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Post by wertongas on May 11, 2023 16:01:53 GMT
Just doing some rough maths on it all. Having done some sponsorship at the mem myself over the years I know what the rate card is for sponsoring stands etc. Brunel would have paid around £12k for the season sponsorship of the south stand and the Southwest stand would have been in the region of £7k per season. Given that the new stand will in effect be one stand, larger, with more of a presence I could imagine the cost of that would be about £20k per season. Add in the ticket cost per seat per match would give you a real base figure. 3500 seats x £22.00 x 23 games = £1.77m per season. Add in match day revenue from food and drink. I don't know what that figure is but if every seat spent £4.50 that's £15.7k x 23 = £362k. Then of course there is the possibility of blue ribband cup games should we progress to the big club rounds to add to the revenue. So a new stand will gross us around £2.2m per season, meaning that if it costs £5m to build it would be paid for after year 3 but we can spread the liability further for a cost of 3%, say 5 years and maximise the cash flow into the playing budget and gives us much greater flexibility fiscally. The pressure on the club though would be to perform on the pitch and make this a draw for fans, but given that we have put 12k in the stadium when we were in the conference then we should be able to do it in L1. You based your figures on the stand being full every game, but even the tents were only full for less than half the games this last season, so i doubt the new larger stand will be full for every game, unless Barton works a miracle and we are top of the table all season. |
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Post by mariobalotelli on May 11, 2023 17:38:52 GMT
We won’t even sell out at the mem next season unless we’re at the top end. It’s a good idea because we’re nearing capacity at a reduced capacity but why was the restrictions of this reduced capacity not in place for the last game? The stands not needed I’d rather see focus on the playing squad and securing the fruit market.
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Post by mftc on May 11, 2023 17:46:21 GMT
Just by the law of averages we are due a good home cup draw.
We have not been able to make hay while the sun shines since the 70's!
Also we may be able to offer more kid a quid games to try and entice future generations with a bigger capacity.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 11, 2023 17:48:45 GMT
We won’t even sell out at the mem next season unless we’re at the top end. It’s a good idea because we’re nearing capacity at a reduced capacity but why was the restrictions of this reduced capacity not in place for the last game? The stands not needed I’d rather see focus on the playing squad and securing the fruit market. The club have worked all season with SAG to get the capacity increased, plus Sunday's game was probably not see as that high profile a match once Bolton had secured their play off place so possibly more fans were allowed into the south stand. Given we sell out the stands virtually every week with most home seats gone in season tickets there's clearly a need for more seating and also increasing the Mem capacity generally. I can't see building the stand stops us securing the fruit market, in fact Wael could be building the stand and increasing the Mem capacity now that he's confident that the FM will go ahead. |
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Post by stuart1974 on May 11, 2023 17:51:31 GMT
We won’t even sell out at the mem next season unless we’re at the top end. It’s a good idea because we’re nearing capacity at a reduced capacity but why was the restrictions of this reduced capacity not in place for the last game? The stands not needed I’d rather see focus on the playing squad and securing the fruit market. The stand is needed, it also gives us capacity headroom. It also makes no difference to progress on the FM site, both can run in tandem. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2023 17:54:46 GMT
Just by the law of averages we are due a good home cup draw. We have not been able to make hay while the sun shines since the 70's! Also we may be able to offer more kid a quid games to try and entice future generations with a bigger capacity. Planning might not be an issue for replacing the existing tent but the thing that I would be more concerned with is obtaining an increase in capacity. That is the one thing that will draw objections from the local community. In the past we have been given permission for additional seating without an increase in capacity being permitted. Let's hope that record changes. |
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Post by gashead79 on May 11, 2023 17:55:57 GMT
We won’t even sell out at the mem next season unless we’re at the top end. It’s a good idea because we’re nearing capacity at a reduced capacity but why was the restrictions of this reduced capacity not in place for the last game? The stands not needed I’d rather see focus on the playing squad and securing the fruit market. Interesting view. I doubt we'd take out a loan to buy a player mind. Our facilities are a shambles so this is welcome imo. Even if they give the whole thing to away fans when the opportunity arises,that's better than the embarrassing tents. |
