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Post by rememberhalifax on May 3, 2023 6:38:45 GMT
Well done Halifax . As we’re the greatest club in the land for ending other teams bad run of results I fully expect a 3-1 defeat. #UTG 🙄 Clever bugger!
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on May 3, 2023 6:42:29 GMT
Did they even get used last night?
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Post by rememberhalifax on May 3, 2023 6:50:08 GMT
Surprising number of pages on this thread ,given the apathy pre-match , and given the Posh thread only got to 8. I know it's disappointing to lose but think fans read to much into it, it's the kind of game to test players, and tactics and think we need to realise that, coaches will have learned much last night re players and tactics, far more than if we had played first 11 for 90 mins and won 5-0, that's how i read it anyway, think JB has been thinking of next season for some time now, all about opinions though.
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Post by herbertblake on May 3, 2023 6:50:41 GMT
Our poor run of results just seem to get glossed over. From this run of 4 consecutive Away games only one point & one goal.
Two of the defeats (Port Vale & Shrewsbury) were against sides who had both not won for 8 games.
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Post by bidefordgas on May 3, 2023 7:08:25 GMT
Ward would be the only one of our players starting tonight who I would keep for next season. Gibson ditto, but would be surprised if we could sign him. The retained list is going to be interesting, from those that started tonight I'd certainly think Gordon & Finley will be a big part of next years squad. I think we've got a lot of work to do if we're serious about challenging I agree about Gordon, for some reason I have been thinking he is a loanee.
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Post by Windmill Hill Gas on May 3, 2023 7:14:51 GMT
I sometimes think it would be more economical for Coburn to just start the game lying down, and get up occasionally when we are on the attack?
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Post by trevorgas on May 3, 2023 7:16:53 GMT
Surprising number of pages on this thread ,given the apathy pre-match , and given the Posh thread only got to 8. I know it's disappointing to lose but think fans read to much into it, it's the kind of game to test players, and tactics and think we need to realise that, coaches will have learned much last night re players and tactics, far more than if we had played first 11 for 90 mins and won 5-0, that's how i read it anyway, think JB has been thinking of next season for some time now, all about opinions though. It was interesting being at the game,we were the only team playing football,I thought that in possession first half we looked slow and had no width,once we got Sinclair etc on we had almost total control and the width stretched Shrewsbury completely. They were a poor side,two shots 2 goals and we had numerous opportunities to at least draw or win the game. Conclusion,gave away 2 poor goals,can see what Barton is trying to do with ball on the ground and width, issue is we lack like for like players to play that way all game so we give teams a foothold either at the start of later. Have to say we are pleasing on the eye when we zip it around and despite the loss it's the way I like to see football played.
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Post by gulfofaden on May 3, 2023 7:52:04 GMT
I sometimes think it would be more economical for Coburn to just start the game lying down, and get up occasionally when we are on the attack? Coburn finally managed to score by having the ball rebound directly on to his head from the crossbar. Essentially a wooden post would have been as effective. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Our main issue is strikers who generally provide nothing, with the close runner up a defence who don’t defend set pieces and crosses. 3 CB of high quality and 3 high quality strikers and this team would walk the league. We are getting all the possession for game after game and losing by one goal because we can’t defend and can’t score. The ease at which opposition strikers get straight to the chase compared to ours is stark.
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Post by Quarters on May 3, 2023 7:54:44 GMT
I sometimes think it would be more economical for Coburn to just start the game lying down, and get up occasionally when we are on the attack? Coburn finally managed to score by having the ball rebound directly on to his head from the crossbar. Essentially a wooden post would have been as effective. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Our main issue is strikers who generally provide nothing, with the close runner up a defence who don’t defend set pieces and crosses. 3 CB of high quality and 3 high quality strikers and this team would walk the league. We are getting all the possession for game after game and losing by one goal because we can’t defend and can’t score. The ease at which opposition strikers get straight to the chase compared to ours is stark. 3 CB of high quality and 3 high quality strikers - most teams would walk the league. Do teams in the top six have six such players?
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Post by gulfofaden on May 3, 2023 7:58:30 GMT
Coburn finally managed to score by having the ball rebound directly on to his head from the crossbar. Essentially a wooden post would have been as effective. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Our main issue is strikers who generally provide nothing, with the close runner up a defence who don’t defend set pieces and crosses. 3 CB of high quality and 3 high quality strikers and this team would walk the league. We are getting all the possession for game after game and losing by one goal because we can’t defend and can’t score. The ease at which opposition strikers get straight to the chase compared to ours is stark. 3 CB of high quality and 3 high quality strikers - most teams would walk the league. Do teams in the top six have six such players? Significantly better than ours You can’t look at dominating every game and conceding more than you score to be anything but a strike and defence issue.
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Post by Qatar Gas on May 3, 2023 8:10:27 GMT
Surprising number of pages on this thread ,given the apathy pre-match , and given the Posh thread only got to 8. Before the days of iFollow when I didn't fancy staying up until the early hours listen to weeknight games online, I would just read through the matchday thread the following morning. You could always have a guess how we did based on the number of pages. The more pages there were you knew we had lost and anything longer than 20 pages usually meant we had had an absolute shocker!
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Post by Quarters on May 3, 2023 8:11:58 GMT
3 CB of high quality and 3 high quality strikers - most teams would walk the league. Do teams in the top six have six such players? Significantly better than ours You can’t look at dominating every game and conceding more than you score to be anything but a strike and defence issue. Chance creation has to be looked at as well!
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on May 3, 2023 8:14:46 GMT
Just got back.. From ifollow.
