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Post by peterhooper57 on May 3, 2023 8:38:43 GMT
A thoroughly water poor performance for 70 mins! 5 subs made the difference! Shrewsbury had two attempts on goal and scored! We are simply not good enough! Shocking defending and didn't look like scoring until Coburn scored,! Surely JB has to look at his recruitment and tactics at times a realise he is getting wrong more than right. The only positive in my opinion was Grant Ward. Can't wait for the season to end. Not sure Joey got his tactics wrong, just most of the players that started the match where not able to pas and move the ball quick enough. Thank fully most of the current crop will be gone during the summer; with Joey saying during the post match interview he will be bringing in better players during the summer |
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Post by titchthephot on May 3, 2023 9:12:39 GMT
A thoroughly water poor performance for 70 mins! 5 subs made the difference! Shrewsbury had two attempts on goal and scored! We are simply not good enough! Shocking defending and didn't look like scoring until Coburn scored,! Surely JB has to look at his recruitment and tactics at times a realise he is getting wrong more than right. The only positive in my opinion was Grant Ward. Can't wait for the season to end. Not sure Joey got his tactics wrong, just most of the players that started the match where not able to pas and move the ball quick enough. Thank fully most of the current crop will be gone during the summer; with Joey saying during the post match interview he will be bringing in better players during the summer Like he did in the winter transfer market?  |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 3, 2023 9:19:20 GMT
Joey saying and Joey doing are two entirely different things, I doubt he thought in January he'd bring in inferior players just for the sake of it plus last summer's big signings Marquis, Connolly and McCormick have hardly been good signings.
JB has a massive transfer window for his own career aspirations, as if he has another bad one he may well be out of a job in a few months time.
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Post by rovers5charlton5 on May 3, 2023 9:22:13 GMT
We need more experience for sure. I like the squad we have but it’s so young and has zero knowledge of the dark arts bar perhaps Finley. And we need width and pace , with Anderson and Sinclair the only two wide attacking players at the club the squad is very central and very predictable to play against as we saw tonight until the subs came on and gave us width. Barton has built a squad that’s dug himself tactically in to a hole. Experience costs money which JB seems unwilling to spend on players, although god knows where Wael's £3m goes each season. Wages. |
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Post by Quarters on May 3, 2023 9:43:34 GMT
From where I was sat, straight in front of the on-coming Hoole, he took his eyes off the ball as it hit his head, awful miss, tbh it was harder to miss the open goal. Doh. Guess my point was Gibbons wouldn’t have got there in the first place. He can learn to finish better. Not sure what it means when we are moaning about the finishing of full backs! |
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Post by gulfofaden on May 3, 2023 10:11:39 GMT
Significantly better than ours You can’t look at dominating every game and conceding more than you score to be anything but a strike and defence issue. Do they? Not strikers they don't. Didn't Aaron Collins just win Player Of The Season? Collins, Coburn and Marquis have scored 37 goals between them. I think only Ipswich with Chaplin and Ladapo who have 42 between them better it. I'm not 100% certain though. If you actually watch the performances of everyone bar Collins and to a lesser extent Marquis, I am astounding that you think they’re good Enough. I specifically excluded Collins as he’s good enough (on earlier post). If you compare our other 3 strikers of Loft, coburn and Marquis they’ve scored 22 goals. That’s the correct comparison. In a team which has averaged superior possession in the majority of games. Agree to disagree but if we start with those 3 with no Collins next year you can look forward to another year skirting with relegation. Coburn looks like he can’t hit a cows arse with a banjo. Effort isn’t going to cut it. I’d run around a lot for £2k a week. Look at what other teams strikers have done in the last 4 games and tell me that our current ones are good enough. Strikers should be able to get a goal or two from nothing, you should have to create tap ins. Which is about they only way they score currently |
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Post by Gastafari on May 3, 2023 10:38:49 GMT