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Post by gashead1981 on May 11, 2023 20:14:09 GMT
Just doing some rough maths on it all. Having done some sponsorship at the mem myself over the years I know what the rate card is for sponsoring stands etc. Brunel would have paid around £12k for the season sponsorship of the south stand and the Southwest stand would have been in the region of £7k per season. Given that the new stand will in effect be one stand, larger, with more of a presence I could imagine the cost of that would be about £20k per season. Add in the ticket cost per seat per match would give you a real base figure. 3500 seats x £22.00 x 23 games = £1.77m per season. Add in match day revenue from food and drink. I don't know what that figure is but if every seat spent £4.50 that's £15.7k x 23 = £362k. Then of course there is the possibility of blue ribband cup games should we progress to the big club rounds to add to the revenue. So a new stand will gross us around £2.2m per season, meaning that if it costs £5m to build it would be paid for after year 3 but we can spread the liability further for a cost of 3%, say 5 years and maximise the cash flow into the playing budget and gives us much greater flexibility fiscally. The pressure on the club though would be to perform on the pitch and make this a draw for fans, but given that we have put 12k in the stadium when we were in the conference then we should be able to do it in L1. You based your figures on the stand being full every game, but even the tents were only full for less than half the games this last season, so i doubt the new larger stand will be full for every game, unless Barton works a miracle and we are top of the table all season. In some ways you’re correct. I’ve also probably undervalued the per head additional revenue spend. It was to give an assumptive idea rather than accurate figures. There’s an argument that with better facilities you’ll naturally draw more people. For example the kids I’m sure would rather sit down than stand up where they do now, it should encourage more families. Disabled people will be better catered for. The segregation can be moved to allow for more home or away fans. If Joey fulfills on his promise, we’ll fill it easily. If he doesn’t we won’t see the benefits straight away, but nothing ventured, nothing gained. |
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Post by richie on May 12, 2023 8:44:35 GMT
anyone think its related to FFP, spreading the liability/Expense over 3-5 years.
This in theory would give us more to spend shorter-term
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2023 9:28:20 GMT
anyone think its related to FFP, spreading the liability/Expense over 3-5 years. This in theory would give us more to spend shorter-term No. |
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Post by stuart1974 on May 12, 2023 10:19:26 GMT
anyone think its related to FFP, spreading the liability/Expense over 3-5 years. This in theory would give us more to spend shorter-term Iirc infrastructure spending is not included. It may free up some cash flow but it's unlikely to have an impact on FFP. |
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Post by heartofgas on May 12, 2023 14:20:58 GMT
It's interesting reading the comments in the post. So many experts who know nothing about anything. As long as it doesn't affect the playing side and we get a reasonable stand then there's no problem with it in my book.
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Post by Topper Gas on May 12, 2023 14:51:26 GMT
Hopefully it will affect the playing side in that more fans though the turnstiles means more money given to JB for his playing budget, FFP would apply to any increase.
I assume that the intentions anyway rather than just give away supporters a nice new stand to sit in!!
Pretty sure if Rovers handled the PR better it would silence the likes of Michael Rooney i.e. why not announce we're taking out a loan with Nationwide and have a quote from their MD saying how excited they are to be working with Rovers in financing the new stand.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2023 14:54:30 GMT
Hopefully it will affect the playing side in that more fans though the turnstiles means more money given to JB for his playing budget, FFP would apply to any increase. I assume that the intentions anyway rather than just give away supporters a nice new stand to sit in!! Pretty sure if Rovers handled the PR better it would silence the likes of Michael Rooney i.e. why not announce we're taking out a loan with Nationwide and have a quote from their MD saying how excited they are to be working with Rovers in financing the new stand. I don't think their MD wants his name in the press again anytime soon but I agree with your thoughts. |
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