are currently in advanced negotiations to agree the nature of this project (or series of projects).
The SC are the prime sponsors of the GAS Girls
We have raised a significant donation in direct support of Nick Anderton and, to a lesser degree to the support the Marcus Stewart charity appeal.
We are always looking to identify other areas where we can directly impact on the Club and the Community.
I have probably missed a lot of stuff but I hope that this helps for the time being.
Steve Lamble
BRSC
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Post by herbertblake on Apr 21, 2023 16:44:16 GMT
A tad embarrassing you admit to not knowing who scdave is he has been around for decades works on matchdays selling 50/50s programmes etc He was Social secretary organising lots if events and may not be on the Committee his choice I believe but a valued Sc member indeed. In fact Steve your biography on your official website needs something other than your name! A photo and brief biography as I as a longstanding Sc member have no idea who you are or what you look like I feel your openness may have opened old wounds on here and some posters who never ever had any interest or intention of joining your merry band may take this opportunity to wind you up. I sincerely hope your efforts to improve communication continues but why has it taken this long? The only people who would really know who SC Dave is are the people who would know the man behind the username. Have you ever sought Steve L out to introduce yourself? Just wondering. It's actually refreshing to have a SC member come on here welcoming communication and questions. The last one that came on here just wanted to cause trouble, using a pseudonym of course. This should be welcomed. If you ask nicely, he might be able to sort out a few pre-match maths lessons next to the fan zone?! That made me laugh...call yourself a mod more like a rocker and quite condescending I'm all at sixs and sevens now If you could put two and two together you might have a valid point but figure it out yourself. No need for me to seek out Steve when Helen W is more high profile and approachable and keeps us informed. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 21, 2023 17:12:30 GMT
The only people who would really know who SC Dave is are the people who would know the man behind the username. Have you ever sought Steve L out to introduce yourself? Just wondering. It's actually refreshing to have a SC member come on here welcoming communication and questions. The last one that came on here just wanted to cause trouble, using a pseudonym of course. This should be welcomed. If you ask nicely, he might be able to sort out a few pre-match maths lessons next to the fan zone?! That made me laugh...call yourself a mod more like a rocker and quite condescending I'm all at sixs and sevens now If you could put two and two together you might have a valid point but figure it out yourself. No need for me to seek out Steve when Helen W is more high profile and approachable and keeps us informed. More bizarre ramblings… |
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Post by Somersetgas on Apr 21, 2023 17:33:40 GMT
That made me laugh...call yourself a mod more like a rocker and quite condescending I'm all at sixs and sevens now If you could put two and two together you might have a valid point but figure it out yourself. No need for me to seek out Steve when Helen W is more high profile and approachable and keeps us informed. More bizarre ramblings… Father Ted. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 21, 2023 17:45:31 GMT
Hi slam , have you gone back into your radio silence? I hope you haven’t taken my question as an attack on you or the SC, I genuinely would like to know more, and until myself and others realise what you all do how can we become involved? many thanks. Hi Mr Equaliser, No... I haven't relapsed back into radio silence but, at the moment, I simply don't have the time to be constantly reviewing the various threads on the forum. So I apologise for the times when I can't get straight back to you. In addition, whilst your question itself is short and concise, if I am to answer it fully this might become a lengthy response. The Supporters Club itself has a number of Objectives written into its constitution. These include: 1) To Create and develop active support and lively interest in the activities of Bristol Rovers Football Club 2) To render assistance and support to BRFC
3) To cater for the interests of Supporters Club Members
4) To administer the Supporters Club Share Scheme Agreement.
In recent years the FC has made a number of significant changes to modernise its operations. It is true to say that some of these changes have resulted in a reduction in the benefits that the Supporters Club can offer to its members. For instance I would point to the fact that the SC is no longer able to operate the "Supporters Club Bar". The FC has also taken responsibility for running the 50/50 draw (although the SC do continue to organise and provide the selling of 50/50 and program sellers on a matchday).
At the moment, the only concrete benefits of SC membership are:
1) The availability of discounted away travel, organised by the SC Committee
2) Entitlement to Category 2 Priority for the purchase of "All Ticket" matches.
3) The fact that the SC are entitled to appoint 2 Directors to the main board of the FC. Through these Directors you are able to present your own views directly to the Club. Furthermore SC Members are themselves able to apply for election to the post of Director and if any one would seriously like to consider this as an option I will happily sit down and discuss this with you.
The SC are aware of the reduction in benefits that are available and are currently working actively to provide more. The SC is also in the process of modernising itself to adapt to the new challenges. However, I might be naive in saying this but sometimes I think that the question should be reversed. Instead of asking "what benefits do I get?", you might also like to think of "what you can offer the Club?". By joining the SC you are helping to support both the SC and the FC. We need a strong SC to enable us to act on your behalf and the fortunes of the Club always improve when the Club and the Fans work together.
