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JCH
Aug 20, 2023 15:25:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2023 15:25:12 GMT
Still think it will be Bolton he goes to |
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JCH
Aug 20, 2023 15:41:51 GMT
Post by bobbyjones on Aug 20, 2023 15:41:51 GMT
Thank you, not just me what about the rest of us, you are so thoughtful. |
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JCH
Aug 20, 2023 16:18:34 GMT
Post by Topper Gas on Aug 20, 2023 16:18:34 GMT
From the P'boro Telegraph:
"It could be seen as a crazy thing to suggest, but has the time come to move on from double golden boot winner Jonson Clarke-Harris as the sole Posh central striker, even if he doesn’t leave in this transfer window? The Posh style of play has evolved this season. Playing the ball into a big centre forward is rarely an option taken up by the midfielders. Hector Kyprianou and Archie Collins have become skilled at passing accurately between defensive lines to Joel Randall who has become a smooth runner with the ball. Would Posh not be better served now by a more mobile, speedy centre forward who can play off the shoulder of the last defender and run in behind? Posh have to switch the ball wide to get in behind a defence which means an accurate cross still needs to be delivered to create a goalscoring chance whereas a ball slipped in between centre-backs would lead to a shot on goal. Clarke-Harris has many attributes that continue to serve him and Posh well, but speed off the mark isn’t one of them."
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Post by Gastafari on Aug 20, 2023 16:35:19 GMT
From the P'boro Telegraph: "It could be seen as a crazy thing to suggest, but has the time come to move on from double golden boot winner Jonson Clarke-Harris as the sole Posh central striker, even if he doesn’t leave in this transfer window? The Posh style of play has evolved this season. Playing the ball into a big centre forward is rarely an option taken up by the midfielders. Hector Kyprianou and Archie Collins have become skilled at passing accurately between defensive lines to Joel Randall who has become a smooth runner with the ball. Would Posh not be better served now by a more mobile, speedy centre forward who can play off the shoulder of the last defender and run in behind? Posh have to switch the ball wide to get in behind a defence which means an accurate cross still needs to be delivered to create a goalscoring chance whereas a ball slipped in between centre-backs would lead to a shot on goal. Clarke-Harris has many attributes that continue to serve him and Posh well, but speed off the mark isn’t one of them." Literally all our goals come from wide positions.
JCH would suit us perfectly.
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Post by dudelebowski on Aug 20, 2023 16:36:36 GMT
From the P'boro Telegraph: "It could be seen as a crazy thing to suggest, but has the time come to move on from double golden boot winner Jonson Clarke-Harris as the sole Posh central striker, even if he doesn’t leave in this transfer window? The Posh style of play has evolved this season. Playing the ball into a big centre forward is rarely an option taken up by the midfielders. Hector Kyprianou and Archie Collins have become skilled at passing accurately between defensive lines to Joel Randall who has become a smooth runner with the ball. Would Posh not be better served now by a more mobile, speedy centre forward who can play off the shoulder of the last defender and run in behind? Posh have to switch the ball wide to get in behind a defence which means an accurate cross still needs to be delivered to create a goalscoring chance whereas a ball slipped in between centre-backs would lead to a shot on goal. Clarke-Harris has many attributes that continue to serve him and Posh well, but speed off the mark isn’t one of them." Literally all our goals come from wide positions.
JCH would suit us perfectly.
& we are the lads preferred destination. Still confident we’ll land his signature. |
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Post by eric on Aug 20, 2023 18:09:38 GMT
Still think it will be Bolton he goes to I wonder if he’s visited their training ground in recent weeks too !! |
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Post by yattongas on Aug 20, 2023 18:28:52 GMT
Still think it will be Bolton he goes to I wonder if he’s visited their training ground in recent weeks too !! So you’ve had some Inside info all this time ? 😂 |
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Post by pucklegas on Aug 20, 2023 19:53:41 GMT
Still think it will be Bolton he goes to I wonder if he’s visited their training ground in recent weeks too !! Eric you tease is it a go, go go! 🏴☠️😂🎉 |
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JCH
Aug 20, 2023 20:02:33 GMT
Post by eric on Aug 20, 2023 20:02:33 GMT
I wonder if he’s visited their training ground in recent weeks too !! Eric you tease is it a go, go go! 🏴☠️😂🎉 Just rumours !!! |
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Post by purdownpoacher1 on Aug 20, 2023 20:07:19 GMT
I think JCH and JB personality wise would not be a comfortable fit 🤔💙utg
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JCH
Aug 20, 2023 20:13:42 GMT
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Post by pirate on Aug 20, 2023 20:13:42 GMT
Eric you tease is it a go, go go! 🏴☠️😂🎉 Just rumours !!! Don't Stop posting this type of Second Hand News it keeps the Dreams alive. However If it's a case of Never Going Back Again then I Don't Want to Know. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Aug 20, 2023 20:17:35 GMT
Let's face it he could be desperate to join Rovers but if another club offer Posh more money and/or JCH a better contract then he'll move elsewhere.
