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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2023 21:41:05 GMT
Rovers in the Community……….
Our head of it resigns from the Carnival over them selling a gun t shirt………his clubs signs a man who hit a women and spat in her face.
His manager now references Andrew Tate, check out this tweet?!?!
As Tyson Fury would say, this is proper Banned word behaviour!
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Jul 12, 2023 21:54:37 GMT
Post by warwickgas on Jul 12, 2023 21:54:37 GMT
Newbie eh ? Can I smell sh*t?
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Jul 12, 2023 21:57:52 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2023 21:57:52 GMT
Newbie eh ? Can I smell sh*t? You referencing me? Not new, many on here know me. What’s your view on the manager and Tutton’s comments? Banned word central for me, that includes the CEO as well |
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Jul 12, 2023 22:12:47 GMT
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Post by kylegas on Jul 12, 2023 22:12:47 GMT
Not quite sure of your point but I would say. Mr Barton is the face of the club, and I get annoyed with some of his comments that eventually make the press. He is reported as Joe Barton Manager of Bristol Rovers, this alone leads to people asking me about stuff as they know I support Rovers. I therefore think that people have consequences when posting on social media, and those consequences will be greater the higher profile one has. I am not sure what planet some people are on. The guy is a football coach at Bristol Rovers - he is not the Pope or some moral crusader whose very voice influences many young minds. He doesnt ask people to follow him or obey his every word - You could even argue that the negativity that generally surrounds him in the media would put people off listening to him. He is absolutely entitled to a private life and to his own opinions. Why shouldn't he flag articles or debates that he may find interesting - he is not alone as over 768, 000 people have watched that clip, 147 have shared it and 205 even liked it - are you trying to tell me that they should be rebuked depending upon who they are and what their job is? The irony is that he hasn't says he agrees with anything only that he finds it interesting and you know what he was right to say that . if more people took the time to understand the views of people they may not agree with then perhaps there would be more compromise and less confrontation Actually a great point in my opinion, even disagreeing with someone’s opinion is taking an interest in the point they’re making, and thinking something is worth debating isn’t necessarily agreeing with it either, it doesn’t look like Joey has posted anything that’s worth losing your head over |
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Post by Westy on Jul 12, 2023 22:27:13 GMT
How can anybody be defending him on this sh**. If he said he found Hitler interesting, would you be saying ‘oh he didn’t necessarily agree with Adolf, just that he found some points interesting’! Ffs! Hitler was a war criminal I mean, a lot of people still find history and WW2 interesting, without thinking it would be great to have another go |
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Jul 12, 2023 22:42:09 GMT
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Post by straighouttabristol on Jul 12, 2023 22:42:09 GMT
Still legally not been found guilty though have they? I don’t care about them or watch their interviews but everyone is innocent till proven guilty and if someone finds one of their interviews interesting whether they’re a worker in a factory or a football manager that’s their prerogative it’s not a big deal. We seem to do fine signing players so I don’t think Barton’s reputation is scaring them off JB's tweet had 1.3m views already, and 100's of critical responses, how many views would your average factory worker get, 10, if he was lucky? Depends if he has an only fans |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 12, 2023 23:11:41 GMT
Started listening and … I was interested in what was being said. Doesn’t mean I agree with it though, nor even the interviewer with Andrew Tate. I only got a minute and a half in before getting bored as I don’t have the hour and a half to listen to this.
The theme was young lads are struggling to find motivation. Which by any metric seems to be true.
I understand Andrew Tate is controversial for misogynistic statements. However not personally seen any evidence for this and to be fair I’m not interested in seeing it. What I will say though is it is possible to explore peoples ideas without encouraging or agreeing with them. And that a broken clock is right twice a day! Even if it’s wrong for the rest of the day.
Seems to me we need to encourage critical thinking and taking each argument as it comes. This way is the only way to truly suppress extreme thoughts.
On a side note, the thing with Joey on social media is he reposts what can only be described as sh** trying to come across as intellectual but it fails.
