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Post by gulfofaden on Apr 27, 2023 19:38:05 GMT
Be careful what you wish for. We have essentially a model where all the richest people in the world come here, and spend huge amounts of money down the toilet and most of it goes in wages which are paid mainly to young men who generally come from humble backgrounds and are greatly enriched.
Where else to regular lads with a skill and passion make themselves fortunes at the expense of the wealthy?
Many have such a big issue with footballers earning this money. Why? Would you prefer the children of the super rich to keep every penny? Or for this merely to remain in the coffers of the mega rich?
Some people have so much money they don’t know how to spend it. What good is £1BN? Once you have 10 houses and a yacht, what do you do with the rest?
Regardless of how we want the world to be, the fact is that the mega rich exist and anh set up which shared this wealth with regular kids who just had a dream is a good thing. In the process we are all greatly entertained.
The other thing is, if you end it here, guess what? Other countries Will be happy to host these billionaires and all the best players will go there. We will lose the income and our cultural crown Jewells
If you want to change the game for the better - limit big clubs youth squads and allow lower league teams to develop their own players for profit - not accept loans of big clubs to train their players and then have to buy them. That’s a much more realistic goal which will retain the money men and help rovers and stop the lower leagues being bought by money.
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Post by Quarters on Apr 27, 2023 20:01:34 GMT
Be careful what you wish for. We have essentially a model where all the richest people in the world come here, and spend huge amounts of money down the toilet and most of it goes in wages which are paid mainly to young men who generally come from humble backgrounds and are greatly enriched. Where else to regular lads with a skill and passion make themselves fortunes at the expense of the wealthy? Many have such a big issue with footballers earning this money. Why? Would you prefer the children of the super rich to keep every penny? Or for this merely to remain in the coffers of the mega rich? Some people have so much money they don’t know how to spend it. What good is £1BN? Once you have 10 houses and a yacht, what do you do with the rest? Regardless of how we want the world to be, the fact is that the mega rich exist and anh set up which shared this wealth with regular kids who just had a dream is a good thing. In the process we are all greatly entertained. The other thing is, if you end it here, guess what? Other countries Will be happy to host these billionaires and all the best players will go there. We will lose the income and our cultural crown Jewells If you want to change the game for the better - limit big clubs youth squads and allow lower league teams to develop their own players for profit - not accept loans of big clubs to train their players and then have to buy them. That’s a much more realistic goal which will retain the money men and help rovers and stop the lower leagues being bought by money. You may argue at least the taxman gets hold of some money, I assume players are PAYE. |
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Post by gulfofaden on Apr 28, 2023 11:21:52 GMT
Be careful what you wish for. We have essentially a model where all the richest people in the world come here, and spend huge amounts of money down the toilet and most of it goes in wages which are paid mainly to young men who generally come from humble backgrounds and are greatly enriched. Where else to regular lads with a skill and passion make themselves fortunes at the expense of the wealthy? Many have such a big issue with footballers earning this money. Why? Would you prefer the children of the super rich to keep every penny? Or for this merely to remain in the coffers of the mega rich? Some people have so much money they don’t know how to spend it. What good is £1BN? Once you have 10 houses and a yacht, what do you do with the rest? Regardless of how we want the world to be, the fact is that the mega rich exist and anh set up which shared this wealth with regular kids who just had a dream is a good thing. In the process we are all greatly entertained. The other thing is, if you end it here, guess what? Other countries Will be happy to host these billionaires and all the best players will go there. We will lose the income and our cultural crown Jewells If you want to change the game for the better - limit big clubs youth squads and allow lower league teams to develop their own players for profit - not accept loans of big clubs to train their players and then have to buy them. That’s a much more realistic goal which will retain the money men and help rovers and stop the lower leagues being bought by money. You may argue at least the taxman gets hold of some money, I assume players are PAYE. No, I’m genuinely happy that footballers earn lots of money. Taxman would get the money either way. Contrary to popular belief, the wealthy pay the most tax. |
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Post by Quarters on Apr 28, 2023 12:28:03 GMT
You may argue at least the taxman gets hold of some money, I assume players are PAYE. No, I’m genuinely happy that footballers earn lots of money. Taxman would get the money either way. Contrary to popular belief, the wealthy pay the most tax. Even the exiles? Point was that the players age paying tax, so that is good. As you say good re players salary. Do all the companies that "pay" into football revenue streams pay UK taxes? Does he man at Ashton Gate pay UK taxes? I would suggest that a lot of monies going into football clubs has not been taxed in the UK. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Apr 28, 2023 13:17:14 GMT
No, I’m genuinely happy that footballers earn lots of money. Taxman would get the money either way. Contrary to popular belief, the wealthy pay the most tax. Even the exiles? Point was that the players age paying tax, so that is good. As you say good re players salary. Do all the companies that "pay" into football revenue streams pay UK taxes? Does he man at Ashton Gate pay UK taxes? I would suggest that a lot of monies going into football clubs has not been taxed in the UK. It depends where the money is earned doesn’t it. For example, if most of waels earnings are made in Jordan then that wealth will be subject to their tax laws. Depending on how much time is spent in the UK and how much wealth comes from trust funds etc he could be classed as non-don where a smaller percentage of tax is paid. See Mrs Sunak as a reference. |
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Apr 28, 2023 13:26:31 GMT
