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Post by aghast on Apr 25, 2023 22:34:47 GMT
I think we are already doing that. On what we can afford, with less than half the revenue, mid table is an achievement. They can simply just buy better players so pro rata we are doing similarly. For us to follow their example isn’t possible because we need an extra million quid or more per year and another 8000 fans at games to help influence. We can’t. So with what we have we are doing as well as they are. I just can’t see how we can ever emulate them in current context. It’s pretty depressing a poxy town like Plymouth are so far ahead. Being a one club city helps I guess. Plus pulling in a lot of people from the county. 30 years ago and before championship was a place we went to occasionally and the top flight was the dream. Seems now league 1 is a place we get to occasionally and the championship is a dream. After all the crap we’ve been though, homelessness, surviving, the conference, you’d think fate would favour us once but as usual it’s teams who shat a golden egg and managed to get stadiums as per usual bullying their way to the best players and despite our comparable fan base we have to eat it up. Things can change, I guess but I’m just mainly objecting to the idea a club with among the best facilities in the division have some kind of glorious spot as a rags to riches story when by numbers they should be top six anyway You only have to look at the league table to see money & ground capacity really is telling . All the big clubs in the top 6 with Portsmouth just outside along with Peterborough who seems to buck the trend . We’ll have a massive struggle to mount a serious promotion push with what we’ve got . Very true. The L1 table looks more like a list of the biggest clubs more than the best. Perhaps the same thing. Money is talking here, which is why L1 is a really strong league this season, with any of the top 8 able to compete in the Championship. So maybe we haven't done too badly for a first season back. I just wish Barton would shut up and stop blaming everyone else. It makes me cringe. |
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Post by olskooltoteender on Apr 25, 2023 23:35:21 GMT
I thought the post-match interview with Barton on Radio Bristol was quite good - he didn’t slate Evans, other than to say he was disappointed with the red card. Said he didn’t think the Collins incident was a penalty. Also took responsibility for making the wrong subs at half-time, didn’t seem to blame anyone else.
Sure a few people won’t like that . . .
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Post by oldie on Apr 26, 2023 5:32:12 GMT
I thought the post-match interview with Barton on Radio Bristol was quite good - he didn’t slate Evans, other than to say he was disappointed with the red card. Said he didn’t think the Collins incident was a penalty. Also took responsibility for making the wrong subs at half-time, didn’t seem to blame anyone else. Sure a few people won’t like that . . . Does that qualify as a successful night? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 26, 2023 5:51:50 GMT
You only have to look at the league table to see money & ground capacity really is telling . All the big clubs in the top 6 with Portsmouth just outside along with Peterborough who seems to buck the trend . We’ll have a massive struggle to mount a serious promotion push with what we’ve got . Very true. The L1 table looks more like a list of the biggest clubs more than the best. Perhaps the same thing. Money is talking here, which is why L1 is a really strong league this season, with any of the top 8 able to compete in the Championship. So maybe we haven't done too badly for a first season back. I just wish Barton would shut up and stop blaming everyone else. It makes me cringe. Money has talked in L1 for years, only Shrewsbury and Wycombe have really broken their hold in recent years. Perhaps if we can get the ground capacity up to 12K we can become the biggest club of the chasing pack. Although we really need to establish ourselves in L1 next season for starters. |
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Post by pucklegas on Apr 26, 2023 6:01:33 GMT
Jb post match interview saying needs 12 new signings one likely to be Grant Ward.says he would like Bogarde and Coburn back on loan. He praised performance of Sub Loft. I find that difficult to accept. Belshaw not mentioned who was clearly man of the match and kept score respectful. A day ago he said a minor tweak, two or three in and no massive changes, think he got caught up in the disappointment of the performance. But for Belly it would have been 5, I have a horrible feeling he won t be here next season, due to wanting to be nearer his home. |
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Post by gulfofaden on Apr 26, 2023 7:29:57 GMT
