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Post by Gas-Ed on Jan 17, 2015 19:29:05 GMT
www.cardsboard.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2682Apparently, it happened when Oxford visited Woking a couple of years ago too. So who was at fault? We were seemingly offered all-ticket to prevent this situation arising, but turned it down. Could the police/stewards let the locked out supporters into another area of the ground? I am pretty astounded that Woking and Surrey Police let this situation arise again. I would never, ever, condone any sort of disorder at football matches but I am surprised that we haven't heard of any arrests, particularly when those locked out were probably the last ones out of the pubs.
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Post by Strange Gas on Jan 17, 2015 19:42:38 GMT
I'm pretty sure Steve Brookman (the clubs press officer) said Woking hadn't been in touch regarding tickets. Sounds to me like a police issue if true and think i have seen comment elsewhere about Surrey police not being very good. I was gonna travel late but didn't in the end, so quite glad given on and off pitch performance, but feel for those locked out
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 17, 2015 19:55:35 GMT
iirc Brookman said they hadn't been in touch with regard to making it all ticket.
Apparently they offered to give us the tickets for the seats to sell in advance, and we turned down that offer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 20:01:13 GMT
Talking to the stewards,they said they offered tickets and Rovers said no. A coach, my friend was on from Shire got there late,as the driver got lost going from pub to ground,and none got in.The stewards wanted to put them in with the Woking fans behind the goal and they would segregate them with a line of stewards,but the police wouldn't allow it. Worst away day I have had this season,and the game wasn't great
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Post by pirateman on Jan 17, 2015 20:16:36 GMT
I remember a game against Oxford a few years back. Oxford refused to make it all ticket and there were about a thousand gasheads locked out. There was a bit of trouble in the town. Well what a surprise!. At that time Rovers went all out to persuade them t make ot all ticket but no go. Being disabled, even I had a hell of job getting them to sell me a ticket in advance, despite explaining that I needed a seat, otherwise I couldn't go there. Sometimes the management (or lack of) at football clubs amazes me.
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Post by Gasshole on Jan 17, 2015 20:24:28 GMT
There was less than 4000 in a 6000 capacity stadium, it was pay on the day. The capacity of the terrace is 1200, 3 turnstiles so only 400 allowed through each one.5 mins before kick off your in a queue of hundreds of people. Sometimes you have to use your smarts rather than waiting to be told what to do. I'm sure some people did and managed to mingle in. Harder to do, if you leave it too late and all the homers are already inside. Defo it's someones fault, probably partly Woking, Rovers & the Police. But sometimes you need to help yourself out. If you got locked out I feel genuinely sorry for you. Don't get caught out next time , it won't be the last time. Do some research , have a plan B. Hopefully we will hear some stories from gasheads who managed to get in with the home fans.
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Post by wysemangas on Jan 17, 2015 20:55:25 GMT
Supporters should not need a plan B and infiltrate home supporters. With new signings and given our away support, it was not rocket science that a big away following was on the cards. It may have been to late regarding our signings to make the game all ticket but surely Woking FC and the Surrey police should have had a plan B in place regarding segregation in other parts of the ground and Rovers should have given some advice as well that a big away following was coming.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 21:02:50 GMT
There was less than 4000 in a 6000 capacity stadium, it was pay on the day. The capacity of the terrace is 1200, 3 turnstiles so only 400 allowed through each one.5 mins before kick off your in a queue of hundreds of people. Sometimes you have to use your smarts rather than waiting to be told what to do. I'm sure some people did and managed to mingle in. Harder to do, if you leave it too late and all the homers are already inside. Defo it's someones fault, probably partly Woking, Rovers & the Police. But sometimes you need to help yourself out. If you got locked out I feel genuinely sorry for you. Don't get caught out next time , it won't be the last time. Do some research , have a plan B. Hopefully we will hear some stories from gasheads who managed to get in with the home fans. Wasn't one of those locked out today, but there was no excuses for that shambles - you can't blame the fans for not preparing to be locked out. Okay some of those turned away could have tried in the home ends but I imagine it was very difficult having 'identified' yourself as a Rovers fan with loads of stewards and police around. They were apparently turning HOME fans away after a certain time to avoid Rovers fans getting in. a) You couldn't see the crowded terrace from the queue. Seeing as police were randomly searching people (why?) and it was taking a while for people to get in anyway (with 30 minutes before KO for me), why would people assume they weren't going to be able to get in? b) You've actually contradicted yourself by saying there was only 4000. Why restrict us to just the terrace if the away exceeded what Woking expected? The home terrace was far from full, especially in the second half as the home fans swapped ends!! Just get a line of police/stewards to provide segregation. Plenty of police presence and plenty of room for the Rovers fans. c) People have travelled from Bristol - some even further. To be turned away from a ground which is 2/3 full is so poor. Forced to watch from behind a gate or up a tree ffs. d) They weren't prepared for us regardless of the 'lock out' situation. The toilets situation was a bit of a joke for example, four urinals and a couple of portaloos out the back. I suspect the lockout was partially Surrey police's fault, but it shows a lack of preparation and communication from Woking. Lost out on an extra £5,000 or so by the sounds of it, god help them if they ever get anywhere near the Football League.