No, I’m genuinely happy that footballers earn lots of money. Taxman would get the money either way. Contrary to popular belief, the wealthy pay the most tax. Even the exiles? Point was that the players age paying tax, so that is good. As you say good re players salary. Do all the companies that "pay" into football revenue streams pay UK taxes? Does he man at Ashton Gate pay UK taxes? I would suggest that a lot of monies going into football clubs has not been taxed in the UK. Given our own club has many DWANE offshoots, do we pay ? Guernsey or Jersey, not much difference really. The wealthy know the best ways to avoid and use legal loopholes. There is nothing illegal about it. |
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Post by Quarters on Apr 28, 2023 13:38:15 GMT
Even the exiles? Point was that the players age paying tax, so that is good. As you say good re players salary. Do all the companies that "pay" into football revenue streams pay UK taxes? Does he man at Ashton Gate pay UK taxes? I would suggest that a lot of monies going into football clubs has not been taxed in the UK. It depends where the money is earned doesn’t it. For example, if most of waels earnings are made in Jordan then that wealth will be subject to their tax laws. Depending on how much time is spent in the UK and how much wealth comes from trust funds etc he could be classed as non-don where a smaller percentage of tax is paid. See Mrs Sunak as a reference. This was all about money being taxed in the UK. One point made it is good for UK if players get more money as this is taxed in UK. Was suggesting that the funds that goes into the football club has not necessarily subject to UK taxes. We have seen examples of companies getting revenue in UK but not paying taxes here. Anyway lets not get into this minefield. |
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Post by aghast on Apr 28, 2023 15:52:40 GMT
You may argue at least the taxman gets hold of some money, I assume players are PAYE. No, I’m genuinely happy that footballers earn lots of money. Taxman would get the money either way. Contrary to popular belief, the wealthy pay the most tax. The poor lambs. It's tough being rich. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 28, 2023 17:57:24 GMT
Even the exiles? Point was that the players age paying tax, so that is good. As you say good re players salary. Do all the companies that "pay" into football revenue streams pay UK taxes? Does he man at Ashton Gate pay UK taxes? I would suggest that a lot of monies going into football clubs has not been taxed in the UK. Given our own club has many DWANE offshoots, do we pay ? Guernsey or Jersey, not much difference really. The wealthy know the best ways to avoid and use legal loopholes. There is nothing illegal about it. Why would any loss making business pay taxes? How Wael offsets his losses at Rovers against other income/investments would be interesting to know but we're never likely to find out. |
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Post by gulfofaden on Apr 29, 2023 6:16:39 GMT
No, I’m genuinely happy that footballers earn lots of money. Taxman would get the money either way. Contrary to popular belief, the wealthy pay the most tax. The poor lambs. It's tough being rich. Have some sugar for that bitterness. |
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Post by gulfofaden on Apr 29, 2023 6:22:12 GMT
Even the exiles? Point was that the players age paying tax, so that is good. As you say good re players salary. Do all the companies that "pay" into football revenue streams pay UK taxes? Does he man at Ashton Gate pay UK taxes? I would suggest that a lot of monies going into football clubs has not been taxed in the UK. It depends where the money is earned doesn’t it. For example, if most of waels earnings are made in Jordan then that wealth will be subject to their tax laws. Depending on how much time is spent in the UK and how much wealth comes from trust funds etc he could be classed as non-don where a smaller percentage of tax is paid. See Mrs Sunak as a reference. Nope. Non-Dom U.K. residents pay tax on foreign earnings and income. If you’ve been here a certain length of time you can elect to pay a flat £30k or £60k. Ideally we want as many rich foreigners living here as possibly because like Wael, they spend loads of money. |
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Post by scdave on Apr 29, 2023 7:37:06 GMT
As alluded to by SLAM, we all have an opportunity to make some input. It maybe a bit JFK, or Kitchener-esque but what can we as fans do to help more?. Obviously on top of your ST, you can stump up £900 for a table at the player of the year, buy a home and away shirt, programme, 50/50, pasty, pie, watch away games on I follow or travel by SC coaches to away games etc etc, but individually this is a very small drop in the ocean. Collectively though, I would have thought a few changes (an extra pint at the Mem after the game, an extra 50/50 ticket etc) could make a big difference. 8000 fans spending a fiver each game (25) is a million already! Fans have the freedom of choice to watch, when, where etc and travel to a game how they want and have a pre match food and drink where they want. I bet more than £3.7 million a year gets spent each year by Gas fans to the likes of British Rail, Welly, Civil Service club, fake on line merch etc. The trick for TG and DB is getting them to spend the same money at the Mem, SC coaches etc It is clear we are wholly relient on Wael and if things go badly and he decides he can't pay Joey £3million more than we can afford, it will probably mean a return to the Garner-esque philosophy with a splattering of experienced pros and kids. In hindsight Bobby Gould achieved a minor miracle in 86/87 but I doubt anyone could keep us up in that scenario again. Without sustainablity and without Wael, we would probably be in freefall, (Yeovil etc). Football needs to get it's act together and tough decisions need to be made. COVID was a wake up call, but the powers that be, seem to have just fallen asleep at the wheel again. Along the same lines, and sorry for sounding like a broken record, but post COVID the number of 50/50 sellers has reduced. There are obviously several factors for the reduced 50/50 prizes in general, but I honestly believe that just one volunteer around the fanzone, maybe for just a hour a game could earn a few grand over the course of a season. This could lead to a snowball effect. If prizes were regularly over a thousand pounds, more people would buy an extra ticket and possibly more away fans would take the chance as well. A drop in the ocean, but there are lots of ways to increase the revenue at the club and one of the more enjoyable is buying pre match food and drinks from the fanzone and clubhouse rather than elsewhere. Also, if you haven't signed up for the Rovers linked shopping site then this can earn extra revenue (if your about to purchase a family holiday, car, new kitchen etc), commission to the club of 2% could earn quite a bit, especially if 6000 fans joined and used it for day to day shopping as well as more extravagant items. |
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