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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jul 22, 2023 15:57:21 GMT
Ok fair enough š just really not impressed with Belshaw anymore ! šutg
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jul 22, 2023 16:00:06 GMT
The feedback from his time at Hungerford was that he was a great shot stopper, but did not look confident on crosses. In league 1 teams will pick up on that and pile balls into the box to put him under pressure. Its probably not something he would have encountered that much at youth level. A season in the National league should help his experience. Ok fair enough ! šjust not impressed with Belshaw anymore! šutg |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 22, 2023 16:05:29 GMT
Looking at the very brief highlights its worry how many free headers our opponents had in our box, whilst attacking wise we look stronger JB still hasn't really addressed our defensive weaknesses in that we need a dominant CH and a more reliable goalie.
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Jul 22, 2023 16:11:12 GMT
Seems like that on the highlights, canāt really judge on such brief footage šUtg
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2023 16:28:23 GMT
Dear 1990,
The glorious memory of promotion to the Championship still lingers fondly, as does the hoofball to big Dev up front and the memorable spanking of our neighbours at Twerton on a balmy Tuesday or Wednesday evening.
It's now 2023, skill and ability have vastly improved at all levels of professional football.
Unfortunately, since then, the internet has developed and allowed Gasheads to analyse in great detail and critique moments in meaningless friendlies.
As was the case in your glorious year, friendlies are still arranged solely for the purpose of increasing player fitness, as has always been the case.
Finally 1990, can I please come back as 2023 isn't making much sense, common sense and logic appear to have dissapeared completely.
Yours sincerely, 2023.
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Post by fanboy on Jul 22, 2023 16:38:43 GMT
This was more concerning š¬  True but he shouldnāt have been played the ball there with the very high press like that on him and where was the angle from the defenders to give him an easy option to pass to? He had nothing on from what I could see? Blaming Luca for this is a cop out. Sorry but this one was on Belly, total panic from him. He could have got rid. Passed it straight to their player ffs! |
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Post by bridgwatergas on Jul 22, 2023 16:54:01 GMT
True but he shouldnāt have been played the ball there with the very high press like that on him and where was the angle from the defenders to give him an easy option to pass to? He had nothing on from what I could see? Blaming Luca for this is a cop out. Sorry but this one was on Belly, total panic from him. He could have got rid. Passed it straight to their player ffs! But he jumped on the crossbar and clapped at the Thatchers so it can't be his fault. More and more of these mistakes are happening and people still try and make excuses for him. It's the way we plays fault,it's how he is coached blah blah blah. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 22, 2023 16:54:54 GMT
Dear 1990, The glorious memory of promotion to the Championship still lingers fondly, as does the hoofball to big Dev up front and the memorable spanking of our neighbours at Twerton on a balmy Tuesday or Wednesday evening. It's now 2023, skill and ability have vastly improved at all levels of professional football. Unfortunately, since then, the internet has developed and allowed Gasheads to analyse in great detail and critique moments in meaningless friendlies. As was the case in your glorious year, friendlies are still arranged solely for the purpose of increasing player fitness, as has always been the case.Finally 1990, can I please come back as 2023 isn't making much sense, common sense and logic appear to have dissapeared completely. Yours sincerely, 2023. If that's really the case why is JB starting with the same 11 player every match and giving them 60 mins plus and the rest 30 mins max? Why isn't it changing the starting 11 so they all get the same (fitness) game time? It seems to me he's concentrating on what's likely to be the starting 11 v Pompey in order to get them use to playing as a team. Regardless last season's weaknesses are still being highlighted, we still don't have a dominant CH, Belshaw still makes mistakes which costs us goals but we have no problem scoring goals. |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Jul 22, 2023 17:02:20 GMT
True but he shouldnāt have been played the ball there with the very high press like that on him and where was the angle from the defenders to give him an easy option to pass to? He had nothing on from what I could see? Blaming Luca for this is a cop out. Sorry but this one was on Belly, total panic from him. He could have got rid. Passed it straight to their player ffs! Not blaming Luca for the mistake Belly made - he should have hoofed it - but just trying to explain that itās not black and white. Hoole is also culpable as he shouldnāt have played it back and when he did he should have then made the angle which he didnāt. Yes Belly should have leathered it but hindsight is a wonderful thing. There is coaching there for everyone. |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Jul 22, 2023 17:06:03 GMT
Blaming Luca for this is a cop out. Sorry but this one was on Belly, total panic from him. He could have got rid. Passed it straight to their player ffs! But he jumped on the crossbar and clapped at the Thatchers so it can't be his fault. More and more of these mistakes are happening and people still try and make excuses for him. It's the way we plays fault,it's how he is coached blah blah blah. Give it a rest Bridgwater - no one thinks heās a good keeper for this level just because he claps the Thatchersā¦ we think heās a good keeper because he is and League 1 keepers will make mistakes - thatās why heās in League 1. My challenge is, in your opinion who would be a better keeper at that Level!? I canāt think of many if any? Certainly not any who havenāt equally made mistakes like Belly has? |