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Post by Westy on Jul 12, 2023 23:23:04 GMT
Started listening and … I was interested in what was being said. Doesn’t mean I agree with it though, nor even the interviewer with Andrew Tate. I only got a minute and a half in before getting bored as I don’t have the hour and a half to listen to this. The theme was young lads are struggling to find motivation. Which by any metric seems to be true. I understand Andrew Tate is controversial for misogynistic statements. However not personally seen any evidence for this and to be fair I’m not interested in seeing it. What I will say though is it is possible to explore peoples ideas without encouraging or agreeing with them. And that a broken clock is right twice a day! Even if it’s wrong for the rest of the day. Seems to me we need to encourage critical thinking and taking each argument as it comes. This way is the only way to truly suppress extreme thoughts. On a side note, the thing with Joey on social media is he reposts what can only be described as sh** trying to come across as intellectual but it fails. Very well said, and I completely agree. For example - I'm extremely far-left wing (much to some chagrin) but I do enjoy watching people like Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, Piers Morgan, Brett Cooper, London Real amongst others. Whilst I disagree on a lot of what comes out of these guys mouths - they are intelligent, articulate and passionate about their beliefs. I try to actually listen to those on different view points, and appreciate when someone is able to string a coherent and well thought counter narrative to my own. I can guarantee you that nobody on this thread has watched the full Tucker clip that Barton shared, and that's something across the whole internet. Everybody hates Jordan Peterson but I bet they've never read his books, watched his interviews and lectures and listened to his conversations on podcasts. But they'll said "he's this and that because I read it on Facebook". |
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Post by kylegas on Jul 13, 2023 0:16:43 GMT
Started listening and … I was interested in what was being said. Doesn’t mean I agree with it though, nor even the interviewer with Andrew Tate. I only got a minute and a half in before getting bored as I don’t have the hour and a half to listen to this. The theme was young lads are struggling to find motivation. Which by any metric seems to be true. I understand Andrew Tate is controversial for misogynistic statements. However not personally seen any evidence for this and to be fair I’m not interested in seeing it. What I will say though is it is possible to explore peoples ideas without encouraging or agreeing with them. And that a broken clock is right twice a day! Even if it’s wrong for the rest of the day. Seems to me we need to encourage critical thinking and taking each argument as it comes. This way is the only way to truly suppress extreme thoughts. On a side note, the thing with Joey on social media is he reposts what can only be described as sh** trying to come across as intellectual but it fails. From what I understand, the best way to train a dog is to praise the good rather than punish the bad, maybe the same can apply with people? Lol in all seriousness though very good post |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Jul 13, 2023 3:40:14 GMT
I can't pretend to know anything about the people JB has referenced in his tweet or whatever you call it but fwiw there are many historical people of note or notoriety such as eg Hitler, Henry 8, so on and so on who's stories i find interesting, who wouldn't be interested in how on earth they managed to achieve the fame/infamy they did when to the average human there ambitions and ethos were so abhorrent, no right minded individual would agree with them but millions of folk of much higher academic and intellectual standing than JB would i am sure find there stories interesting, so on this occasion i find JB not guilty.!
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Post by peterparker on Jul 13, 2023 4:36:40 GMT
Started listening and … I was interested in what was being said. Doesn’t mean I agree with it though, nor even the interviewer with Andrew Tate. I only got a minute and a half in before getting bored as I don’t have the hour and a half to listen to this. The theme was young lads are struggling to find motivation. Which by any metric seems to be true. I understand Andrew Tate is controversial for misogynistic statements. However not personally seen any evidence for this and to be fair I’m not interested in seeing it. What I will say though is it is possible to explore peoples ideas without encouraging or agreeing with them. And that a broken clock is right twice a day! Even if it’s wrong for the rest of the day. Seems to me we need to encourage critical thinking and taking each argument as it comes. This way is the only way to truly suppress extreme thoughts. On a side note, the thing with Joey on social media is he reposts what can only be described as sh** trying to come across as intellectual but it fails. Um, but that is part of the problem. Maybe he did find something interesting in it. However he hasnt elaborated on what, which leaves ot open to interpretation. Pretty sure anyone can see the problem there given all the things that surround Andrew Tate, not least someone who whom should be self aware of his own controversies and literally the noise about a club signing in the past couple of weeks I am sure he knows what he is doing, because Barton is an attention seeking arsehole As I said, he cant be the "why always me guy?" Without realising he os bringing it on himself surely |