Do they? Not strikers they don't. Didn't Aaron Collins just win Player Of The Season? Collins, Coburn and Marquis have scored 37 goals between them. I think only Ipswich with Chaplin and Ladapo who have 42 between them better it. I'm not 100% certain though. If you actually watch the performances of everyone bar Collins and to a lesser extent Marquis, I am astounding that you think they’re good Enough. I specifically excluded Collins as he’s good enough (on earlier post). If you compare our other 3 strikers of Loft, coburn and Marquis they’ve scored 22 goals. That’s the correct comparison. In a team which has averaged superior possession in the majority of games. Agree to disagree but if we start with those 3 with no Collins next year you can look forward to another year skirting with relegation. Coburn looks like he can’t hit a cows arse with a banjo. Effort isn’t going to cut it. I’d run around a lot for £2k a week. Look at what other teams strikers have done in the last 4 games and tell me that our current ones are good enough. Strikers should be able to get a goal or two from nothing, you should have to create tap ins. Which is about they only way they score currently I'm just pointing out that as a strikeforce Collins, Coburn and Marquis are actually right at the very top in terms of combined goals. Like I said I think only Ipswichs pair have scored more goals as a collective. I posted earlier on this thread that we haven't been clinical enough in the 2nd half of the season and both Collins and Coburns goals have dried up considerably, yet our forwards have scored more combined than the other 22 teams. Coburn is a young lad, whose already scored goals at Championship level as a teenager and is very highly rated, he is definitely good enough, he's just had a dip in form. His ratio of 10 goals in 26 starts is not a bad return. Marquis has 8 goals in 1730 minutes, which roughly adds upto the equivalent of 19 games,not far off a 1 in 2 average. Again that's not a bad return at all. Again as a strikeforce their combined goal tally is only bettered by Ipswich, so whether you rate them or not or don't think they're good enough, the stats suggest that the rest of the sides in this division don't have a frontline considerably better than ours. I haven't mentioned Loft because I agree that he isn't good enough. |
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Post by rememberhalifax on May 3, 2023 11:39:07 GMT
With all this debate around the forwards i am sure that pre Christmas much of the chat on here cantered around the opinion that we had one of the best and exceptionally good forward line but a shockingly bad defence, the latter probably still applies, what happened to the former?
Also with the debate about 'possession 'football leading nowhere i can remember many times, even when at our most successful, going home from a game and thinking that a struggling team we had just beaten seemed to play much better football than us, yet we finished with the points.
I remember JB saying he wanted us to play with the style not seen at this level before which is an honourable ambition but he is not daft and i am sure will come to the conclusion that you have to have balance and a mix of different strengths, i remember Glen Hoddles Swindon playing keep ball , can't remember if they were successful, Swansea certainly were and Coventry were very pleasing on the eye when they won our league ,but they also had steel, over to you JB, good luck with the recruitment!
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Post by peterhooper57 on May 3, 2023 12:26:42 GMT
Joey saying and Joey doing are two entirely different things, I doubt he thought in January he'd bring in inferior players just for the sake of it plus last summer's big signings Marquis, Connolly and McCormick have hardly been good signings. JB has a massive transfer window for his own career aspirations, as if he has another bad one he may well be out of a job in a few months time. Joey got the club promoted last season, and comfortably kept the club in League 1 this season, his target for next season his play-offs, all good imo. Maybe Joey will decide to leave on his own accord; then what ? |
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Post by oldie on May 3, 2023 12:33:20 GMT
It's just amazing...we lost..again, but you contend "that's ok" you're exactly the sort of person I would expect to moan, that's all you do Not moaning. Just stating the facts of the teams performance under Barton this season. |
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Post by gulfofaden on May 3, 2023 12:51:10 GMT
If you actually watch the performances of everyone bar Collins and to a lesser extent Marquis, I am astounding that you think they’re good Enough. I specifically excluded Collins as he’s good enough (on earlier post). If you compare our other 3 strikers of Loft, coburn and Marquis they’ve scored 22 goals. That’s the correct comparison. In a team which has averaged superior possession in the majority of games. Agree to disagree but if we start with those 3 with no Collins next year you can look forward to another year skirting with relegation. Coburn looks like he can’t hit a cows arse with a banjo. Effort isn’t going to cut it. I’d run around a lot for £2k a week. Look at what other teams strikers have done in the last 4 games and tell me that our current ones are good enough. Strikers should be able to get a goal or two from nothing, you should have to create tap ins. Which is about they only way they score currently I'm just pointing out that as a strikeforce Collins, Coburn and Marquis are actually right at the very top in terms of combined goals. Like I said I think only Ipswichs pair have scored more goals as a collective. I posted earlier on this thread that we haven't been clinical enough in the 2nd half of the season and both Collins and Coburns goals have dried up considerably, yet our forwards have scored more combined than the other 22 teams. Coburn is a young lad, whose already scored goals at Championship level as a teenager and is very highly rated, he is definitely good enough, he's just had a dip in form. His ratio of 10 goals in 26 starts is not a bad return. Marquis has 8 goals in 1730 minutes, which roughly adds upto the equivalent of 19 games,not far off a 1 in 2 average. Again that's not a bad return at all. Again as a strikeforce their combined goal tally is only bettered by Ipswich, so whether you rate them or not or don't think they're good enough, the stats suggest that the rest of the sides in this division don't have a frontline considerably better than ours. I haven't mentioned Loft because I agree that he isn't good enough. Pah! Stats! Garner looked at stats and look where that got us! Stats are no match for my subjective opinion. |
