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Post by pirate on Nov 30, 2023 1:06:19 GMT
As stated above, our scouting department as it were is a joke most of the time. Need to find some hidden gems as it were, all over Europe. I don't care if they played in the Estonian premier league if they got something about them and we could get them to fit within our budget. This is crucial. Likely to soon be no Director of Football and the Chief scout gone, filling these positions will be key. Hopefully to help the new manager we can invest in a proper scouting network too. By the way, it's not the Estonian Premier League, but Egert Ounapuu is worth a look in their second tier. gaschat.co.uk/post/950308
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Post by gas124 on Nov 30, 2023 1:30:51 GMT
Hope he can get us Sam Nombe on loan then JCH on a permanent in jan🤞🏻 And hopefully get Jevani back to playing his best.
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 30, 2023 1:56:43 GMT
Rotherham had sh** players to work with and a ridiculously small budget so looking at that, I think he did a decent job there. Not going to hold my hand up and say he is gonna be incredible here, but its intriguing to see what he can do at the very least, if he is confirmed to be the guy.Need somthing a bit more pleasing on the eye when it comes to tactics. Make no mistake Taylor is going to have my full support once he is announced, but I certainly have serious doubts and concerns. The job he did at Rotherham was nowhere near decent in my opinion, it is a big question mark hanging over him for me. We are a similar sized club with Championship aspirations, so there are legitimate concerns over his record there. Paul Warne laid the foundations at Rotherham and left them when 8th in the Championship having lost only 1 of the first 9 games, with 1.56 PPM and a +6 goal difference. They finished 19th under Taylor who lost 44% of his games, with 1.00 PPM, winning just 8 from 36 games, scoring 37 goals and a -15 goal difference. Thankfully for Rotherham they had that good start under Warne or else they would have been doomed. This season Taylor had the chance to go and stamp his mark on the side and was even allowed to break the Rotherham transfer record, but looked out of his depth at the level and things continued on the same downward trajectory getting even worse, with 0.69 PPM, no away wins in the past YEAR, conceding an average of 2 goals a game with 32 conceded in 16 games, just 15 goals scored and only two wins when he was sacked with Rotherham cut adrift of fourth bottom. A total 20% win percentage during his time at club, a PPM of 0.90 and an overall -38 goal difference. If someone like a Steve Evans had gone back in there with the chance to break transfer records, do you think things would have been just as bad? I don't. After allowing the former manager to sign a centre half for £300k, 11 other players and then experienced Chris Martin a month before he was sacked, I really hope it is worth it and they have made the right call. Expectations are lower at Exeter and Taylor has a lack of experience at this level, having only been in charge for 11 games with 4 wins and a PPM of 1.36. Andy Mangan's PPM in League One as caretaker for us is 1.60. Joey previously took Fleetwood to the League One playoffs, so has that experience Taylor doesn't. Taylor won promotion from League Two. Joey won promotion from League Two at the first attempt. Can he handle egos? We saw shenanigans from one or two experienced pros yesterday evening for example. What is his recruitment record like? Can he handle a decent budget? - (things got worse after he broke Rotherham transfer record), What are his contacts like ? Can he attract an Eliot Anderson type on loan? Eye for a non-league gem? I am not one to really look at managers points per games at previous clubs, there could be a number of scenarios and factors.
You mention Paul Warne, but he also got relegated 3 times back to League 1 himself with Rotherham. Paul Warne's PPG at Championship level with Rotherham is only 0.88 overall. He was probably given a bit of leeway because of his history with the club as a player while Matt Taylor hasn't been given that luxury.
I've mentioned him before on other manager threads over the years, but Brendan Rodgers had average/poor win ratios and PPG at both Watford & Reading, getting sacked within 6 months of both, within 2 years he was managing Liverpool, producing a great team that laid the foundations for Jurgen Klopp.
Just looking at managers win %'s or PPG doesn't tell the whole story.
