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Apr 24, 2023 10:03:23 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 24, 2023 10:03:23 GMT
Surely once the new arena is built big names will perform there rather than Trashton or the FM. I think Wael mention 17k to 20k initial capacity, so not bigger than Trashton. Wasn’t it Bristol live / Evening post than said it would 17-20k capacity rather than Wael himself ? It was, "Should negotiations with Rovers prove successful, Bristol Live understands there is a provision for a stadium with an initial capacity in the region of 17,000-20,000 with options to expand." The phrase "understands" tends to suggest a degree of contact with one of the parties, not so confident with the Post, though! Personally, and as much as I'd love a Stadium:MK type ground, 20,000 is the sweet spot capacity wise, with contingency to expand reasonably easily. |
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Apr 24, 2023 10:09:15 GMT
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Post by percy on Apr 24, 2023 10:09:15 GMT
Wasn’t it Bristol live / Evening post than said it would 17-20k capacity rather than Wael himself ? It was, "Should negotiations with Rovers prove successful, Bristol Live understands there is a provision for a stadium with an initial capacity in the region of 17,000-20,000 with options to expand." The phrase "understands" tends to suggest a degree of contact with one of the parties, not so confident with the Post, though! Personally, and as much as I'd love a Stadium:MK type ground, 20,000 is the sweet spot capacity wise, with contingency to expand reasonably easily. Agreed. 20k with simple expansion when required would be perfect. Maybe 22k so we don’t just fall below the 20 mark! |
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Apr 24, 2023 10:25:09 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 24, 2023 10:25:09 GMT
It was, "Should negotiations with Rovers prove successful, Bristol Live understands there is a provision for a stadium with an initial capacity in the region of 17,000-20,000 with options to expand." The phrase "understands" tends to suggest a degree of contact with one of the parties, not so confident with the Post, though! Personally, and as much as I'd love a Stadium:MK type ground, 20,000 is the sweet spot capacity wise, with contingency to expand reasonably easily. Agreed. 20k with simple expansion when required would be perfect. Maybe 22k so we don’t just fall below the 20 mark! UWE upon Avon. 😃 |
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Apr 24, 2023 10:26:58 GMT
Post by yattongas on Apr 24, 2023 10:26:58 GMT
Wasn’t it Bristol live / Evening post than said it would 17-20k capacity rather than Wael himself ? It was, "Should negotiations with Rovers prove successful, Bristol Live understands there is a provision for a stadium with an initial capacity in the region of 17,000-20,000 with options to expand." The phrase "understands" tends to suggest a degree of contact with one of the parties, not so confident with the Post, though! Personally, and as much as I'd love a Stadium:MK type ground, 20,000 is the sweet spot capacity wise, with contingency to expand reasonably easily. Just how easy would it be to ‘reasonably expand’ the stadium ? If roofs are over the existing stands surely it’s not an easy thing to do ( in the middle of a city centre as well ) and I’d imagine it would be quite/very costly rather than doing it the first time ? Obvs I don’t expect you to answer this Stu 😂, just thinking to myself. MK Dons just left the top tier unfinished/fitted out but the infrastructure is there in case they ever need it ( they won’t 😂 ! ) |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 24, 2023 10:36:22 GMT
It was, "Should negotiations with Rovers prove successful, Bristol Live understands there is a provision for a stadium with an initial capacity in the region of 17,000-20,000 with options to expand." The phrase "understands" tends to suggest a degree of contact with one of the parties, not so confident with the Post, though! Personally, and as much as I'd love a Stadium:MK type ground, 20,000 is the sweet spot capacity wise, with contingency to expand reasonably easily. Just how easy would it be to ‘reasonably expand’ the stadium ? If roofs are over the existing stands surely it’s not an easy thing to do ( in the middle of a city centre as well ) and I’d imagine it would be quite/very costly rather than doing it the first time ? Obvs I don’t expect you to answer this Stu 😂, just thinking to myself. MK Dons just left the top tier unfinished/fitted out but the infrastructure is there in case they ever need it ( they won’t 😂 ! ) From memory, UWE was 21,000+ with scope to add by filling in some unused space taking capacity to 26,000 with little structural change. It could increase to 35,000 with major renovation. I guess it will be along those lines with space to add, perhaps a lower capacity for planning approval? Not sure that's really necessary for the FM (unlike the old Carsons Road plan when we reduced capacity from 12,000 to 11,000 or a Mem regeneration with capacity staying c12,000). It would make more sense to build into the design something like that, otherwise it'll mean starting again. All hypothetical of course. |