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Jul 13, 2023 5:40:32 GMT
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Post by oldie on Jul 13, 2023 5:40:32 GMT
Started listening and … I was interested in what was being said. Doesn’t mean I agree with it though, nor even the interviewer with Andrew Tate. I only got a minute and a half in before getting bored as I don’t have the hour and a half to listen to this. The theme was young lads are struggling to find motivation. Which by any metric seems to be true. I understand Andrew Tate is controversial for misogynistic statements. However not personally seen any evidence for this and to be fair I’m not interested in seeing it. What I will say though is it is possible to explore peoples ideas without encouraging or agreeing with them. And that a broken clock is right twice a day! Even if it’s wrong for the rest of the day. Seems to me we need to encourage critical thinking and taking each argument as it comes. This way is the only way to truly suppress extreme thoughts. On a side note, the thing with Joey on social media is he reposts what can only be described as sh** trying to come across as intellectual but it fails. Um, but that is part of the problem. Maybe he did find something interesting in it. However he hasnt elaborated on what, which leaves ot open to interpretation. Pretty sure anyone can see the problem there given all the things that surround Andrew Tate, not least someone who whom should be self aware of his own controversies and literally the noise about a club signing in the past couple of weeks I am sure he knows what he is doing, because Barton is an attention seeking arsehole As I said, he cant be the "why always me guy?" Without realising he os bringing it on himself surely Exactly |
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 13, 2023 7:04:19 GMT
Started listening and … I was interested in what was being said. Doesn’t mean I agree with it though, nor even the interviewer with Andrew Tate. I only got a minute and a half in before getting bored as I don’t have the hour and a half to listen to this. The theme was young lads are struggling to find motivation. Which by any metric seems to be true. I understand Andrew Tate is controversial for misogynistic statements. However not personally seen any evidence for this and to be fair I’m not interested in seeing it. What I will say though is it is possible to explore peoples ideas without encouraging or agreeing with them. And that a broken clock is right twice a day! Even if it’s wrong for the rest of the day. Seems to me we need to encourage critical thinking and taking each argument as it comes. This way is the only way to truly suppress extreme thoughts. On a side note, the thing with Joey on social media is he reposts what can only be described as sh** trying to come across as intellectual but it fails. Um, but that is part of the problem. Maybe he did find something interesting in it. However he hasnt elaborated on what, which leaves ot open to interpretation. Pretty sure anyone can see the problem there given all the things that surround Andrew Tate, not least someone who whom should be self aware of his own controversies and literally the noise about a club signing in the past couple of weeks I am sure he knows what he is doing, because Barton is an attention seeking arsehole As I said, he cant be the "why always me guy?" Without realising he os bringing it on himself surely That’s assuming he knows what he’s doing. Like I say watch his Instagram and it’s an endless feed of reposted “motivational” rubbish which tires pretty quickly. You can’t expect everyone to know who’s in the bad list of offensive characters and slam them for reposting their ideas if what has been shared in this instance is on the face of it innocent enough. Like I said, I haven’t watched this clip but if it continues like it was in the first 90 seconds or so it seemed to be raising the problem of young males in society struggling to find identity and motivation. Which you only need to take a look at exam results and read headlines on individuals like the young man from Plymouth - described as a term I hate (incel) - who ended up going on a shooting spree to see that this is patently true. And something like this is panacea to Barton. Andrew Tate might not be the right vehicle for the discussion but you can’t immediately assume that Joey aligns with his wider views and perspectives simply because he has shared without context a single video. Misguided, maybe, but this is a mountain out of a molehill. |
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Post by peterparker on Jul 13, 2023 7:36:50 GMT
Um, but that is part of the problem. Maybe he did find something interesting in it. However he hasnt elaborated on what, which leaves ot open to interpretation. Pretty sure anyone can see the problem there given all the things that surround Andrew Tate, not least someone who whom should be self aware of his own controversies and literally the noise about a club signing in the past couple of weeks I am sure he knows what he is doing, because Barton is an attention seeking arsehole As I said, he cant be the "why always me guy?" Without realising he os bringing it on himself surely That’s assuming he knows what he’s doing. Like I say watch his Instagram and it’s an endless feed of reposted “motivational” rubbish which tires pretty quickly. You can’t expect everyone to know who’s in the bad list of offensive characters and slam them for reposting their ideas if what has been shared in this instance is on the face of it innocent enough. Like I said, I haven’t