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Post by pirate on Nov 30, 2023 2:32:55 GMT
Make no mistake Taylor is going to have my full support once he is announced, but I certainly have serious doubts and concerns. The job he did at Rotherham was nowhere near decent in my opinion, it is a big question mark hanging over him for me. We are a similar sized club with Championship aspirations, so there are legitimate concerns over his record there. Paul Warne laid the foundations at Rotherham and left them when 8th in the Championship having lost only 1 of the first 9 games, with 1.56 PPM and a +6 goal difference. They finished 19th under Taylor who lost 44% of his games, with 1.00 PPM, winning just 8 from 36 games, scoring 37 goals and a -15 goal difference. Thankfully for Rotherham they had that good start under Warne or else they would have been doomed. This season Taylor had the chance to go and stamp his mark on the side and was even allowed to break the Rotherham transfer record, but looked out of his depth at the level and things continued on the same downward trajectory getting even worse, with 0.69 PPM, no away wins in the past YEAR, conceding an average of 2 goals a game with 32 conceded in 16 games, just 15 goals scored and only two wins when he was sacked with Rotherham cut adrift of fourth bottom. A total 20% win percentage during his time at club, a PPM of 0.90 and an overall -38 goal difference. If someone like a Steve Evans had gone back in there with the chance to break transfer records, do you think things would have been just as bad? I don't. After allowing the former manager to sign a centre half for £300k, 11 other players and then experienced Chris Martin a month before he was sacked, I really hope it is worth it and they have made the right call. Expectations are lower at Exeter and Taylor has a lack of experience at this level, having only been in charge for 11 games with 4 wins and a PPM of 1.36. Andy Mangan's PPM in League One as caretaker for us is 1.60. Joey previously took Fleetwood to the League One playoffs, so has that experience Taylor doesn't. Taylor won promotion from League Two. Joey won promotion from League Two at the first attempt. Can he handle egos? We saw shenanigans from one or two experienced pros yesterday evening for example. What is his recruitment record like? Can he handle a decent budget? - (things got worse after he broke Rotherham transfer record), What are his contacts like ? Can he attract an Eliot Anderson type on loan? Eye for a non-league gem? I am not one to really look at managers points per games at previous clubs, there could be a number of scenarios and factors.
You mention Paul Warne, but he also got relegated 3 times back to League 1 himself with Rotherham. Paul Warne's PPG at Championship level with Rotherham is only 0.88 overall. He was probably given a bit of leeway because of his history with the club as a player while Matt Taylor hasn't been given that luxury.
I've mentioned him before on other manager threads over the years, but Brendan Rodgers had average/poor win ratios and PPG at both Watford & Reading, getting sacked within 6 months of both, within 2 years he was managing Liverpool, producing a great team that laid the foundations for Jurgen Klopp.
Just looking at managers win %'s or PPG doesn't tell the whole story.
Questions were hopefully asked as to why things continued on the downward spiral this season and why he couldn't manage to turn around the away form at Rotherham, with no away wins in a year, an average of 2 goals a game conceded this season (32 in 16 games) and just 15 goals scored. I know the Rotherham job isn't the easiest in the Championship, but I would have expected better and with a record like that I can't blame the Rotherham owner for sacking him.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2023 7:03:50 GMT
Rotherham had sh** players to work with and a ridiculously small budget so looking at that, I think he did a decent job there. Not going to hold my hand up and say he is gonna be incredible here, but its intriguing to see what he can do at the very least, if he is confirmed to be the guy.Need somthing a bit more pleasing on the eye when it comes to tactics. Make no mistake Taylor is going to have my full support once he is announced, but I certainly have serious doubts and concerns. The job he did at Rotherham was nowhere near decent in my opinion, it is a big question mark hanging over him for me. We are a similar sized club with Championship aspirations, so there are legitimate concerns over his record there. Paul Warne laid the foundations at Rotherham and left them when 8th in the Championship having lost only 1 of the first 9 games, with 1.56 PPM and a +6 goal difference. They finished 19th under Taylor who lost 44% of his games, with 1.00 PPM, winning just 8 from 36 games, scoring 37 goals and a -15 goal difference. Thankfully for Rotherham they had that good start under Warne or else they would have been doomed. This season Taylor had the chance to go and stamp his mark on the side and was even allowed to break the Rotherham transfer record, but looked out of his depth at the level and things continued on the same downward trajectory getting even worse, with 0.69 PPM, no away wins in the past YEAR, conceding an average of 2 goals a game with 32 conceded in 16 games, just 15 goals scored and only two wins when he was sacked with Rotherham cut adrift of fourth bottom. A total 20% win percentage during his time at club, a PPM of 0.90 and an overall -38 goal difference. If someone like a Steve Evans had gone back in there with the chance to break transfer records, do you think things would have been just as bad? I don't. After allowing the former manager to sign a centre half for £300k, 11 other players and then experienced Chris Martin a month before he was sacked, I really hope it is worth it and they have made the right call. Expectations are lower at Exeter and Taylor has a lack of experience at this level, having only been in charge for 11 games with 4 wins and a PPM of 1.36. Andy Mangan's PPM in League One as caretaker for us is 1.60. Joey previously took Fleetwood to the League One playoffs, so has that experience Taylor doesn't. Taylor won promotion from League Two. Joey won promotion from League Two at the first attempt. Can he handle egos? We saw shenanigans from one or two experienced pros yesterday evening for example. What is his recruitment record like? Can he handle a decent budget? - (things got worse after he broke Rotherham transfer record), What are his contacts like ? Can he attract an Eliot Anderson type on loan? Eye for a non-league gem? 1 PPM would have kept them up…..just
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Post by percy on Nov 30, 2023 7:38:45 GMT
If true than I am a bit sad for Mangs and Wheelan. Have no issue with either and would welcome them back at the Mem.