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Apr 24, 2023 10:57:23 GMT
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Post by playtowin on Apr 24, 2023 10:57:23 GMT
Just how easy would it be to ‘reasonably expand’ the stadium ? If roofs are over the existing stands surely it’s not an easy thing to do ( in the middle of a city centre as well ) and I’d imagine it would be quite/very costly rather than doing it the first time ? Obvs I don’t expect you to answer this Stu 😂, just thinking to myself. MK Dons just left the top tier unfinished/fitted out but the infrastructure is there in case they ever need it ( they won’t 😂 ! ) From memory, UWE was 21,000+ with scope to add by filling in some unused space taking capacity to 26,000 with little structural change. It could increase to 35,000 with major renovation. I guess it will be along those lines with space to add, perhaps a lower capacity for planning approval? Not sure that's really necessary for the FM (unlike the old Carsons Road plan when we reduced capacity from 12,000 to 11,000 or a Mem regeneration with capacity staying c12,000). It would make more sense to build into the design something like that, otherwise it'll mean starting again. All hypothetical of course. I may be wrong but i think the London stadium WHUtd. Was built on the permanent framework for a 25,000 athletics stadium. All the extra capacity for the olympics was temporary structure. So maybe we will still have tent roofs as they will be easy to take down.... |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 24, 2023 11:43:26 GMT
Coventry now have a 4 year lease no idea how long our lease will be until a deal's ever agreed for the FM. Nobody yet knows how long the lease would be on the FM (provided we get there of course🤞) but I’m 99.99% sure Wael will not be handing over the keys of the Mem to Conygar if the lease was anything remotely close to the short term deal Coventry have. A 100 year lease would be the minimum I’d have thought. I think people need to get their heads around the differences between a long term lease and simply renting a stadium. I guess the easiest way is to think of it as buying a flat with a 100+ lease versus renting a flat which has no long term security. Leaseholds on flats cost a tiny sum p.a., the issue with leasing anything is whilst the lease payments maybe affordable on day 1 are they still going to be affordable on day 1,000, 10,000 etc. Given we lost Eastville as we couldn't afford the rental I'm surprised any Gashead feels leasing another ground is a good move. |
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Apr 24, 2023 12:49:14 GMT
Post by yattongas on Apr 24, 2023 12:49:14 GMT
Nobody yet knows how long the lease would be on the FM (provided we get there of course🤞) but I’m 99.99% sure Wael will not be handing over the keys of the Mem to Conygar if the lease was anything remotely close to the short term deal Coventry have. A 100 year lease would be the minimum I’d have thought. I think people need to get their heads around the differences between a long term lease and simply renting a stadium. I guess the easiest way is to think of it as buying a flat with a 100+ lease versus renting a flat which has no long term security. Leaseholds on flats cost a tiny sum p.a., the issue with leasing anything is whilst the lease payments maybe affordable on day 1 are they still going to be affordable on day 1,000, 10,000 etc. Given we lost Eastville as we couldn't afford the rental I'm surprised any Gashead feels leasing another ground is a good move. If the lease is over 100 yrs it’s not really a problem is it ? By then we’d probably need a new ground anyway as it’ll be so dated ! |
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Post by aghast on Apr 24, 2023 13:10:57 GMT
