Israel

World stability took a nose dive the moment a senile member of the corporate swamp took office.

I’m not necessarily saying Donald Trump is the answer, although his presidency was possibly the most peaceful of any president in modern history. Just not Joe Biden and the democrats in current form.

The world is in conflict as they know the boss’s office is empty.

You can’t seriously think it’s a coincidence all of this happens: Ukraine, Afghanistan, now this, sprung up about the moment he got in?

The US democrats are in the pocket of corporate America. And they want wars and expansion.

DT was, for all his faults, a bit of an island in this regard. He was pretty open about calling the political establishment out for what they are.

Quite unbelievable someone can actually think the above tbh. It would be nice to see the right accept blame for something rather than always passing the buck

For goodness sake take your medicine.

Don't think there was much that could be done, the die was cast long before.

The whole sorry saga goes back to Anglo-French rivalries, in fact Sykes-Picot was in many ways an attempt to keep the Entante Cordiale together in the dark days of the First World War. The Balfour Declaration was a further attempt to garner influence, we looked to keep Jews onside in Palestine while the French backed Christians in their area of Lebanon and Syria. Both did so for political rather than idealistic reasons.

Even during the Second World War, de Gaulle kept up support for those fighting British rule and while we eventually 'ousted' French influence from Syria and Lebanon, through this French support in the 20s, 30s and 40s, it led to the formation of many of the insurgency groups that we ended up fighting during the Mandate period such as Irgun and the Stern Gang. The modern day Likud party is the grandchild of Irgun.

It also shaped de Gaulle's view of us and according to James Barr's 'A line in the sand' it caused him to reject our admission to "his club" in the 1950s and 60s as we couldn't be trusted by him.

The period between 1917 and 1948 was full of double standards, betrayal, idealism, side deals, swapping sides and more.

I certainly recommend Barr's book.

The Second World War meant that arms became more readily available, experienced soldiers swelled the ranks and the limits on immigration and also other restrictions like buying property caused further resentment.

Eventually we said we aren't doing this any more. The original British plan was one nation with autonomous regions but that was leaked and died quickly. The UN plan was for a qualified partition retaining certain links but that was rejected, later seen by many as a mistake, including Mahmood Abbas.

When we left it caused a power vacuum which the Israelis filled and Trueman then recognised it as a legitimate government.

I don't think any single event is the cause or any party comes out of this well, and its not just those mentioned as others also had an influence in one way or another.

However, whilst how we got here is interesting and in parts, useful, it doesn't justify, or in my view even mitigate, what has happened here. Israel has been attacked by terrorists and has the right to defend itself. I do hope that (a) Israel shows some restaint and doesn't become what it is fighting, and (b) people don't associate Hamas with the wider Palestinian cause. Those scenes on the streets of London are disheartening and certain Labour politicians should hold their counsil.

Israel needs to use this to target the Hamas leadership and get the peace process back on track.

Quite unbelievable someone can actually think the above tbh. It would be nice to see the right accept blame for something rather than always passing the buck

It is pretty rich ascribing a slew of events leading to an unstable world to the actions of the previous incumbent.

The NATO comment is complete double-think given what’s happened in Ukraine. Clearly, green lights were given to advance the Ukraine ascension into NATO. Which is where the invasion came from.

Whatever the weather, with Biden came 2 major wars, a botched withdrawal arming an enemy with billions of dollars of equipment. You can fool yourself into thinking these stem from DT and not a direct consequence of Biden’s presidency if you like, but it’s just intense partisanship if you ask me. Someone clearly has been at work spinning webs of logic if you genuinely believe that these are the echos of the Trump presidency. They’re more the echos of the Bush presidency if you want a republican to blame.

On that basis the Picts should be given the UK.
Your proposition is ridiculous.

We can only talk of the modern age, ie post 1850.

I'm not questioning the right of any Country to defend itself,more exploring whether it's ok morally to knowingly kill women and children.