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Post by Gasshole on Jan 17, 2015 21:15:41 GMT
Supporters should not need a plan B and infiltrate home supporters. With new signings and given our away support, it was not rocket science that a big away following was on the cards. It may have been to late regarding our signings to make the game all ticket but surely Woking FC and the Surrey police should have had a plan B in place regarding segregation in other parts of the ground and Rovers should have given some advice as well that a big away following was coming. Agree the rovers supporters were let down badly, and in theory the organisers should have a contingency plan. They didn't , gasheads got locked out, wasted time and money,it could have been a flash point for some ugly scenes. Always have your own personal Plan B, it gives you a chance of avoiding the above.
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Post by dragonfly on Jan 17, 2015 21:17:54 GMT
www.cardsboard.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2682Apparently, it happened when Oxford visited Woking a couple of years ago too. So who was at fault? We were seemingly offered all-ticket to prevent this situation arising, but turned it down. Could the police/stewards let the locked out supporters into another area of the ground? I am pretty astounded that Woking and Surrey Police let this situation arise again. I would never, ever, condone any sort of disorder at football matches but I am surprised that we haven't heard of any arrests, particularly when those locked out were probably the last ones out of the pubs. they predict a lockout, they predict a lockout!!!
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Post by Gasshole on Jan 17, 2015 21:30:26 GMT
There was less than 4000 in a 6000 capacity stadium, it was pay on the day. The capacity of the terrace is 1200, 3 turnstiles so only 400 allowed through each one.5 mins before kick off your in a queue of hundreds of people. Sometimes you have to use your smarts rather than waiting to be told what to do. I'm sure some people did and managed to mingle in. Harder to do, if you leave it too late and all the homers are already inside. Defo it's someones fault, probably partly Woking, Rovers & the Police. But sometimes you need to help yourself out. If you got locked out I feel genuinely sorry for you. Don't get caught out next time , it won't be the last time. Do some research , have a plan B. Hopefully we will hear some stories from gasheads who managed to get in with the home fans. Wasn't one of those locked out today, but there was no excuses for that shambles - you can't blame the fans for not preparing to be locked out. Okay some of those turned away could have tried in the home ends but I imagine it was very difficult having 'identified' yourself as a Rovers fan with loads of stewards and police around. They were apparently turning HOME fans away after a certain time to avoid Rovers fans getting in. a) You couldn't see the crowded terrace from the queue. Seeing as police were randomly searching people (why?) and it was taking a while for people to get in anyway (with 30 minutes before KO for me), why would people assume they weren't going to be able to get in? b) You've actually contradicted yourself by saying there was only 4000. Why restrict us to just the terrace if the away exceeded what Woking expected? The home terrace was far from full, especially in the second half as the home fans swapped ends!! Just get a line of police/stewards to provide segregation. Plenty of police presence and plenty of room for the Rovers fans. c) People have travelled from Bristol - some even further. To be turned away from a ground which is 2/3 full is so poor. Forced to watch from behind a gate or up a tree ffs. d) They weren't prepared for us regardless of the 'lock out' situation. The toilets situation was a bit of a joke for example, four urinals and a couple of portaloos out the back. I suspect the lockout was partially Surrey police's fault, but it shows a lack of preparation and communication from Woking. Lost out on an extra £5,000 or so by the sounds of it, god help them if they ever get anywhere near the Football League. Sounds like an Olympic sized balls up. I was pointing out that there was 2000 places available in other parts of the ground, so everyone could have got in. Maybe by moving the home fans over another block in the seats.
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Post by stokegiffordgas on Jan 17, 2015 21:33:43 GMT
You can just imagine the local media having a fine old time if we had 'reacted badly' to the amateur organisation by Woking and the Surrey constabulary so it would be only fair (but of course it won't happen) if they ran a positive story with a headline along the lines of "Rovers fans show commendable restraint in face of embarrassingly poor organisation at Woking FC". Can't remember seeing a single police officer at Nuneaton (same police catchment?) and no body searches (really needed?) carried out there either. When I finally got in today I wasn't sure if I was purchasing a stand seat or a ticket for the tombola at the church garden fete! Today's fiasco is a stark reminder that we need to get out of this terrible "jumpers for goalposts" league asap.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 21:34:25 GMT
This was posted on the Gas List:-
"We didn't get in because Woking only had a license for 1900 away fans. Some f*cktard chose not to increase it for the game against us. They then shut the gates and made it the problem of the OB. So they lost a lot of potential revenue and widdleed off a load of minted locals who were forced to mix with angry gasheads."