It was, "Should negotiations with Rovers prove successful, Bristol Live understands there is a provision for a stadium with an initial capacity in the region of 17,000-20,000 with options to expand." The phrase "understands" tends to suggest a degree of contact with one of the parties, not so confident with the Post, though! Personally, and as much as I'd love a Stadium:MK type ground, 20,000 is the sweet spot capacity wise, with contingency to expand reasonably easily. Just how easy would it be to ‘reasonably expand’ the stadium ? If roofs are over the existing stands surely it’s not an easy thing to do ( in the middle of a city centre as well ) and I’d imagine it would be quite/very costly rather than doing it the first time ? Obvs I don’t expect you to answer this Stu 😂, just thinking to myself. MK Dons just left the top tier unfinished/fitted out but the infrastructure is there in case they ever need it ( they won’t 😂 ! ) Brighton increased capacity at the Amex from 22,000 to 32,000 today by adding additional tiers over the original seating, without altering the rooflines. Don't know how much all that cost though. |
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Apr 24, 2023 13:18:54 GMT
Post by yattongas on Apr 24, 2023 13:18:54 GMT
Just how easy would it be to ‘reasonably expand’ the stadium ? If roofs are over the existing stands surely it’s not an easy thing to do ( in the middle of a city centre as well ) and I’d imagine it would be quite/very costly rather than doing it the first time ? Obvs I don’t expect you to answer this Stu 😂, just thinking to myself. MK Dons just left the top tier unfinished/fitted out but the infrastructure is there in case they ever need it ( they won’t 😂 ! ) Brighton increased capacity at the Amex from 22,000 to 32,000 today by adding additional tiers over the original seating, without altering the rooflines. Don't know how much all that cost though. Oh right , I didn’t realise that’s how they ( Brighton) did it . |
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Apr 24, 2023 14:12:16 GMT
Post by eric on Apr 24, 2023 14:12:16 GMT
Nobody yet knows how long the lease would be on the FM (provided we get there of course🤞) but I’m 99.99% sure Wael will not be handing over the keys of the Mem to Conygar if the lease was anything remotely close to the short term deal Coventry have. A 100 year lease would be the minimum I’d have thought. I think people need to get their heads around the differences between a long term lease and simply renting a stadium. I guess the easiest way is to think of it as buying a flat with a 100+ lease versus renting a flat which has no long term security. Leaseholds on flats cost a tiny sum p.a., the issue with leasing anything is whilst the lease payments maybe affordable on day 1 are they still going to be affordable on day 1,000, 10,000 etc. Given we lost Eastville as we couldn't afford the rental I'm surprised any Gashead feels leasing another ground is a good move. Don’t get me wrong I’d take outright freehold ownership over leasehold any day but the impact of ‘dropping down’ to leasehold will be minimal for several generations. Wael is hardly going to give up the freehold of the Mem and enter a leasehold agreement where annual charges would put the club at risk of being economically unviable. The length of the lease and any charges will be agreed well in advance. Getting back to your argument about us potentially being in no better a position than Coventry we would (subject to a long lease) still be in a miles better position and hold a greater value than Coventry who are always within a few years of being homeless due to only having a short term stadium rental in place. |
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Apr 24, 2023 14:25:41 GMT
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Post by singupgas on Apr 24, 2023 14:25:41 GMT
For me if Wael/Conygar do deliver a new ground, for it to make sense as am investment for everyone. For me it obviously needs to be bigger and better than Trashton. We need to be able to play football there (obviously), but ground need to be able hold concerts. If the ground is small and a bit ordinary wouldn't other events still be held at Trashcan. Wael and Conygar surely must realise that this ground can't just be something basic if they want to maximise return. If they deliver something like the MK Don stadium they would have cracked it. Surely once the new arena is built big names will perform there rather than Trashton or the FM. I think Wael mention 17k to 20k initial capacity, so not bigger than Trashton. Isn't the Arena on hold already. As someone else said I think that was the EP. I just think if the club want to build a stadium that makes as much revenue as possible, it needs to at least be on a par if not better than trashton. |
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Post by gas2 on Apr 24, 2023 15:22:13 GMT
Build apartments in the 4 corners like orient ?