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Post by bridgwatergas on Jul 22, 2023 17:11:30 GMT
But he jumped on the crossbar and clapped at the Thatchers so it can't be his fault. More and more of these mistakes are happening and people still try and make excuses for him. It's the way we plays fault,it's how he is coached blah blah blah. Give it a rest Bridgwater - no one thinks heās a good keeper for this level just because he claps the Thatchersā¦ we think heās a good keeper because he is and League 1 keepers will make mistakes - thatās why heās in League 1. My challenge is, in your opinion who would be a better keeper at that Level!? I canāt think of many if any? Certainly not any who havenāt equally made mistakes like Belly has? So the stats which pit him the bottom 5 of keepers last season are wrong. So that means there were 19 better keepers in league 1 last season. |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Jul 22, 2023 17:23:59 GMT
Give it a rest Bridgwater - no one thinks heās a good keeper for this level just because he claps the Thatchersā¦ we think heās a good keeper because he is and League 1 keepers will make mistakes - thatās why heās in League 1. My challenge is, in your opinion who would be a better keeper at that Level!? I canāt think of many if any? Certainly not any who havenāt equally made mistakes like Belly has? So the stats which pit him the bottom 5 of keepers last season are wrong. So that means there were 19 better keepers in league 1 last season. What stats are we using and comparing? As we all know, you can use data to manipulate and create any argument you want? Just interested who these better all round keepers are? |
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Post by eric on Jul 22, 2023 17:34:58 GMT
Whatever happened to āit in doubt, kick it outā Belshaw thinks he's a lot better with his feet than he actually is. Everyone knows if in trouble as a keeper kick it out. Belshaw is a liability and last season was not a good shot stopper. The stats back this up. Just because people like him he gets away with poor form. We need a new goalkeeper that doesn't make ridiculous errors like Belshaw. Seems Belshaw has a dilemma. Try and play out from the back as his Manager wishes or hoof it up the pitch as some fans demand? |
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Post by eric on Jul 22, 2023 17:41:17 GMT
Doesn't every L1 goalie have a mistake in them if they didn't why are they playing L1 football? Assuming Belshaw has no interest in moving on then can we afford to pay for two first choice goalies when we can clearly only play one of them every match, although Belly needs some competition as I doubt he's worried Ward will take his place at the start of this season. I agree every league 1 goalkeeper has a mistake in them, but not making the same mistake lots of times. Belshaw gets caught far too often in possession and he has rushes of blood and comes charging out his area when no need, such as the 2 Exeter games. Of course you can only play one keeper and for me Belshaw over the last year has proved he's not good enough to be keeper for a team trying to make play offs. I canāt remember many times when Belshaw has been caught in possession and conceded a goal. As for ācharging out of his areaā that is what a sweeper keeper has to do if we play a high line - his bravery in coming out has prevented far more one v ones and goals than itās cost us. If he was selfish he could just sit on his line and pass all the blame to his defenders. FWIW I think there may be better options out there than Belshaw and wouldnāt be against someone coming in and taking the No1 shirt. I just think the stick heās been getting since the second part of last season into this preseason is just ridiculously over the top. Is he the best keeper in league one - No. Is he the worst - not even close. |
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Post by sodburygas on Jul 22, 2023 17:43:40 GMT
Belshaw thinks he's a lot better with his feet than he actually is. Everyone knows if in trouble as a keeper kick it out. Belshaw is a liability and last season was not a good shot stopper. The stats back this up. Just because people like him he gets away with poor form. We need a new goalkeeper that doesn't make ridiculous errors like Belshaw. Seems Belshaw has a dilemma. Try and play out from the back as his Manager wishes or hoof it up the pitch as some fans demand?Ā Not demanding him to hoof it unless in trouble. Surely anyone can see it's better than passing straight to a opponent to score a easy goal?. Belshaw made a bad mistake and it's happened too often. He did exactly the same in the cardiff friendly but got away with it. I want the keeper to play from the back but Belshaw isn't good enough. |
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Post by eric on Jul 22, 2023 17:54:33 GMT