Jb post match interview saying needs 12 new signings one likely to be Grant Ward.says he would like Bogarde and Coburn back on loan. He praised performance of Sub Loft. I find that difficult to accept. Belshaw not mentioned who was clearly man of the match and kept score respectful. I have no idea what is seen in Coborn. See their first goal last night? Overhead kick from nothing? THAT’S what strikers are supposed to do. At least a few times a season, you want a striker to pull off something individually to save your bacon. As it stands, we need to walk the ball into the net to give one of ours a tap in. Similar for lofty, when was the last time we got a cross in and he headed it home or bundled it in? Our strikers other than Collins (who is clearly off in the summer) are now where near good enough, and Coburn seems to get out muscled (hence we always feel he’s fouled. He’s not, he gives too, he just loses the battle). Coburn reminds me very much of Matt Harold . A big striker who can’t head it or win physical duels. Hopefully JB sees something I can’t (you would assume so given he’s had a successful career in football and I’ve had a succesful career in FIFA seasons) and I am made to eat my words. Plymouths front line showed us what forwards are. |
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Post by bs7verte on Apr 26, 2023 7:49:36 GMT
I do love the honesty of you gas. Most (not all) of you here are critical in the right way. Looking inwardly, not like Wednesday fans who, blame the EFL for the fixtures, referees, fans etc etc.
Well done to the gas who travelled. Couldn't have been an easy watch for large parts.
I saw there were a few posts talking about finances etc - fwiw we were c.2hrs away from being liquidated just over ten years ago.
The club managed to stay in the football league, just about, we ran on free transfers for a number of seasons. We still haven't paid any substantial fees for any player.
The prior owner and our current owner invested into the club infrastructure, tidying up the stadium, making the off field operation more professional etc etc. That's the base which clubs like us need to build.
On field, the current owner has brought in data driven methods for player acquisition and so on, so we're essentially doing "money ball" and successfully. The owner runs a data driven hedge fund and has brought a similar approach to argyle.
It's been in the works for many years and we're reaping the rewards.
My view of Rovers (shoot me down if you want) is the manager. He barely left his seat in the second half yesterday, seemed more intent on being a pain in the backside than focusing purely on his team. In my opinion you guys deserve much better than that.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Apr 26, 2023 7:49:56 GMT
Jb post match interview saying needs 12 new signings one likely to be Grant Ward.says he would like Bogarde and Coburn back on loan. He praised performance of Sub Loft. I find that difficult to accept. Belshaw not mentioned who was clearly man of the match and kept score respectful. A day ago he said a minor tweak, two or three in and no massive changes, think he got caught up in the disappointment of the performance. But for Belly it would have been 5, I have a horrible feeling he won t be here next season, due to wanting to be nearer his home. After he received his new contract he said he was locating to Bristol ? 🤔🤔🤔 |
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Post by Sir Trevor on Apr 26, 2023 7:53:39 GMT
Fourth meeting between the two sides this season. Argyle have scored TWO goals in each game. Their loanees make more impact on games than ours. This match highlights our failings. Plymouth are miles better than us. We lack creativity and composure. Next fixture please. Thought it was 1-1 at their place and they won the pen shoot out, unless i've forgotten a couple of goals You are correct. The previous meeting was 2-0. |
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Post by percy on Apr 26, 2023 8:01:08 GMT
I thought the post-match interview with Barton on Radio Bristol was quite good - he didn’t slate Evans, other than to say he was disappointed with the red card. Said he didn’t think the Collins incident was a penalty. Also took responsibility for making the wrong subs at half-time, didn’t seem to blame anyone else. Sure a few people won’t like that . . . We do like that. We criticise when he goes the other way and want him to change! Shame he gave them a rousing team talk before hand tho |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 26, 2023 8:55:22 GMT
Jb post match interview saying needs 12 new signings one likely to be Grant Ward.says he would like Bogarde and Coburn back on loan. He praised performance of Sub Loft. I find that difficult to accept. Belshaw not mentioned who was clearly man of the match and kept score respectful. I have no idea what is seen in Coborn. See their first goal last night? Overhead kick from nothing? THAT’S what strikers are supposed to do. At least a few times a season, you want a striker to pull off something individually to save your bacon. As it stands, we need to walk the ball into the net to give one of ours a tap in. Similar for lofty, when was the last time we got a cross in and he headed it home or bundled it in? Our strikers other than Collins (who is clearly off in the summer) are now where near