At least if we are in for him then hopefully we'll get in a decent striker before the transfer window closes
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JCH
Aug 20, 2023 22:23:32 GMT
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 20, 2023 22:23:32 GMT
I read that, but it says to see the annex and in that it says that rule applies to under 23s. Plus it also says your can't terminate during a season. It has to be at the end of a season. I can't see where it only applies to under 23's? As in previous cases, a player who signed a contract before the age of 28 can buy himself out of the contract three years after the deal was signed. The window is shortened to two years if he is 28 or older. Players must give notice that they plan to use Article 17 within 15 days of the final league game of the season. This is an article from FIFPRO World Players' Union just 3 years ago. 'Scottish professional footballer Andrew Webster was the first player to successfully invoke Article 17 of the FIFA Transfer Regulations, which enables a player aged under 28 to terminate his contract after three years (and older players to leave after two years) without facing sporting sanctions.' fifpro.org/en/supporting-players/conditions-of-employment/standard-player-contracts/legal-case-andrew-webster/. www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/may/20/webster-ruling-matuzalem-cas-compensationIt does not mention this rule in the current FIFA rules. Wikipedia and other recent articles, reference things that happened before it seems to have been overturned. Just because a few journalists have said it's still active, writing what it says in old articles, does not mean it is. Can you find any recent case if it?? Players probably won't do it, incase they rule against it, like they did in the above case. |
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Post by pirate on Aug 21, 2023 1:56:59 GMT
I can't see where it only applies to under 23's? As in previous cases, a player who signed a contract before the age of 28 can buy himself out of the contract three years after the deal was signed. The window is shortened to two years if he is 28 or older. Players must give notice that they plan to use Article 17 within 15 days of the final league game of the season. This is an article from FIFPRO World Players' Union just 3 years ago. 'Scottish professional footballer Andrew Webster was the first player to successfully invoke Article 17 of the FIFA Transfer Regulations, which enables a player aged under 28 to terminate his contract after three years (and older players to leave after two years) without facing sporting sanctions.' fifpro.org/en/supporting-players/conditions-of-employment/standard-player-contracts/legal-case-andrew-webster/. www.theguardian.com/sport/2009/may/20/webster-ruling-matuzalem-cas-compensationIt does not mention this rule in the current FIFA rules. Wikipedia and other recent articles, reference things that happened before it seems to have been overturned. Just because a few journalists have said it's still active, writing what it says in old articles, does not mean it is. Can you find any recent case if it?? Players probably won't do it, incase they rule against it, like they did in the above case. Having researched the rules further I discovered amendments to the FIFA Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players (RSTP) which followed FIFA and FIFPro (the World Players’ Union) agreeing a wide ranging 6 year cooperation agreement. On 26 April 2018, FIFA released a letter introducing the changes to the FIFA Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players (“RSTP”) in line with FIFA’s agreement with FIFPro, which were valid as of 1 June 2018. It still mentions Article 17 in the current FIFA rules : 'On the Status and Transfer of Players' - Fifa digitalhub.fifa.com/m/153157b40ca1dfd/original/Regulations-on-the-Status-and-Transfer-of-Players-March-2023-edition.pdf'17. Consequences of terminating a contract without just cause The following provisions apply if a contract is terminated without just cause: In all cases, the party in breach shall pay compensation. Subject to the provisions of article 20 and Annexe 4 in relation to training compensation, and unless otherwise provided for in the contract, compensation for the breach shall be calculated with due consideration for the law of the country concerned, the specificity of sport, and any other objective criteria. These criteria shall include, in particular, the remuneration and other benefits due to the player under the existing contract and/or the new contract, the time remaining on the existing contract up to a maximum of five years, the fees and expenses paid or incurred by the former club (amortised over the term of the contract) and whether the contractual breach falls within a protected period.' This is a decent analysis by the law firm Mills & Reeve on the 2018 Article 17 changes.... ' The general ambiguity in the clause above, in practice, provided FIFA/CAS arbitrators with considerable discretion to calculate the compensation payable in each particular case. This caused significant controversy and debate between football stakeholders regarding the ‘correct’ method to calculate compensation owed to the party who suffered the breach.
