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Post by dudelebowski on Apr 23, 2023 13:17:59 GMT
Plenty of “I bet/I assume/I reckon” floating about😄
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Wael
Apr 23, 2023 13:42:18 GMT
Post by yattongas on Apr 23, 2023 13:42:18 GMT
I’m sure he knows a lot more about business than you and I Topper. You could argue he is ruthless because he ditched the UWE deal as he didn’t get the deal he wanted…. Despite knowing it would be devastating to Gasheads at the time . As he explained clearly in his interview, that he sees the Gas as a love and an investment. By improving the infrastructure and climbing the leagues losses will hopefully fall and we may even post profits in the future . If he bought the Gas for ( total guess) £5m , he’s spends 100m to get the Club into the championship in a new stadium….. how much is the club worth then ? I’d argue a lot more than £105m . I assume that was also Lansdown's plan but he's down over £100m(?) and seems to be now looking to bail out. How much did he buy the Sh1te for and how much are they valued at now ? He could make a profit for all you know.
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Apr 23, 2023 14:28:45 GMT
Post by gas2 on Apr 23, 2023 14:28:45 GMT
No one has mentioned he said about outside inverters but they weren't up to his standard of commitment ?
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Post by wertongas on Apr 23, 2023 17:19:03 GMT
What does it matter if he's paying it off? Nothing we discuss on Gaschat really matters but Wael did suggest he sees Rovers as an investment so must be looking to eventually get his money back, I can't see a business man just being content to write off to £4m p.a. on a foreign football club without some end in sight. There are about 30 foriegn investors of football teams in this country and one of their aims is to improve their lot by investing and growing the football club they own. Most like Wael have parent companies registered in tax havens. Dwayne Sports were registered at the offices of a company based in the esplanade St Helier Jersey, the offices are opposite the new bus station in the town. Building a new stadium and getting the club into the Championship will massively improve the value of the club. If Wael ever wanted to sell the club or pass it down the family he will want to pass on or sell a club worth allot more than when he purchased it. If you are investing big money in a club you have to be a big supporter of it.
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Apr 23, 2023 17:36:24 GMT
Post by Topper Gas on Apr 23, 2023 17:36:24 GMT
Nothing we discuss on Gaschat really matters but Wael did suggest he sees Rovers as an investment so must be looking to eventually get his money back, I can't see a business man just being content to write off to £4m p.a. on a foreign football club without some end in sight. There are about 30 foriegn investors of football teams in this country and one of their aims is to improve their lot by investing and growing the football club they own. Most like Wael have parent companies registered in tax havens. Dwayne Sports were registered at the offices of a company based in the esplanade St Helier Jersey, the offices are opposite the new bus station in the town. Building a new stadium and getting the club into the Championship will massively improve the value of the club. If Wael ever wanted to sell the club or pass it down the family he will want to pass on or sell a club worth allot more than when he purchased it. If you are investing big money in a club you have to be a big supporter of it. How much extra will that cost Wael?
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Apr 23, 2023 17:51:57 GMT
Post by wertongas on Apr 23, 2023 17:51:57 GMT
There are about 30 foriegn investors of football teams in this country and one of their aims is to improve their lot by investing and growing the football club they own. Most like Wael have parent companies registered in tax havens. Dwayne Sports were registered at the offices of a company based in the esplanade St Helier Jersey, the offices are opposite the new bus station in the town. Building a new stadium and getting the club into the Championship will massively improve the value of the club. If Wael ever wanted to sell the club or pass it down the family he will want to pass on or sell a club worth allot more than when he purchased it. If you are investing big money in a club you have to be a big supporter of it. How much extra will that cost Wael? Don't Know Topper, I suppose that is why in the past he has said he is looking for outside investors.
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Apr 23, 2023 19:04:04 GMT
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 23, 2023 19:04:04 GMT
How much extra will that cost Wael? Don't Know Topper, I suppose that is why in the past he has said he is looking for outside investors. Has he? I thought that was a forum fact, mostly pedalled by the gasheads.org cronies. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that in print as fact. What I have heard him say is what he said to GT a few times before that if there was an investment opportunity which pushed the club on quicker than what he could do then he would sell either the club or a shareholding.