Slightly worried about a huge turnover mid season, hopefully they can sort the players heads out quickly.
Happy if Taylor is the appointment, everything is a risk, but if he can get us playing like his Exeter team then good times ahead.
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Post by DrFaustus on Nov 30, 2023 8:13:26 GMT
I’m hearing the Veto’s are being made redundant, the Scouse Mafia all gone #HijackOver #WeveGotOurRoversBack And I’m getting it in now, if anyone is upset with my posting, jog on 👍 Matt Taylor done deal. Mangs, Whelan and Ventre gone. Huge shame if Glenn Whelan has been booted. Top bloke and clearly has the admiration of the players.
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Post by bidefordgas on Nov 30, 2023 8:17:26 GMT
Suggest you look closer. The only club Monk failed at was Sheffield Wed, sacked when they were 2nd bottom of the Championship. At Swansea in his first season he saved them from relegation and the following season they finished 8th their highest ever position in the Premier league, beating Man Utd and Arsenal home and away in the same season, one of only three clubs to ever do that. He was manager of the month in that season as well.He was sacked when they were 15th in the Premier league. He resigned from Leeds after they finished 7th in the Championship after a poor end to the season where they had been in the playoffs until the final day. The Leeds owners were mystified as to why he resigned. At Birmingham he did very well and his spell at Middlesborough did not get them back to the Premier league as they wanted. Can hardly been described as a failure. So Swansea got relegated, and he failed to get 3 championship clubs promoted. Promotion was the target and it wasn’t achieved so that would be failures? to us a 7th place championship finish seems amazing but that wasn’t good enough for those clubs 🤷🏻♂️ Like I said before check your facts, Monk did not get Swansea relegated and has not been relegated with any team he managed.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Nov 30, 2023 8:42:25 GMT
As much as I think Mangs is probably a decent bloke and previously I had said I could see why they might give him the job, despite him not being even close to my choice…..I hope this is true and he is gone. I think that we need to start again in a lot of areas , including the coaching team. Taylor (if finalised) has a job and a half on his hands here. I hope he has some good contacts in the game because our scouting department is farcical and I can’t see, Spendlove hanging about. #draintheswamp Spendlove back to Huyton or coaching girls soccer camps in the US again I hope. Agree on Mangs to be fair, seemed a decent bloke and most of us all have a mate whose a bit of a prick or has been in the past, in his case he had a full blown one. Clean slate now #HijackOver 👀😂
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Post by kylegas on Nov 30, 2023 8:42:59 GMT
So Swansea got relegated, and he failed to get 3 championship clubs promoted. Promotion was the target and it wasn’t achieved so that would be failures? to us a 7th place championship finish seems amazing but that wasn’t good enough for those clubs 🤷🏻♂️ Like I said before check your facts, Monk did not get Swansea relegated and has not been relegated with any team he managed. Did they not sack him before he was relegated? So he still started the process of the relegation?? Why are you getting so offended, you’re not his dad are you?? 👀 lol
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Post by bidefordgas on Nov 30, 2023 8:52:35 GMT
Like I said before check your facts, Monk did not get Swansea relegated and has not been relegated with any team he managed. Did they not sack him before he was relegated? So he still started the process of the relegation?? Why are you getting so offended, you’re not his dad are you?? 👀 lol Another post without checking the facts. Monk was sacked at the beginning of Dec 2015 with the club in 15th position in the Premier league. They were relegated three years later in 2018. By the way, I am his dad, so what’s the problem there?