I wasn't aware that the license stipulated numbers for home/away fans, thought that it stated the number of fans permitted in each section of the ground? Anybody out there with greater knowledge?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 17, 2015 21:36:28 GMT
Supporters should not need a plan B and infiltrate home supporters. With new signings and given our away support, it was not rocket science that a big away following was on the cards. It may have been to late regarding our signings to make the game all ticket but surely Woking FC and the Surrey police should have had a plan B in place regarding segregation in other parts of the ground and Rovers should have given some advice as well that a big away following was coming. Agree the rovers supporters were let down badly, and in theory the organisers should have a contingency plan. They didn't , gasheads got locked out, wasted time and money,it could have been a flash point for some ugly scenes. Always have your own personal Plan B, it gives you a chance of avoiding the above. So how many times would you need a Plan B, once a decade? Plus recommending fans stand in the home end is hardly the wisest move, particularly at a ground where you've no idea if it's safe or not. Standing quietly in the home end, even if Rovers score, is not what most are prepared to do. Surely it's the Police who need a Plan B not the fans?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 21:42:05 GMT
Wasn't one of those locked out today, but there was no excuses for that shambles - you can't blame the fans for not preparing to be locked out. Okay some of those turned away could have tried in the home ends but I imagine it was very difficult having 'identified' yourself as a Rovers fan with loads of stewards and police around. They were apparently turning HOME fans away after a certain time to avoid Rovers fans getting in. a) You couldn't see the crowded terrace from the queue. Seeing as police were randomly searching people (why?) and it was taking a while for people to get in anyway (with 30 minutes before KO for me), why would people assume they weren't going to be able to get in? b) You've actually contradicted yourself by saying there was only 4000. Why restrict us to just the terrace if the away exceeded what Woking expected? The home terrace was far from full, especially in the second half as the home fans swapped ends!! Just get a line of police/stewards to provide segregation. Plenty of police presence and plenty of room for the Rovers fans. c) People have travelled from Bristol - some even further. To be turned away from a ground which is 2/3 full is so poor. Forced to watch from behind a gate or up a tree ffs. d) They weren't prepared for us regardless of the 'lock out' situation. The toilets situation was a bit of a joke for example, four urinals and a couple of portaloos out the back. I suspect the lockout was partially Surrey police's fault, but it shows a lack of preparation and communication from Woking. Lost out on an extra £5,000 or so by the sounds of it, god help them if they ever get anywhere near the Football League. Sounds like an Olympic sized balls up. I was pointing out that there was 2000 places available in other parts of the ground, so everyone could have got in. Maybe by moving the home fans over another block in the seats. 100% an Olympic sized balls up! Yeah I see what you're saying re: there was still a third of the ground available, but I think that's definitely more the fault of Surrey Police/Woking than Rovers (certainly not our fans at fault). As I said, I think it would have been hugely difficult for any BRFC fans to go from the away end queue to the home ends due to the sheer presence of police and stewards. The seats looked full to be fair, but there were numerous things that could have been done. Even Nuneaton provided more home terrace for us when the initial stand/terrace became full.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 17, 2015 21:45:25 GMT
I predicted this a few days ago hence getting their early today. Glad I was prepared. Bad organisation all around.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 17, 2015 21:50:33 GMT
Agree the rovers supporters were let down badly, and in theory the organisers should have a contingency plan. They didn't , gasheads got locked out, wasted time and money,it could have been a flash point for some ugly scenes. Always have your own personal Plan B, it gives you a chance of avoiding the above. So how many times would you need a Plan B, once a decade? Plus recommending fans stand in the home end is hardly the wisest move, particularly at a ground where you've no idea if it's safe or not. Standing quietly in the home end, even if Rovers score, is not what most are prepared to do. Surely it's the Police who need a Plan B not the fans? Yes it should have been organised better but this situation was always very possible. I sent this happening a few days ago gene getting in the ground over an hour before the game. I do have sympathy for those locked out but with better planning and preparation on their part too then they would have been in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2015 22:00:20 GMT
@j_Green46 and had the match been made ALL ticket under Rule 10, @official_BRFC would only have been entitled to 600 tickets.
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Post by stokegiffordgas on Jan 17, 2015 22:02:49 GMT
think that's harsh - if the authorities deem the game need not be all ticket (note Dartford's decision) then a little preparation and planning is needed on the part of the host club and police force. Not for the first time a way over the top police presence - essentially redundant - can't make one positive decision. I did get the feeling today that they saw an opportunity to practice managing a large crowd - dogs, cameras, searches etc with us as the unwitting extras!
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Post by Gasshole on Jan 17, 2015 22:03:27 GMT
Lock outs are quite rare I remember one over the Gate, when there were 6000 gasheads in the Eastend, and also away at Oxford. Personally I don't mind occasionally mingling in with the Homers I have done it with Rovers and England. You're right it's not for everyone. Seems the Police's plan B was to close the gate when 1900 rovers fans inside.
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