In spending the money that we raise:
The SC have already announced that they are working with the Club with a view to funding a project which will act to the benefit of the Supporters. We are currently in advanced negotiations to agree the nature of this project (or series of projects).
The SC are the prime sponsors of the GAS Girls
We have raised a significant donation in direct support of Nick Anderton and, to a lesser degree to the support the Marcus Stewart charity appeal.
We are always looking to identify other areas where we can directly impact on the Club and the Community.
I have probably missed a lot of stuff but I hope that this helps for the time being.
Steve Lamble
BRSC
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Post by Somersetgas on Apr 21, 2023 18:59:46 GMT
Hi Mr Equaliser, No... I haven't relapsed back into radio silence but, at the moment, I simply don't have the time to be constantly reviewing the various threads on the forum. So I apologise for the times when I can't get straight back to you. In addition, whilst your question itself is short and concise, if I am to answer it fully this might become a lengthy response. The Supporters Club itself has a number of Objectives written into its constitution. These include: 1) To Create and develop active support and lively interest in the activities of Bristol Rovers Football Club 2) To render assistance and support to BRFC
3) To cater for the interests of Supporters Club Members
4) To administer the Supporters Club Share Scheme Agreement.
In recent years the FC has made a number of significant changes to modernise its operations. It is true to say that some of these changes have resulted in a reduction in the benefits that the Supporters Club can offer to its members. For instance I would point to the fact that the SC is no longer able to operate the "Supporters Club Bar". The FC has also taken responsibility for running the 50/50 draw (although the SC do continue to organise and provide the selling of 50/50 and program sellers on a matchday).
At the moment, the only concrete benefits of SC membership are:
1) The availability of discounted away travel, organised by the SC Committee
2) Entitlement to Category 2 Priority for the purchase of "All Ticket" matches.
3) The fact that the SC are entitled to appoint 2 Directors to the main board of the FC. Through these Directors you are able to present your own views directly to the Club. Furthermore SC Members are themselves able to apply for election to the post of Director and if any one would seriously like to consider this as an option I will happily sit down and discuss this with you.
The SC are aware of the reduction in benefits that are available and are currently working actively to provide more. The SC is also in the process of modernising itself to adapt to the new challenges. However, I might be naive in saying this but sometimes I think that the question should be reversed. Instead of asking "what benefits do I get?", you might also like to think of "what you can offer the Club?". By joining the SC you are helping to support both the SC and the FC. We need a strong SC to enable us to act on your behalf and the fortunes of the Club always improve when the Club and the Fans work together.
In spending the money that we raise:
The SC have already announced that they are working with the Club with a view to funding a project which will act to the benefit of the Supporters. We are currently in advanced negotiations to agree the nature of this project (or series of projects).
The SC are the prime sponsors of the GAS Girls
We have raised a significant donation in direct support of Nick Anderton and, to a lesser degree to the support the Marcus Stewart charity appeal.
We are always looking to identify other areas where we can directly impact on the Club and the Community.
I have probably missed a lot of stuff but I hope that this helps for the time being.
Steve Lamble
BRSC
Surely if you start a thread asking for questions all you need to do is check this thread rather than reviewing the other threads on the forum? Agree Topper, it’s not even like it’s a big thread, just a few questions asked, and not many responses to questions. |
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Post by scdave on Apr 22, 2023 11:23:02 GMT
I expect SLAM may know me by sight rather than by moniker but there has not been much opportunity for me to introduce myself.
I left the committee due to work and family commitment before the relegation to the Conference season and since then I think I have only been to one AGM (DCs last) and a couple of other SC events.
I did intend to carry on with the kids tombola at the annual Fun Days, but due to the fall out in relations, I was told that no SC activities were allowed in the clubhouse and they all had to be done outside in the car park.
With the British weather having the tombola outside did not seem very sensible and it takes a long time to organize and obtain the 500 or so prizes, so the decision to stop running it was made for me. Coincidentally, it was originally a FC run thing but commercial manager Ralph Ellis made such a loss, it was passed to the SC to run.
The only SC related thing I do now is on a match day. Due to work and family etc, I get to the Stadium between 1 and 1.45, go to the match day shop, say a quick hello to Jamie and Janet in the shop, collect the programmes and 50/50s and then go to my selling pitch. As everyone is busy and in a rush there is not really time to introduce myself to Steve.
Due to the stragglers, I usually finish selling about 5 past 3 and often see Helen when we are putting 50/50 tickets in the tombola drum and taking it in turns to shuffle the tickets, so the other SC rep knows me.
Re my moniker, I just chose something, as I filled in the joining details and Stapleton Gas had already been taken! At the time I was the only Dave at the SC so it kinda fitted.
As only a volunteer I can't really comment on the questions raised.
I must admit the AofA, companies house, policy and procedure etc side of things never appealled to me.