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 23, 2023 19:14:16 GMT
I bet TG/JB are coming up with similar nonsense to justify wasting £3m/£4m of Wael's money each season, there's no way Wael's ever getting any of that back unless he ever sells the Mem to cover his losses. I’d imagine he is beyond the point of getting what he has put in, back. Our losses got significantly higher after the family bought the club At this level at the Mem then I would say it’s a bad loss. He would struggle to get £10m for us. Our losses are higher because he’s choosing to spend more on us making us a more professional outfit on and off the pitch. However, get a new stadium, carry on the quarters developments and get us into the championship then I would say he’s looking at a profit and we would be worth around £125m as we would be oven ready for a promotion push to the promised land. Now I’m not saying for one minute that’s what’s going to happen, but it’s a possibility if you look at the evidence of Brighton, Swansea and Cardiff. Put it this way, in terms of value, Derby County cost the new owners £40m with an additional £45m to be settled to creditors and the taxman and that was with Mel Morris agreeing to wipe out his £120m debt. That’s with them relegated to L1 with no football management and a half a first team. A championship club these days is big money with all the right pieces of the jigsaw in place doesn’t come cheap.
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 23, 2023 20:53:58 GMT
Coventry City have just sold for around £65m they are in a similar position to what Rovers would be if they ever reached the Championship at the FM, in that they would be leasing the ground.
I guess you could argue Coventry have more of a history of recent success being ex Premiership etc so could be worth more.
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Post by eric on Apr 23, 2023 21:12:00 GMT
Coventry City have just sold for around £65m they are in a similar position to what Rovers would be if they ever reached the Championship at the FM, in that they would be leasing the ground. I guess you could argue Coventry have more of a history of recent success being ex Premiership etc so could be worth more. Don’t Coventry City rent their stadium and therefore have no long term security? Surely totally different to us if the FM was on a very long leasehold arrangement?
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Post by legas on Apr 23, 2023 21:27:58 GMT
Plenty of “I bet/I assume/I reckon” floating about😄 A new name for this forum perhaps?
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Wael
Apr 23, 2023 21:38:22 GMT
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Post by Gassy on Apr 23, 2023 21:38:22 GMT
Don't Know Topper, I suppose that is why in the past he has said he is looking for outside investors. Has he? I thought that was a forum fact, mostly pedalled by the gasheads.org cronies. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that in print as fact. What I have heard him say is what he said to GT a few times before that if there was an investment opportunity which pushed the club on quicker than what he could do then he would sell either the club or a shareholding. Not always the greatest reference but I do remember Hamer saying something along the lines of ‘funding is in place, but you wouldn’t expect a single person to completely finance a stadium by themselves’
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 23, 2023 21:57:16 GMT
Coventry City have just sold for around £65m they are in a similar position to what Rovers would be if they ever reached the Championship at the FM, in that they would be leasing the ground. I guess you could argue Coventry have more of a history of recent success being ex Premiership etc so could be worth more. Don’t Coventry City rent their stadium and therefore have no long term security? Surely totally different to us if the FM was on a very long leasehold arrangement? Coventry now have a 4 year lease no idea how long our lease will be until a deal's ever agreed for the FM.
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Apr 23, 2023 22:01:30 GMT
Post by yattongas on Apr 23, 2023 22:01:30 GMT
Don’t Coventry City rent their stadium and therefore have no long term security? Surely totally different to us if the FM was on a very long leasehold arrangement? Coventry now have a 4 year lease no idea how long our lease will be until a deal's ever agreed for the FM. As Wael said in his interview….. over 100 yrs goes down as an asset on the balance sheet , so I think that’s the least he’s expecting.