watched this clip but if it continues like it was in the first 90 seconds or so it seemed to be raising the problem of young males in society struggling to find identity and motivation. Which you only need to take a look at exam results and read headlines on individuals like the young man from Plymouth - described as a term I hate (incel) - who ended up going on a shooting spree to see that this is patently true. And something like this is panacea to Barton. Andrew Tate might not be the right vehicle for the discussion but you can’t immediately assume that Joey aligns with his wider views and perspectives simply because he has shared without context a single video. Misguided, maybe, but this is a mountain out of a molehill. mountains and molehills? maybe if it was one thing, but it's one thing after another. I am not saying he aligns himself entirely with Tate, but in the past few months He has given credence to varying degrees to Carlson, Rogan, Tate, cancel culture. liking videos by Robert Kennedy Bloke is going down the Lambert and Le Tissier route slowly |
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Jul 13, 2023 7:42:42 GMT
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Post by gasandelectricity on Jul 13, 2023 7:42:42 GMT
That’s assuming he knows what he’s doing. Like I say watch his Instagram and it’s an endless feed of reposted “motivational” rubbish which tires pretty quickly. You can’t expect everyone to know who’s in the bad list of offensive characters and slam them for reposting their ideas if what has been shared in this instance is on the face of it innocent enough. Like I said, I haven’t watched this clip but if it continues like it was in the first 90 seconds or so it seemed to be raising the problem of young males in society struggling to find identity and motivation. Which you only need to take a look at exam results and read headlines on individuals like the young man from Plymouth - described as a term I hate (incel) - who ended up going on a shooting spree to see that this is patently true. And something like this is panacea to Barton. Andrew Tate might not be the right vehicle for the discussion but you can’t immediately assume that Joey aligns with his wider views and perspectives simply because he has shared without context a single video. Misguided, maybe, but this is a mountain out of a molehill. mountains and molehills? maybe if it was one thing, but it's one thing after another. I am not saying he aligns himself entirely with Tate, but in the past few months He has given credence to varying degrees to Carlson, Rogan, Tate, cancel culture. liking videos by Robert Kennedy Bloke is going down the Lambert and Le Tissier route slowly But on the flip side it seems to me he also likes a lot of what would be considered left leaning content too? (Can’t give you examples because I’m not keeping track - far better things to do). Seems to me the guy shares anything which seems in his eyes to be progressive. Quite desperate for approval on that front it seems to me. |
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Post by straighouttabristol on Jul 13, 2023 8:17:10 GMT
That’s assuming he knows what he’s doing. Like I say watch his Instagram and it’s an endless feed of reposted “motivational” rubbish which tires pretty quickly. You can’t expect everyone to know who’s in the bad list of offensive characters and slam them for reposting their ideas if what has been shared in this instance is on the face of it innocent enough. Like I said, I haven’t watched this clip but if it continues like it was in the first 90 seconds or so it seemed to be raising the problem of young males in society struggling to find identity and motivation. Which you only need to take a look at exam results and read headlines on individuals like the young man from Plymouth - described as a term I hate (incel) - who ended up going on a shooting spree to see that this is patently true. And something like this is panacea to Barton. Andrew Tate might not be the right vehicle for the discussion but you can’t immediately assume that Joey aligns with his wider views and perspectives simply because he has shared without context a single video. Misguided, maybe, but this is a mountain out of a molehill. mountains and molehills? maybe if it was one thing, but it's one thing after another. I am not saying he aligns himself entirely with Tate, but in the past few months He has given credence to varying degrees to Carlson, Rogan, Tate, cancel culture. liking videos by Robert Kennedy Bloke is going down the Lambert and Le Tissier route slowly The thing is some people might look at your opinions and people you support and listen to and think you’re wrong, everyone has different views and opinions which are their right and should be respected. I used to get loads of abuse for supporting Corbyn over Johnson and look how that turned out. Same with Le tiss and lambert they have their views and opinions which to be honest a lot over the past year some have been proven to be correct so whether you agree with them they are entitled to those opinions. These days people only believe in their own agenda and can’t believe it possible for others to have a different one. I believe you can learn more from listening to opinion and views of someone you don’t support and share their views than constantly listening to someone as likeminded as you |
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Post by peterparker on Jul 13, 2023 8:25:20 GMT