I do agree that there should be a SC player of the year event, together with more social events and more inter action with the players. I cannot see how an SC PotY in the clubhouse could fail to be profitable.
As posted by others, it will help to build a better rapport and give ordinary fans who don't have a large amount of money in these difficult times to actually meet the players and other club officials face to face.
During my time on the committee, I had to help organise the PotY events with Graydon, Atkins and McGhee - now that was difficult to sell! The PotYs with Ollie, DC and Trolls etc on the other hand were easy sell outs.
I think the days of Ollie and Jocky etc being the last to leave a social event are gone, (and as he was so plastered he won't remember, but Stewey, if you do, don't worry - what goes on at a PotY do, stays at a PotY do!) but the things like Tillo seemingly signing hundreds of kids autographs, having a laugh with Curo and Rickie Lambert having lots of pictures with fans in a formal relaxed atmosphere can be reintroduced and would be successful.
When I joined the SC as member as a teenager, we were playing at Twerton, the crowds at games were very low, but the operative word in BRSC for me was "club".
Me and my mates attended social events, met the players, made new friends, girlfriends, met former playing legends, travelled on the coaches and generally had a lot of laughs while also raising vital monies to keep the FC alive.
To be fair we also witnessed a lot of right hammerings at away games, so it was tough to watch at times, but there was a certain commaradarie. On the forum it is often referred to as the Twerton Spirit and it was very much a thing and I think it would not have been the same if it was just a case of just going to matches, watching aloof journeymen players who just saw BRFC as employers, rather than those players who genuinely cared.
When the ShareScheme started there was a similar feel and again towards the end of last season.
Hopefuly the good work by Dave T et al can be built on.
When I joined as a member there was a BRSC Sunday team playing in the local leagues, a Skittles team and a SC team made up of fans used to travel to play other teams supporters at a local pitch before the first teams played.
There were also the SC organized trips to Blackpool, Isle of Wight, (I didn't go but Beepers Farm Barmy Army was a regular chant at away games afterwards), the Lake District v Carlisle, visits to tours of Wembley before a midweek London game and SC coaches to watch England play. All these played a part in making the Gas different to everyone else.
Maybe a lot of these things were of it's time, but personally I would like to see similar things happen again in the future. In the 60s it was Dinner and Dances and whist drives, so all these things evolve.
When I was on the committee we had a meeting with Lincoln City fans interested in running a co-operative club. There were government officials, university lecturers and FSA reps and they said they have a dream that all SCs throughout the country should have fans reps and actively involved in FC decisions. (Forerunners of what we are seeing now). They listed all the things that they wanted SCs to become and I think they were all genuinely a bit shocked when Jane Browne and Steve Burns just turned round and said we already do all that!
A lot of posters have said we were too close to the Board and were not a true voice for fans and even puppets. Believe me Jane may have been one of the nicest people you would ever meet, but she did not suffer fools and she lambasted Geoff, Ron and Barry time and time again!
Obviously a lot of the stuff is confidential and can never be disclosed. If I ever wrote a book, no one would believe it was true, as it would definitely seem like a work of fiction! Ragbag Rovers isn't the half of it.
We definitely need more volunteers even if was just an hour in the fanzone. Having a pint, selling 50/50s, chatting about the Gas and having a bit of banter, while helping to raise more money. What's not to like!
If I hear of anything that may of interest I'll continue to mention it on here as and when.
Ps please join the Spend and Win club Cashback. I badgered Tom and Dave Bright saying what a simple idea it is to bring extra income to the club and several seasons later, it's here. You can earn the FC extra money by buying anything from holidays to paint, clothes to pints.
There is definitely something for everyone and the good thing is, you don't have to spend a penny more than you would have done anyway
Mods can you add links please.
Sorry my response has turned into War and Peace!
Finally I know some of the abuse David Brain got. We are all Gas and we all have our own lives away from match days. Sometimes the SC reps honestly cannot answer the queries due to confidentiality.
After the fall out, Steve, Helen and Dave T have to earn trust from Wael, Tom and Joey and they may have to refer what seems simple questions, so answers may take a while.
It's definitely a poisoned chalice and I don't envy them.
UTG
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Post by mftc on Apr 22, 2023 14:03:27 GMT
Blimey that's a lot to read!
You won't have to write a book, you've already done it.
Yeah agree that Dave Thomas and the committee and volunteers should be given time to prove they are worthy of Wael, Tom and Joeys trust, but from the volunteering side of things, you guys and gals do a great job.
The Trumpton Times were great. I thought the club would die, but the Blue Few really had a tremendous spirit and got through a lot of adversity.Shows what can happen when everyone pulls together.
Probably too late for this season, but hopefully SLAM and Helen can produce a business case to Tom that there is a real demand for a SC end of season party and it would be both profitable and fun and cheap enough for ordinary fans and families to attend.
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