Seems Belshaw has a dilemma. Try and play out from the back as his Manager wishes or hoof it up the pitch as some fans demand? Not demanding him to hoof it unless in trouble. Surely anyone can see it's better than passing straight to an opponent to score an easy goal?. Belshaw made a bad mistake and it's happened too often. He did exactly the same in the cardiff friendly but got away with it. I want the keeper to play from the back but Belshaw isn't good enough. I watched every team last season and canāt think of many keepers that were more comfortable on the ball, I also canāt remember many (if any) where heās given the ball away like today and conceded a goal. The manager wants us to play a style of football that carries a degree of risk and needs the players to be brave. The same applies to defenders trying to build play - if every player gets hounded for taking risks weāre heading back towards a Coughlan style of football of getting it as far up the pitch as we can and play from there. Judging by the shouts of āwhack it forwardā from the east terrace every five minutes last season I guess that it what some want? Either that or play a nice brand of football but never, ever dare make a mistake! A couple of keepers have already signed elsewhere. I liked Blackman but heās gone to Buton - that would have meant re-shaping the team because he stays deep. Those who want Belshaw replaced Iād be interested to hear who they think we should sign. |
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Post by mcfee on Jul 22, 2023 18:04:52 GMT
Not demanding him to hoof it unless in trouble. Surely anyone can see it's better than passing straight to an opponent to score an easy goal?. Belshaw made a bad mistake and it's happened too often. He did exactly the same in the cardiff friendly but got away with it. I want the keeper to play from the back but Belshaw isn't good enough. I watched every team last season and canāt think of many keepers that were more comfortable on the ball, I also canāt remember many (if any) where heās given the ball away like today and conceded a goal. The manager wants us to play a style of football that carries a degree of risk and needs the players to be brave. The same applies to defenders trying to build play - if every player gets hounded for taking risks weāre heading back towards a Coughlan style of football of getting it as far up the pitch as we can and play from there. Judging by the shouts of āwhack it forwardā from the east terrace every five minutes last season I guess that it what some want? Either that or play a nice brand of football but never, ever dare make a mistake! A couple of keepers have already signed elsewhere. I liked Blackman but heās gone to Buton - that would have meant re-shaping the team because he stays deep. Those who want Belshaw replaced Iād be interested to hear who they think we should sign. |
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Post by mcfee on Jul 22, 2023 18:12:52 GMT
We are close to having a good side. Eric you are measured with your posts and I enjoy reading them. As always you stick to the football, itās exciting with the attacking options we have and personally Iām looking forward to the season.
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Post by curlywurly on Jul 22, 2023 18:47:08 GMT
True but he shouldnāt have been played the ball there with the very high press like that on him and where was the angle from the defenders to give him an easy option to pass to? He had nothing on from what I could see? Blaming Luca for this is a cop out. Sorry but this one was on Belly, total panic from him. He could have got rid. Passed it straight to their player ffs! I disagree, Iām afraid. Luca had more than one chance to play the ball up the line, but played the ball back to Belly with no angle and an effective press. Itās pre season, so no problem, but we know that the over reliance on playing out from goal kicks puts defenders and keeper under pressure and if you lose the ball (which we do 20-30% of the time, you are immediately under a goal threat. We need to vary the approach as teams quickly learn and realise a high press will reap rewards. Yes Belly was to blame, as was Luca, as are our tactics. |
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Post by bridgwatergas on Jul 22, 2023 19:39:11 GMT
Not demanding him to hoof it unless in trouble. Surely anyone can see it's better than passing straight to an opponent to score an easy goal?. Belshaw made a bad mistake and it's happened too often. He did exactly the same in the cardiff friendly but got away with it. I want the keeper to play from the back but Belshaw isn't good enough. I watched every team last season and canāt think of many keepers that were more comfortable on the ball, I also canāt remember many (if any) where heās given the ball away like today and conceded a goal.Ā The manager wants us to play a style of football that carries a degree of risk and needs the players to be brave. The same applies to defenders trying to build play - if every player gets hounded for taking risks weāre heading back towards a Coughlan style of football of getting it as far up the pitch as we can and play from there. Judging by the shouts of āwhack it forwardā from the east terrace every five minutes last season I guess that it what some want? Either that or play a nice brand of football but never, ever dare make a mistake! A couple of keepers have already signed elsewhere. I liked Blackman but heās gone to Buton - that would have meant re-shaping the team because he stays deep. Those who want Belshaw replaced Iād be interested to hear who they think we should sign. I want Belshaw replaced but to be honest couldn't tell you who is available and for me if we were replacing him I would have preferred him to be here now but it's not crucial. There are some good loans to be had as well and will trust JB to recruit the right person. Regarding Belshaw performance wise it's just not the mistake for the second goal it's the fact he hasn't moved from a shot from outside the box which means he is not set and not anticipating a shot from distance. It's not the 1st time this has happened and I know it frustrates coaches when they see a keeper not dive. Today for the 1st goal yes the player has hit it well but it certainly wasn't a rocket and an attempt should have been made to try and get to it. I know how keepers are coached as my son is coached by an ex pro keeper and I watch and listen to what is being said to him. Yes playing out from the back is encouraged but you have got to know when that isn't an option and today wasn't. |
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