mountains and molehills? maybe if it was one thing, but it's one thing after another. I am not saying he aligns himself entirely with Tate, but in the past few months He has given credence to varying degrees to Carlson, Rogan, Tate, cancel culture. liking videos by Robert Kennedy Bloke is going down the Lambert and Le Tissier route slowly The thing is some people might look at your opinions and people you support and listen to and think you’re wrong, everyone has different views and opinions which are their right and should be respected. I used to get loads of abuse for supporting Corbyn over Johnson and look how that turned out. Same with Le tiss and lambert they have their views and opinions which to be honest a lot over the past year some have been proven to be correct so whether you agree with them they are entitled to those opinions. These days people only believe in their own agenda and can’t believe it possible for others to have a different one. I believe you can learn more from listening to opinion and views of someone you don’t support and share their views than constantly listening to someone as likeminded as you absolutely agree with listening to other people and taking opinions And lets go back to the point. Barton offered zero opinion other than "food for thought" and "interesting" and whether he intended to or not he has given credence to a Misogynist and alleged sex trafficker Now people might think that's nothing, but if I was Wael or Gorringe, I don't think I would want my manager endorsing anything Andrew Tate (charged with rape and sex trafficking) has to say no matter how "Interesting" |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2023 8:33:42 GMT
The thing is some people might look at your opinions and people you support and listen to and think you’re wrong, everyone has different views and opinions which are their right and should be respected. I used to get loads of abuse for supporting Corbyn over Johnson and look how that turned out. Same with Le tiss and lambert they have their views and opinions which to be honest a lot over the past year some have been proven to be correct so whether you agree with them they are entitled to those opinions. These days people only believe in their own agenda and can’t believe it possible for others to have a different one. I believe you can learn more from listening to opinion and views of someone you don’t support and share their views than constantly listening to someone as likeminded as you absolutely agree with listening to other people and taking opinions And lets go back to the point. Barton offered zero opinion other than "food for thought" and "interesting" and whether he intended to or not he has given credence to a Misogynist and alleged sex trafficker Now people might think that's nothing, but if I was Wael or Gorringe, I don't think I would want my manager endorsing anything Andrew Tate (charged with rape and sex trafficking) has to say no matter how "Interesting" you always go back to the point. Does anything else interest you in the club?like the football? |
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Jul 13, 2023 8:44:01 GMT
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Post by oldie on Jul 13, 2023 8:44:01 GMT
absolutely agree with listening to other people and taking opinions And lets go back to the point. Barton offered zero opinion other than "food for thought" and "interesting" and whether he intended to or not he has given credence to a Misogynist and alleged sex trafficker Now people might think that's nothing, but if I was Wael or Gorringe, I don't think I would want my manager endorsing anything Andrew Tate (charged with rape and sex trafficking) has to say no matter how "Interesting" you always go back to the point. Does anything else interest you in the club?like the football? Oh god |
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Post by oldie on Jul 13, 2023 8:50:51 GMT
The thing is some people might look at your opinions and people you support and listen to and think you’re wrong, everyone has different views and opinions which are their right and should be respected. I used to get loads of abuse for supporting Corbyn over Johnson and look how that turned out. Same with Le tiss and lambert they have their views and opinions which to be honest a lot over the past year some have been proven to be correct so whether you agree with them they are entitled to those opinions. These days people only believe in their own agenda and can’t believe it possible for others to have a different one. I believe you can learn more from listening to opinion and views of someone you don’t support and share their views than constantly listening to someone as likeminded as you absolutely agree with listening to other people and taking opinions And lets go back to the point. Barton offered zero opinion other than "food for thought" and "interesting" and whether he intended to or not he has given credence to a Misogynist and alleged sex trafficker Now people might think that's nothing, but if I was Wael or Gorringe, I don't think I would want my manager endorsing anything Andrew Tate (charged with rape and sex trafficking) has to say no matter how "Interesting" This is the main issue. Tate is up on a charge of rape and sex trafficking. How, in those circumstances, can anyone take his views seriously let alone "interesting"? I am with you PP, bring the organisation you work for into disrepute. Gross misconduct during my working life. Barton is entitled to his opinions but he is a public figure in Bristol, a role where young people follow his organisation and listen to what he says. Anyone with half a brain, or empathy for young people, male and female, would be cognizant of that and be more careful. Not Barton, a man who is a legend in his own psycho fantasy. |
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