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 30, 2023 8:59:39 GMT
Even Chelsea were below Swansea when they sacked monk matey.
The bottom 3 clubs were Villa, Sunderland and Norwich on 6, 12 and 14 points. Swansea had 16 points.
It's worth noting they never recovered from sacking Monk either regardless of appointment.
The only thing about monk that would bother me is his outside interests. We need someone 100% focused on us.
Look at Tisdale with all his stuff. Massively distracted him from the job in hand.
You cannot slave for 2 masters.
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Post by onefindunford on Nov 30, 2023 9:00:00 GMT
Good to hear we have a fan from across the pond. What made you become a Gashead, if you don't mind me asking? You'll have to make the pilgrimage to the Mem at some point. Appreciate it and yeah would like to come over at some point. And no I am not like the other American that came over because he liked playing us on a video game I think it was haha. And only been a fan for a few years; became one as a friend of mine is from Bristol and started watching games with him. Only other club I watch is Augsburg in Germany as when I traced my ancestry, thats where my ancestors came from haha. So you live in the states and have supported Rovers for a few years! Your writing is very similar to a previous forum member, must be a distant relative who came over on the Mayflower!!! UTG
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Post by kylegas on Nov 30, 2023 9:03:54 GMT
Did they not sack him before he was relegated? So he still started the process of the relegation?? Why are you getting so offended, you’re not his dad are you?? 👀 lol Another post without checking the facts. Monk was sacked at the beginning of Dec 2915 with the club in 15th position in the Premier league. They were relegated three years later in 2018. By the way, I am his dad, so what’s the problem there? I dont need to check the facts I asked a question to the know it all 😂 well according to people on here Taylor is getting the job so Monk can go fail at another championship club I guess 👀 lol
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Post by pirate on Nov 30, 2023 9:04:40 GMT
Matt Taylor done deal. Mangs, Whelan and Ventre gone. Huge shame if Glenn Whelan has been booted. Top bloke and clearly has the admiration of the players. I was hoping we could have utilised his vast experience and knowledge somehow. Tony Pulis speaks very highly of him as you might imagine. See here from about 2:35:
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2023 9:14:21 GMT
Huge shame if Glenn Whelan has been booted. Top bloke and clearly has the admiration of the players. I was hoping we could have utilised his vast experience and knowledge somehow. Tony Pulis speaks very highly of him as you might imagine. See here from about 2:35: I think the club needs the swamp draining.
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Post by DrFaustus on Nov 30, 2023 9:32:26 GMT
Huge shame if Glenn Whelan has been booted. Top bloke and clearly has the admiration of the players. I was hoping we could have utilised his vast experience and knowledge somehow. Tony Pulis speaks very highly of him as you might imagine. See here from about 2:35: That's class. Cheers for sharing, Pirate. 👍🏴☠️
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Post by oviedista on Nov 30, 2023 9:33:07 GMT
Drain the swamp/ get our Rovers back - some posts on here sound like a football verison of MAGA.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2023 9:33:54 GMT
I was hoping we could have utilised his vast experience and knowledge somehow. Tony Pulis speaks very highly of him as you might imagine. See here from about 2:35: I think the club needs the swamp draining. Not into sentiment, regardless of being a good bloke you don’t need a man like Whelan around if the new appointment doesn’t want him. I I met Whelan at Peterborough and spent 5 mins or so chatting with him and I can confirm he’s a good guy but………….we have a squad which is so aligned to project Barton hijack, so much so they were desperate for his best mate to get the job. We don’t need players going to Whelan on the sly moaning about the new regime, footballers are manipulating and selfish, Campbell and that lot were guilty of this with Penney. I’m with you, get the swamp drained. We are told Kevin Bond was a good bloke, Barton bombed him for Whelan or Ventre, a good bloke usually is a victim somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2023 9:46:22 GMT
Drain the swamp/ get our Rovers back - some posts on here sound like a football verison of MAGA. Oh don’t you worry pal, for 3 years it’s been this, the idiot goes live Friday with his latest podcast interview glorifying his brothers murder of an innocent devoted Christian lad, his childhood, his antics with a cigar. Like the poor guys family need to hear this but this was also booked in when he was manager of us still. #HijackOver #WeveGotOurRoversBack #ProjectRebuildScoutingDepartment #VitosForSale 😂👍
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