good enough, and Coburn seems to get out muscled (hence we always feel he’s fouled. He’s not, he gives too, he just loses the battle). Coburn reminds me very much of Matt Harold . A big striker who can’t head it or win physical duels. Hopefully JB sees something I can’t (you would assume so given he’s had a successful career in football and I’ve had a succesful career in FIFA seasons) and I am made to eat my words. Plymouths front line showed us what forwards are. As a 19(?) yr old lad up against older stronger centre backs he’s going to come out second best most times . It’s probably a big part of his game when he’s playing against players his age and he probably won most physical battles . This is all part of his learning curve as a striker leading the line. |
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Post by peterhooper57 on Apr 26, 2023 9:47:39 GMT
Belshaw was definitely my MOM last night, he is a tremendous keeper and thoroughly underrated; last night watching the game unfold, it was clear Argyle are currently a far better side than ourselves. For me last nights match and Ipswich away where master classes in how to play a team off the park. Plymouth now have a super stadium with a large 16k core support and deserve to go up into the Championship. I think with the players we currently have Joey has achieved the best he can. We have finished in the bottom half of League 1, and that is where we are likely to remain for the foreseeable.
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Post by daniel300380 on Apr 26, 2023 11:48:17 GMT
I do love the honesty of you gas. Most (not all) of you here are critical in the right way. Looking inwardly, not like Wednesday fans who, blame the EFL for the fixtures, referees, fans etc etc. Well done to the gas who travelled. Couldn't have been an easy watch for large parts. I saw there were a few posts talking about finances etc - fwiw we were c.2hrs away from being liquidated just over ten years ago. The club managed to stay in the football league, just about, we ran on free transfers for a number of seasons. We still haven't paid any substantial fees for any player. The prior owner and our current owner invested into the club infrastructure, tidying up the stadium, making the off field operation more professional etc etc. That's the base which clubs like us need to build. On field, the current owner has brought in data driven methods for player acquisition and so on, so we're essentially doing "money ball" and successfully. The owner runs a data driven hedge fund and has brought a similar approach to argyle. It's been in the works for many years and we're reaping the rewards. My view of Rovers (shoot me down if you want) is the manager. He barely left his seat in the second half yesterday, seemed more intent on being a pain in the backside than focusing purely on his team. In my opinion you guys deserve much better than that. UTG Barton was stood for most of the 2nd half, even when we were losing and he was getting chants from the Plymouth fans. They were singing give us a wave, thumbs up etc, which he did. They were then singing she said no Joey. We all know Joey is a hot head and talks before he thinks etc. But he doesn't go hiding. Even during the last minutes he was stood having a good chat with Hughes and then spoke to your manager, shook his hand and wished him luck etc. Maybe you looked during the few minutes he wasn't there🤣 |
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Post by daniel300380 on Apr 26, 2023 11:51:23 GMT
Jb post match interview saying needs 12 new signings one likely to be Grant Ward.says he would like Bogarde and Coburn back on loan. He praised performance of Sub Loft. I find that difficult to accept. Belshaw not mentioned who was clearly man of the match and kept score respectful. I have no idea what is seen in Coborn. See their first goal last night? Overhead kick from nothing? THAT’S what strikers are supposed to do. At least a few times a season, you want a striker to pull off something individually to save your bacon. As it stands, we need to walk the ball into the net to give one of ours a tap in. Similar for lofty, when was the last time we got a cross in and he headed it home or bundled it in? Our strikers other than Collins (who is clearly off in the summer) are now where near good enough, and Coburn seems to get out muscled (hence we always feel he’s fouled. He’s not, he gives too, he just loses the battle). Coburn reminds me very much of Matt Harold . A big striker who can’t head it or win physical duels. Hopefully JB sees something I can’t (you would assume so given he’s had a successful career in football and I’ve had a succesful career in FIFA seasons) and I am made to eat my words. Plymouths front line showed us what forwards are. He has been off form, but he's young and still learning. We were hoping he wasn't recalled when he was playing well earlier in the season. Didn't he pick up an injury and hasn't looked as effective since?? |
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Post by Quarters on Apr 26, 2023 13:10:43 GMT
Do we have a forwards coach?