Under the new amendments, the above provision remains applicable, however there is now greater certainty regarding how compensation should be calculated, as follows:
If the player did not sign a new contract with another club following the termination of his previous contract (i.e. there was no ‘mitigation’), as a general rule, the compensation will equal the residual value of the prematurely terminated contract.
If the player does sign a new contract with another club following the termination, the value of that contract (for the period corresponding to the time left of the previous contract) is deducted from the residual value of the contract as ‘mitigation’. The net value is now defined as “Mitigated Compensation”. Further, if the termination was due to overdue payables (discussed above), an additional three months’ salary shall be added as “Additional Compensation” – or potentially up to a maximum of six months’ salary “in case of egregious circumstances”. 'The total compensation calculated above can never exceed the residual value of the prematurely terminated contract – which is reasonable as that would likely amount to unjust enrichment.' www.mills-reeve.com/insights/blogs/sports/april-2018/amendments-to-the-fifa-regulations-on-the-status-a |
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Post by westfieldgas on Aug 21, 2023 7:00:43 GMT
Hope these rumours are squashed by Weds this week - it isn't a deal we can afford. It's getting peoples hopes up with no solid evidence he would even come back here.
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Aug 21, 2023 7:29:41 GMT
Post by rememberhalifax on Aug 21, 2023 7:29:41 GMT
Hope these rumours are squashed by Weds this week - it isn't a deal we can afford. It's getting peoples hopes up with no solid evidence he would even come back here. With you on that. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 21, 2023 8:04:47 GMT
Hope these rumours are squashed by Weds this week - it isn't a deal we can afford. It's getting peoples hopes up with no solid evidence he would even come back here. We only have one game until the transfer window closes, so it's not like rumors are going to effect us for long. It would be better, if the transfer window closed, before the season started! Then clubs would know where they stand. |
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Post by westfieldgas on Aug 21, 2023 8:11:16 GMT
Hope these rumours are squashed by Weds this week - it isn't a deal we can afford. It's getting peoples hopes up with no solid evidence he would even come back here. We only have one game until the transfer window closes, so it's not like rumors are going to effect us for long. It would be better, if the transfer window closed, before the season started! Then clubs would know where they stand. Whilst I agree with your point, for me, its more about the fans thinking we will be spending 700-900K on a CF. It just isn't going to happen. It causes unrealistic expectations, in fact it made me feel like we overestimated Cambridge game on Saturday because JCH was signing and our squad was 'too good'. Squash the rumour & wait for inevitable loan signing (& everyone moaning) on deadline day! |
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Post by jungleboogie on Aug 21, 2023 8:26:42 GMT
We only have one game until the transfer window closes, so it's not like rumors are going to effect us for long. It would be better, if the transfer window closed, before the season started! Then clubs would know where they stand. Whilst I agree with your point, for me, its more about the fans thinking we will be spending 700-900K on a CF. It just isn't going to happen. It causes unrealistic expectations, in fact it made me feel like we overestimated Cambridge game on Saturday because JCH was signing and our squad was 'too good'. Squash the rumour & wait for inevitable loan signing (& everyone moaning) on deadline day! Stops people talking about the South Stand for another week or two, so they are probably happy to string it along!! |
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JCH
Aug 21, 2023 8:37:48 GMT
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Post by daniel300380 on Aug 21, 2023 8:37:48 GMT
We only have one game until the transfer window closes, so it's not like rumors are going to effect us for long. It would be better, if the transfer window closed, before the season started! Then clubs would know where they stand. Whilst I agree with your point, for me, its more about the fans thinking we will be spending 700-900K on a CF. It just isn't going to happen. It causes unrealistic expectations, in fact it made me feel like we overestimated Cambridge game on Saturday because JCH was signing and our squad was 'too good'. Squash the rumour & wait for inevitable loan signing (& everyone moaning) on deadline day! I've now seen some of our fans trying to say we are giving Peterborough £250,000, plus Collins😂. Come from a good source apparently. |
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