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Jul 20, 2023 22:39:40 GMT
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 20, 2023 22:39:40 GMT
Id say that to be any form of leader, be it in an army, company, a sports person or a coach you need to have dominance and a lack of emotion. This is exactly what I mean by what is "toxic masculinity". If you remove one of those traits from every successful man alive he wouldn't be the successful man he is. The same goes for females. I've worked with some absolutely brilliant women, and I would say dominance and strength were their overriding personality traits. Is that toxic femininity at play? Was it a bad thing? Not in the workplace, they were utterly brilliant at what they did and they had my full respect even if others (men and women) didn't like the way they were. To you 1981 and Gastafari. You say lack of emotion is "essential" Do you really believe that a lack of empathy is possible in a good leader? Everybody has emotions. I believe not letting peopke see your emotions are essential in certain things absolutely. Empathy I suppose it depends on the circumstances as well? For instance if you were a leader of any kind would you show empathy to say Tucker Carlson? Andrew Tate? Donald Trump?......Joey Barton??? |
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 21, 2023 6:33:50 GMT
Id say that to be any form of leader, be it in an army, company, a sports person or a coach you need to have dominance and a lack of emotion. This is exactly what I mean by what is "toxic masculinity". If you remove one of those traits from every successful man alive he wouldn't be the successful man he is. The same goes for females. I've worked with some absolutely brilliant women, and I would say dominance and strength were their overriding personality traits. Is that toxic femininity at play? Was it a bad thing? Not in the workplace, they were utterly brilliant at what they did and they had my full respect even if others (men and women) didn't like the way they were. To you 1981 and Gastafari. You say lack of emotion is "essential" Do you really believe that a lack of empathy is possible in a good leader? That's rubbish,my own personal experience and what made me successful in leadership positions was being able to display Passion, empathy and a bit of charisma. |
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Jul 21, 2023 6:38:42 GMT
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Post by oldie on Jul 21, 2023 6:38:42 GMT
To you 1981 and Gastafari. You say lack of emotion is "essential" Do you really believe that a lack of empathy is possible in a good leader? That's rubbish,my own personal experience and what made me successful in leadership positions was being able to display Passion, empathy and a bit of charisma. Good morning Clive I presume you were responding to our friend Gastafari. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 21, 2023 6:58:42 GMT
Id say that to be any form of leader, be it in an army, company, a sports person or a coach you need to have dominance and a lack of emotion. This is exactly what I mean by what is "toxic masculinity". If you remove one of those traits from every successful man alive he wouldn't be the successful man he is. The same goes for females. I've worked with some absolutely brilliant women, and I would say dominance and strength were their overriding personality traits. Is that toxic femininity at play? Was it a bad thing? Not in the workplace, they were utterly brilliant at what they did and they had my full respect even if others (men and women) didn't like the way they were. To you 1981 and Gastafari. You say lack of emotion is "essential" Do you really believe that a lack of empathy is possible in a good leader? Where did I say that? Someone who has empathy has the ability to feel the pain of another. Just because some people aren’t emotional by nature doesn’t devoid them of being able to understand that others might be affected a certain way. |
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Jul 21, 2023 6:59:29 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 21, 2023 6:59:29 GMT
To you 1981 and Gastafari. You say lack of emotion is "essential" Do you really believe that a lack of empathy is possible in a good leader? That's rubbish,my own personal experience and what made me successful in leadership positions was being able to display Passion, empathy and a bit of charisma. Too true. Wasn't it Ferguson who said success was 90% man management and 10% tactics? He did pretty well. Don't confuse the public persona with what happens in private. As you'll know, many of the greatest generals inspired their soldiers and cared deeply for them, including the greatest general we had, Bristol's own Bill Slim. |
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Jul 21, 2023 7:01:37 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 21, 2023 7:01:37 GMT
To you 1981 and Gastafari. You say lack of emotion is "essential" Do you really believe that a lack of empathy is possible in a good leader? Where did I say that? Someone who has empathy has the ability to feel the pain of another. Just because some people aren’t emotional by nature doesn’t devoid them of being able to understand that others might be affected a certain way. Here? "Id say that to be any form of leader, be it in an army, company, a sports person or a coach you need to have dominance and a lack of emotion." |
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Jul 21, 2023 7:11:09 GMT
Post by peterparker on Jul 21, 2023 7:11:09 GMT
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Jul 21, 2023 7:20:37 GMT
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 21, 2023 7:20:37 GMT
That's rubbish,my own personal experience and what made me successful in leadership positions was being able to display Passion, empathy and a bit of charisma. Good morning Clive I presume you were responding to our friend Gastafari. Morning Les,yes I was , Leadership is a complex skill set ,not one dimensional,it took many years for me to "get it",the key for me was to understand me as a person and why I reacted/Responded to circumstances in the way that I did. MBTI was a great tool for that and gave me the tool kit to work on what I was not good at . |
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 21, 2023 7:24:43 GMT