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Post by gulfofaden on May 3, 2023 12:52:59 GMT
i can remember many times, even when at our most successful, going home from a game and thinking that a struggling team we had just beaten seemed to play much better football than us, yet we finished with the points. ! The entire tenure of Graham Coughlan. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 3, 2023 13:42:54 GMT
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Post by percy on May 3, 2023 13:53:52 GMT
Well I 100% agree with Barton on this one. No idea what we did to upset him. |
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Post by lastminutewinner on May 3, 2023 13:56:13 GMT
Well I 100% agree with Barton on this one. No idea what we did to upset him. Interesting that Barton said he wasn't much liked by other players here. I dont think he left the club on good terms as he didnt even send out a leaving message on social media, which as a captain is pretty much unheard of these days. Bigger surprise was him getting MOTM... did he even touch the ball after his goal? |
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Post by Gastafari on May 3, 2023 14:11:42 GMT
I'm just pointing out that as a strikeforce Collins, Coburn and Marquis are actually right at the very top in terms of combined goals. Like I said I think only Ipswichs pair have scored more goals as a collective. I posted earlier on this thread that we haven't been clinical enough in the 2nd half of the season and both Collins and Coburns goals have dried up considerably, yet our forwards have scored more combined than the other 22 teams. Coburn is a young lad, whose already scored goals at Championship level as a teenager and is very highly rated, he is definitely good enough, he's just had a dip in form. His ratio of 10 goals in 26 starts is not a bad return. Marquis has 8 goals in 1730 minutes, which roughly adds upto the equivalent of 19 games,not far off a 1 in 2 average. Again that's not a bad return at all. Again as a strikeforce their combined goal tally is only bettered by Ipswich, so whether you rate them or not or don't think they're good enough, the stats suggest that the rest of the sides in this division don't have a frontline considerably better than ours. I haven't mentioned Loft because I agree that he isn't good enough. Pah! Stats! Garner looked at stats and look where that got us! Stats are no match for my subjective opinion. I've provided some facts as well though. Facts don't lie and quash subjective opinions. |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 3, 2023 14:39:25 GMT
Joey saying and Joey doing are two entirely different things, I doubt he thought in January he'd bring in inferior players just for the sake of it plus last summer's big signings Marquis, Connolly and McCormick have hardly been good signings. JB has a massive transfer window for his own career aspirations, as if he has another bad one he may well be out of a job in a few months time. Joey got the club promoted last season, and comfortably kept the club in League 1 this season, his target for next season his play-offs, all good imo. Maybe Joey will decide to leave on his own accord; then what ? Probably a lengthy spell unemployed for JB, for us who knows, it's not like JB is some L1 Messiah who's irreplaceable. Let's just hope JB & EJ have learnt from this season's mistakes and we have a far better summer transfer window but you just have a nagging feeling that experienced players don't want to sign for a club managed by Barton. |
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Post by percy on May 3, 2023 14:44:07 GMT
Joey got the club promoted last season, and comfortably kept the club in League 1 this season, his target for next season his play-offs, all good imo. Maybe Joey will decide to leave on his own accord; then what ? Probably a lengthy spell unemployed for JB, for us who knows, it's not like JB is some L1 Messiah who's irreplaceable. Let's just hope JB & EJ have learnt from this season's mistakes and we have a far better summer transfer window but you just have a nagging feeling that experienced players don't want to sign for a club managed by Barton.I'm happy to criticise JB, but not sure this has much basis in fact? Sinclair, Ward, Rossiter, Coutts, Finlay, Belshaw, Hughes, Marquis etc etc |
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Post by Topper Gas on May 3, 2023 14:45:18 GMT
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Post by The Equaliser on May 3, 2023 14:45:24 GMT
Joey got the club promoted last season, and comfortably kept the club in League 1 this season, his target for next season his play-offs, all good imo. Maybe Joey will decide to leave on his own accord; then what ? Probably a lengthy spell unemployed for JB, for us who knows, it's not like JB is some L1 Messiah who's irreplaceable. Let's just hope JB & EJ have learnt from this season's mistakes and we have a far better summer transfer window but you just have a nagging feeling that experienced players don't want to sign for a club managed by Barton. You are literally just making things up now Topper. |
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