Remember the influence that Penrice had when he was here with Olly.
Also Olly bought him in at QPR to help a striker who was struggling.
Coburn seems to set himself for the wrestle while JCH and Marquis come off the defender and go down on the collision.
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Post by gulfofaden on Apr 26, 2023 13:26:57 GMT
I have no idea what is seen in Coborn. See their first goal last night? Overhead kick from nothing? THAT’S what strikers are supposed to do. At least a few times a season, you want a striker to pull off something individually to save your bacon. As it stands, we need to walk the ball into the net to give one of ours a tap in. Similar for lofty, when was the last time we got a cross in and he headed it home or bundled it in? Our strikers other than Collins (who is clearly off in the summer) are now where near good enough, and Coburn seems to get out muscled (hence we always feel he’s fouled. He’s not, he gives too, he just loses the battle). Coburn reminds me very much of Matt Harold . A big striker who can’t head it or win physical duels. Hopefully JB sees something I can’t (you would assume so given he’s had a successful career in football and I’ve had a succesful career in FIFA seasons) and I am made to eat my words. Plymouths front line showed us what forwards are. As a 19(?) yr old lad up against older stronger centre backs he’s going to come out second best most times . It’s probably a big part of his game when he’s playing against players his age and he probably won most physical battles . This is all part of his learning curve as a striker leading the line. I’m sure all of this is correct but if you aren’t up to top 6 league 1 standard you shouldn’t be starting games. Hopefully his experience this year will improve his game for next year but he is not good enough presently. We aren’t a charity for young players to gain experience. The bar should be higher. |
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Apr 26, 2023 13:30:51 GMT
IMO it’s no coincidence that the drop off in Coburn’s form has mirrored the drop off in Collins’ form in terms of the timeline.
When Coburn was at his best this season he was largely getting on the end of moments of magic produced by Collins and tapping them home.
As soon as Collins’ level dipped and there was no one else in the side providing the creativity, Coburn stopped scoring.
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Post by yattongas on Apr 26, 2023 14:06:03 GMT
As a 19(?) yr old lad up against older stronger centre backs he’s going to come out second best most times . It’s probably a big part of his game when he’s playing against players his age and he probably won most physical battles . This is all part of his learning curve as a striker leading the line. I’m sure all of this is correct but if you aren’t up to top 6 league 1 standard you shouldn’t be starting games. Hopefully his experience this year will improve his game for next year but he is not good enough presently. We aren’t a charity for young players to gain experience. The bar should be higher. That‘s pretty much all our team then . |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 26, 2023 14:45:15 GMT
IMO it’s no coincidence that the drop off in Coburn’s form has mirrored the drop off in Collins’ form in terms of the timeline. When Coburn was at his best this season he was largely getting on the end of moments of magic produced by Collins and tapping them home. As soon as Collins’ level dipped and there was no one else in the side providing the creativity, Coburn stopped scoring. Take Collins out of the team and do we have one creative player? |
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Post by percy on Apr 26, 2023 15:22:34 GMT
IMO it’s no coincidence that the drop off in Coburn’s form has mirrored the drop off in Collins’ form in terms of the timeline. When Coburn was at his best this season he was largely getting on the end of moments of magic produced by Collins and tapping them home. As soon as Collins’ level dipped and there was no one else in the side providing the creativity, Coburn stopped scoring. Take Collins out of the team and do we have one creative player? Or any real pace. Need to fix both of these things. |
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