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Apr 24, 2023 0:16:50 GMT
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 24, 2023 0:16:50 GMT
Coventry City have just sold for around £65m they are in a similar position to what Rovers would be if they ever reached the Championship at the FM, in that they would be leasing the ground. I guess you could argue Coventry have more of a history of recent success being ex Premiership etc so could be worth more. Funny you mention Coventry Tops as I take in a few games of theirs every year as the FIL is a sky blues fan. Coventry would’ve been worth a whole bunch more if they had more than 3 remaining seasons on their lease to put on their balance sheet. If they had a 99 year lease on the Arena then they would have sold for around £150m because as you say, they have a richer pedigree than Derby. But as it stands, the owners may have to spend £50m building a new ground should no new agreement be reached for a longer lease on the stadium or purchasing back.
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Apr 24, 2023 1:40:01 GMT
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Post by singupgas on Apr 24, 2023 1:40:01 GMT
For me if Wael/Conygar do deliver a new ground, for it to make sense as am investment for everyone. For me it obviously needs to be bigger and better than Trashton.
We need to be able to play football there (obviously), but ground need to be able hold concerts. If the ground is small and a bit ordinary wouldn't other events still be held at Trashcan.
Wael and Conygar surely must realise that this ground can't just be something basic if they want to maximise return. If they deliver something like the MK Don stadium they would have cracked it.
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Apr 24, 2023 7:06:37 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2023 7:06:37 GMT
Coventry City have just sold for around £65m they are in a similar position to what Rovers would be if they ever reached the Championship at the FM, in that they would be leasing the ground. I guess you could argue Coventry have more of a history of recent success being ex Premiership etc so could be worth more. Funny you mention Coventry Tops as I take in a few games of theirs every year as the FIL is a sky blues fan. Coventry would’ve been worth a whole bunch more if they had more than 3 remaining seasons on their lease to put on their balance sheet. If they had a 99 year lease on the Arena then they would have sold for around £150m because as you say, they have a richer pedigree than Derby. But as it stands, the owners may have to spend £50m building a new ground should no new agreement be reached for a longer lease on the stadium or purchasing back. Two premier league clubs sold for around 100 million this year. Where are you getting these numbers from?
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Post by eric on Apr 24, 2023 8:17:26 GMT
Don’t Coventry City rent their stadium and therefore have no long term security? Surely totally different to us if the FM was on a very long leasehold arrangement? Coventry now have a 4 year lease no idea how long our lease will be until a deal's ever agreed for the FM. Nobody yet knows how long the lease would be on the FM (provided we get there of course🤞) but I’m 99.99% sure Wael will not be handing over the keys of the Mem to Conygar if the lease was anything remotely close to the short term deal Coventry have. A 100 year lease would be the minimum I’d have thought. I think people need to get their heads around the differences between a long term lease and simply renting a stadium. I guess the easiest way is to think of it as buying a flat with a 100+ lease versus renting a flat which has no long term security.
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Apr 24, 2023 9:06:50 GMT
Post by gassince1957 on Apr 24, 2023 9:06:50 GMT
For me if Wael/Conygar do deliver a new ground, for it to make sense as am investment for everyone. For me it obviously needs to be bigger and better than Trashton. We need to be able to play football there (obviously), but ground need to be able hold concerts. If the ground is small and a bit ordinary wouldn't other events still be held at Trashcan. Wael and Conygar surely must realise that this ground can't just be something basic if they want to maximise return. If they deliver something like the MK Don stadium they would have cracked it. Surely once the new arena is built big names will perform there rather than Trashton or the FM. I think Wael mention 17k to 20k initial capacity, so not bigger than Trashton.
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Apr 24, 2023 9:18:08 GMT
Post by yattongas on Apr 24, 2023 9:18:08 GMT
For me if Wael/Conygar do deliver a new ground, for it to make sense as am investment for everyone. For me it obviously needs to be bigger and better than Trashton. We need to be able to play football there (obviously), but ground need to be able hold concerts. If the ground is small and a bit ordinary wouldn't other events still be held at Trashcan. Wael and Conygar surely must realise that this ground can't just be something basic if they want to maximise return. If they deliver something like the MK Don stadium they would have cracked it. Surely once the new arena is built big names will perform there rather than Trashton or the FM. I think Wael mention 17k to 20k initial capacity, so not bigger than Trashton. Wasn’t it Bristol live / Evening post than said it would 17-20k capacity rather than Wael himself ?
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