That's rubbish,my own personal experience and what made me successful in leadership positions was being able to display Passion, empathy and a bit of charisma. Too true. Wasn't it Ferguson who said success was 90% man management and 10% tactics? He did pretty well. Don't confuse the public persona with what happens in private. As you'll know, many of the greatest generals inspired their soldiers and cared deeply for them, including the greatest general we had, Bristol's own Bill Slim. Absolutely right Stuart, understanding what motivates people,how each individual wants to be managed is critical in building a successful team,all underpinned by trust. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 21, 2023 7:41:53 GMT
Good morning Clive I presume you were responding to our friend Gastafari. Morning Les,yes I was , Leadership is a complex skill set ,not one dimensional,it took many years for me to "get it",the key for me was to understand me as a person and why I reacted/Responded to circumstances in the way that I did. MBTI was a great tool for that and gave me the tool kit to work on what I was not good at . You can probably add to that Bruce Tuckman's stages of team development, something I was able to witness and use myself. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Jul 21, 2023 7:47:29 GMT
Where did I say that? Someone who has empathy has the ability to feel the pain of another. Just because some people aren’t emotional by nature doesn’t devoid them of being able to understand that others might be affected a certain way. Here? "Id say that to be any form of leader, be it in an army, company, a sports person or a coach you need to have dominance and a lack of emotion." A lack of emotion is totally different to a lack of empathy or sympathy. Just because you can pull emotion out of a situation to think clearly and concisely and see through a situation doesn’t mean you cannot understand how it may affect others. |
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Post by DrFaustus on Jul 21, 2023 7:56:09 GMT
This thread reads like a willy waving contest.
Bring on the football.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 21, 2023 7:58:34 GMT
Here? "Id say that to be any form of leader, be it in an army, company, a sports person or a coach you need to have dominance and a lack of emotion." A lack of emotion is totally different to a lack of empathy or sympathy. Just because you can pull emotion out of a situation to think clearly and concisely and see through a situation doesn’t mean you cannot understand how it may affect others. You don’t have to have a lack of emotion to make tough decisions. I think you are meaning showing overt emotion in public which is different to lacking it. |
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Jul 21, 2023 8:12:20 GMT
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Post by trevorgas on Jul 21, 2023 8:12:20 GMT
Morning Les,yes I was , Leadership is a complex skill set ,not one dimensional,it took many years for me to "get it",the key for me was to understand me as a person and why I reacted/Responded to circumstances in the way that I did. MBTI was a great tool for that and gave me the tool kit to work on what I was not good at . You can probably add to that Bruce Tuckman's stages of team development, something I was able to witness and use myself. Agree Stuart,my view is if you don't understand yourself how can you expect to understand and lead others. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 21, 2023 8:38:17 GMT
You can probably add to that Bruce Tuckman's stages of team development, something I was able to witness and use myself. Agree Stuart,my view is if you don't understand yourself how can you expect to understand and lead others. As Charles Kingsley wrote in The Water-Babies, Mrs DoAsYouWouldBeDoneBy. A mantra that struck a cord aged 5 that I've long tried to follow since. Not always successfully but you learn. |
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Post by oldie on Jul 21, 2023 8:41:20 GMT
This thread reads like a willy waving contest. Bring on the football. You are not forced to read nor then need to contribute |
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Post by oldie on Jul 21, 2023 8:42:01 GMT
A lack of emotion is totally different to a lack of empathy or sympathy. Just because you can pull emotion out of a situation to think clearly and concisely and see through a situation doesn’t mean you cannot understand how it may affect others. You don’t have to have a lack of emotion to make tough decisions. I think you are meaning showing overt emotion in public which is different to lacking it. Precisely put |
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Jul 21, 2023 8:47:54 GMT
Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jul 21, 2023 8:47:54 GMT
This thread reads like a willy waving contest. Bring on the football. Yes please ! ⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️💙💙💙💙💙💙Utg |
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Post by oldie on Jul 21, 2023 8:49:37 GMT
You can probably add to that Bruce Tuckman's stages of team development, something I was able to witness and use myself. Agree Stuart,my view is if you don't understand yourself how can you expect to understand and lead others. I wonder, out loud, if Mr Barton understands that concept? Or do we think, as I suspect, that to understand himself causes a multitude of conflicting emotions when confronting his past? I think many of us could justifiably say that about ourselves. But as Trevorgas points out, we learn and most importantly learn to recognise ourselves in order to improve. I believe this is an age related process, experience and lessons overcoming the blind bravado of youth/young adulthood. I would say Mr Barton is beyond the point where this should have kicked in. |
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Jul 21, 2023 8:55:58 GMT
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Post by Gastafari on Jul 21, 2023 8:55:58 GMT
Good morning Clive I presume you were responding to our friend Gastafari. Morning Les,yes I was , Leadership is a complex skill set ,not one dimensional,it took many years for me to "get it",the key for me was to understand me as a person and why I reacted/Responded to circumstances in the way that I did. MBTI was a great tool for that and gave me the tool kit to work on what I was not good at . Eh? What comment of mine were you supposed to be replying too? I don't believe I have mentioned anything about 'leadership' have I? |
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