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Apr 24, 2023 15:26:37 GMT
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Post by badengas on Apr 24, 2023 15:26:37 GMT
Build apartments in the 4 corners like orient ? Sign me up for one with a pitch view please. |
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Post by keygas on Apr 24, 2023 15:40:15 GMT
Nobody yet knows how long the lease would be on the FM (provided we get there of course🤞) but I’m 99.99% sure Wael will not be handing over the keys of the Mem to Conygar if the lease was anything remotely close to the short term deal Coventry have. A 100 year lease would be the minimum I’d have thought. I think people need to get their heads around the differences between a long term lease and simply renting a stadium. I guess the easiest way is to think of it as buying a flat with a 100+ lease versus renting a flat which has no long term security. Leaseholds on flats cost a tiny sum p.a., the issue with leasing anything is whilst the lease payments maybe affordable on day 1 are they still going to be affordable on day 1,000, 10,000 etc. Given we lost Eastville as we couldn't afford the rental I'm surprised any Gashead feels leasing another ground is a good move. This is a article from a while back mentioning how the deal for the FM could be structured. Conygar went public with its intention to purchase the site in December. Bristol Live understands that should the deal go through, Rovers will be invited to be a partner in the project with the developer. No commitments have been made by the club in advance, but should they join the project and a stadium be built, Rovers would sign a long-term lease with a minimal yearly financial obligation. In return, it is understood the Memorial Stadium in Horfield would be transferred to Conygar for housing |
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Apr 24, 2023 17:07:02 GMT
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Post by The Equaliser on Apr 24, 2023 17:07:02 GMT
Nobody yet knows how long the lease would be on the FM (provided we get there of course🤞) but I’m 99.99% sure Wael will not be handing over the keys of the Mem to Conygar if the lease was anything remotely close to the short term deal Coventry have. A 100 year lease would be the minimum I’d have thought. I think people need to get their heads around the differences between a long term lease and simply renting a stadium. I guess the easiest way is to think of it as buying a flat with a 100+ lease versus renting a flat which has no long term security. Leaseholds on flats cost a tiny sum p.a., the issue with leasing anything is whilst the lease payments maybe affordable on day 1 are they still going to be affordable on day 1,000, 10,000 etc. Given we lost Eastville as we couldn't afford the rental I'm surprised any Gashead feels leasing another ground is a good move. Leaseholds tend to be peppercorn and fixed for the duration, many 999 years in length 👍🏾 |
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Apr 24, 2023 17:17:38 GMT
Post by gas2 on Apr 24, 2023 17:17:38 GMT
Is it this week we get news about the temp stand ?
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Apr 24, 2023 17:20:05 GMT
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Post by yattongas on Apr 24, 2023 17:20:05 GMT
Is it this week we get news about the temp stand ? Supposedly |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 24, 2023 17:22:51 GMT
Leaseholds on flats cost a tiny sum p.a., the issue with leasing anything is whilst the lease payments maybe affordable on day 1 are they still going to be affordable on day 1,000, 10,000 etc. Given we lost Eastville as we couldn't afford the rental I'm surprised any Gashead feels leasing another ground is a good move. This is a article from a while back mentioning how the deal for the FM could be structured. Conygar went public with its intention to purchase the site in December. Bristol Live understands that should the deal go through, Rovers will be invited to be a partner in the project with the developer. No commitments have been made by the club in advance, but should they join the project and a stadium be built, Rovers would sign a long-term lease with a minimal yearly financial obligation. In return, it is understood the Memorial Stadium in Horfield would be transferred to Conygar for housing I can't see how the figures stack up unless Rovers pay a decent annual rent, the FM land must be at least comparable in price possibly far more as I doubt anybody could build blocks of flats/shops etc at the Mem whereas they could at the FM, regardless even if we did a simple land swap, how will the stadium build itself be funded? As far as Coventry surely their problems started when they couldn't afford the lease/rent at the Ricoh not the length of the lease? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 24, 2023 17:24:14 GMT
Is it this week we get news about the temp stand ? Thought it was meant to be last week? |
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