There you have our season wrapped up in one match...
Poor start, potential on peripheral and finish stronger, not particularly managed well, many fans left disappointed with result but not performance. The feeling we didn't achieve our standard and left the match and season wondering " what if?"
That sums it up for me.
We missed opportunity for new promotion season bounce, but I do make some mitigation that Charlton apart, there's some big old clubs fighting it out in a tougher division than when we left it COVID season...
Ok...house keeping out the way. The loans will go back and you have to prepare without them next season. Gibson pick of the bunch for me.
McDonald didn't even get to a flurry. Bogarde looks better and better. Coburn gone off the boil since nyd....but for me m o m last night as got through helluva lotta work. Thomas was bombed out early, I quite liked him. Balconbe just doesn't make saves...well he didn't last night or Morecambe. He's one of those keepers nothing sticks to and every shot finds their way in. Nice distribution though, can't fault that...
Quansah ... I'm gonna say it, I place some of the blame on him for both goals last night and has thoroughly unimpressed me. Sure, he looks composed on the ball and can sometimes distribute, but his defensive actions are out of touch, not stopping the cross or shot and missing a hatful of headers free in the box to score (Luca caught his cold last night with a sitter)....a bit disappointed. Maybe I've set the bar high?
So, 2 goals down because we can't defend a simple set piece, and block a shot that went cleanly in from an acute angle that our loan keeper couldn't get something on...?
Who started them? Why?
Pre subs of: Gibbons, not for me. Bogarde, improving but only looking like we've seen a glimpse of what he offers. Marquis, tried to get the game going but struggled. Gordon, really like his dirty.
Finley, meh has looked a shadow recently. Ward, very good hope we can acquire him next season as he's handy.
Well I guess JAB management night need fine tuning too.
I get where we are, but I believe the much misaligned SC in post match tinterview.....we were beaten by a team with half our resources and a season of serious injuries sick notes and playing budget. They took 4 points off us - however horribly.
That sums it up for me.
To balance it, we played some beautiful, easy on the eye approach football last night with the 5 subs all contributing to a lovely, fluid display of possession based football.... and it has to be said, Shrewsbury dealt with most of it admirably in defence and their display of siege mentality reflected in SC post match emotional comments. A good advert on third division football.
...but I couldn't help but feel sorry for travelling faithful - again in amazing numbers - for a Tue night that just didn't matter league position-wise.
So, in summary a march that reflects the season - over all we done alright - just that, alright - and I'm neither JAB in (because he hasn't gotten anywhere near GC levels, nor JAB out (because we never looked relegation material), but I would ask if anyone else feels the same?
A great display but ultimately let down for various reasons.
That about sums it up for me.
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Post by Gastafari on May 3, 2023 8:17:00 GMT
3 CB of high quality and 3 high quality strikers - most teams would walk the league. Do teams in the top six have six such players? Significantly better than ours You can’t look at dominating every game and conceding more than you score to be anything but a strike and defence issue. Do they? Not strikers they don't. Didn't Aaron Collins just win Player Of The Season? Collins, Coburn and Marquis have scored 37 goals between them. I think only Ipswich with Chaplin and Ladapo who have 42 between them better it. I'm not 100% certain though.
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Post by smudge1 on May 3, 2023 8:17:30 GMT
A thoroughly water poor performance for 70 mins! 5 subs made the difference! Shrewsbury had two attempts on goal and scored! We are simply not good enough! Shocking defending and didn't look like scoring until Coburn scored,! Surely JB has to look at his recruitment and tactics at times a realise he is getting wrong more than right. The only positive in my opinion was Grant Ward. Can't wait for the season to end.
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Post by Quarters on May 3, 2023 8:20:08 GMT
Re the Hoole "sitter". He looked outside the box when the cross was hit and came in with a gallop, given that was not as easy as some suggest.
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Post by percy on May 3, 2023 8:24:29 GMT
Re the Hoole "sitter". He looked outside the box when the cross was hit and came in with a gallop, given that was not as easy as some suggest. Noticed that too. A great run at speed into space (commentators missed it obv). So not easy. But should have got it on target For me he offers more going forward than Gibbons. He has pace and is willing to run at defenders. Gibbons was ponderous going forward and took to long to pass
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Post by peterhooper57 on May 3, 2023 8:27:56 GMT
Did they even get used last night? No, youngsters have moved on, at half-time letting-off a blue flare on the concourse under the stand, with the stench causing the food outlet staff to bring down the shutter. O 2 b young again.
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Post by peterhooper57 on May 3, 2023 8:31:41 GMT
Re the Hoole "sitter". He looked outside the box when the cross was hit and came in with a gallop, given that was not as easy as some suggest. Noticed that too. A great run at speed into space (commentators missed it obv). So not easy. But should have got it on target For me he offers more going forward than Gibbons. He has pace and is willing to run at defenders. Gibbons was ponderous going forward and took to long to pass From where I was sat, straight in front of the on-coming Hoole, he took his eyes off the ball as it hit his head, awful miss, tbh it was harder to miss the open goal. Doh.
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Post by percy on May 3, 2023 8:36:08 GMT
Noticed that too. A great run at speed into space (commentators missed it obv). So not easy. But should have got it on target For me he offers more going forward than Gibbons. He has pace and is willing to run at defenders. Gibbons was ponderous going forward and took to long to pass From where I was sat, straight in front of the on-coming Hoole, he took his eyes off the ball as it hit his head, awful miss, tbh it was harder to miss the open goal. Doh. Guess my point was Gibbons wouldn’t have got there in the first place. He can learn to finish better.
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