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Nov 13, 2023 20:22:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2023 20:22:46 GMT
Good question and I initially thought the same …. Reality is that there are some teams in the league the Gas Girls are in who pay their players - the Gas Girls are not paid, also in terms of facilities and resources, the Gas Girls don’t get anything from the club - all of the resources that are provided are provided by the Community Trust who are a Charity separate from the club but affiliated to it… there are other league affiliated clubs in their League (Forest Green being one) and in Bristol, we have to compete against SGS (who have a huge pull because of their academy) and also Bristol City… When we missed out on promotion last season, they lost a number of players to other teams in the same and higher leagues as our girls pay their own way and don’t get paid… the only advantage they get is that the sponsorship means that they get kit and training kit provided and don’t have to pay for training each week… so they don’t have much of an advantage if any in comparison to the rest of their league… None of the coaching staff are paid etc to run the team or help out… I didnt know that. Surely, that has to change to enable the Gas Girls to progress. The club would need to take it all in house for this to change. I can’t imagine the community trust will want to hand over the running of the team to the FC |
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Nov 13, 2023 22:20:30 GMT
Post by bluestickgas1 on Nov 13, 2023 22:20:30 GMT
I didnt know that. Surely, that has to change to enable the Gas Girls to progress. Not a single team in tier 5 pay players,even tier 4 it's a very select few, i know these leagues very well as coach currently in tier 5 My mistake… I definitely know of some in Tier 4 who pay - it’s not all I agree but there are some… I thought that there were some clubs in Tier 5 who paid match / appearance fees or things of that nature but I’m happy to stand corrected…. I guess my main point is that to achieve and progress how far they have, it’s an amazing achievement…. And also credit to the girls who play ….. like all amateur teams , they are so reliant on the goodwill of those who support and the generosity of the sponsors etc…. |
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Post by mftc on Nov 14, 2023 11:40:57 GMT
At home in the second rd.
Opponents still to be decided but this is the first time the new incarnation of the Gas Girls has reached this round.
Well done all.
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Nov 14, 2023 12:44:57 GMT
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Post by faggotygas on Nov 14, 2023 12:44:57 GMT
Isn't it the same for all the other teams around Rovers though, volunteer run and players not paid? In fact, aren't Rovers likely to have more resources than those around them already, with the pulling power of the name? Good question and I initially thought the same …. Reality is that there are some teams in the league the Gas Girls are in who pay their players - the Gas Girls are not paid, also in terms of facilities and resources, the Gas Girls don’t get anything from the club - all of the resources that are provided are provided by the Community Trust who are a Charity separate from the club but affiliated to it… there are other league affiliated clubs in their League (Forest Green being one) and in Bristol, we have to compete against SGS (who have a huge pull because of their academy) and also Bristol City… When we missed out on promotion last season, they lost a number of players to other teams in the same and higher leagues as our girls pay their own way and don’t get paid… the only advantage they get is that the sponsorship means that they get kit and training kit provided and don’t have to pay for training each week… so they don’t have much of an advantage if any in comparison to the rest of their league… None of the coaching staff are paid etc to run the team or help out… Hmm, not sure about that. Here's an interview with the Marine Academy treasurer from last year in which it's clear that they don't pay their players, and they are top of the division: impetusfootball.org/2022/04/21/marine-academy-plymouth-giving-opportunities-to-showcase-passion/. I know the guys at Pucklechurch and Frampton, they don't pay their players. I'm aware though that Rovers did lose some players in the summer, but signed quite a few too, such as Charlie Rowlands from rivals Forest Green. And don't forget the Rovers name has pulling power, compared to the likes of Pucklechurch, Frampton and Sherborne. that goes for the coaches too, although agree they aren't paid, many will be wanting to use Rovers as a stepping stone. I remember when they were in the Gloucestershire County league, my team had all of one coach on the sidelines, Rovers had about 10! I don't think City or SGS are relevant, they aren't competing against them. So at their current level, I don't think it's financial resources that are an issue. Perhaps just a settling period - GCWFL to South West East isn't much of a jump but SW East to SW Prem is, and the next promotion will be a massive leap. |
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Post by stickergas73 on Nov 14, 2023 21:57:56 GMT
I have lots of admiration for the Gas Girls. Myself and my daughter would go to games as often as we could but I haven't been this season, as she's just gone to Uni. I should make an effort to go at some point soon.
The football is genuinely enjoyable to watch and the volunteers have been really friendly and welcoming to us over the years. The off-pitch work has been incredible since the start, so kudos to everyone involved in that too!
My brother-in-law is a coach at a Tier 4 club, and recently we were chatting about the difficulties he's experiencing. Ultimately its down to money and time. His club are paying players and coaches, but not as much as most of the others in the League. They're being financed by a private investor who's effectively happy to lose money in the short to medium term. Then there's the increase in workload and travel to consider. It's a big step up and a lot to ask for any volunteer to work as the criteria alone seems to be getting more difficult.
What concerns me slightly is what other clubs are doing around us. Forest Green may not be paying players but they've invested in a full-time head of women's football. Swindon are paying players and staff, and will be playing 5 games at the County Ground. Cheltenham are paying and progressing well. Even clubs who are not necessarily affiliated to professional men's clubs are making investments. The Women's game is changing rapidly.
I'm no businessman but I'd assume that for the Gas Girls to get to that level of investment for the next step, it would have to be taken over by the club? I'm not sure whether the CT, being a charity, would even be allowed to make such an investment. Sponsorship is great and helpful but it would have to be pretty significant to make a difference. This is all guess work in fairness and I'm sure there's a plan in place for this.
Wishing you the best of luck in the next round girls! You deserve all of the support!
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Nov 14, 2023 22:28:24 GMT
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Post by js67 on Nov 14, 2023 22:28:24 GMT
I have lots of admiration for the Gas Girls. Myself and my daughter would go to games as often as we could but I haven't been this season, as she's just gone to Uni. I should make an effort to go at some point soon. The football is genuinely enjoyable to watch and the volunteers have been really friendly and welcoming to us over the years. The off-pitch work has been incredible since the start, so kudos to everyone involved in that too! My brother-in-law is a coach at a Tier 4 club, and recently we were chatting about the difficulties he's experiencing. Ultimately its down to money and time. His club are paying players and coaches, but not as much as most of the others in the League. They're being financed by a private investor who's effectively happy to lose money in the short to medium term. Then there's the increase in workload and travel to consider. It's a big step up and a lot to ask for any volunteer to work as the criteria alone seems to be getting more difficult. What concerns me slightly is what other clubs are doing around us. Forest Green may not be paying players but they've invested in a full-time head of women's football. Swindon are paying players and staff, and will be playing 5 games at the County Ground. Cheltenham are paying and progressing well. Even clubs who are not necessarily affiliated to professional men's clubs are making investments. The Women's game is changing rapidly. I'm no businessman but I'd assume that for the Gas Girls to get to that level of investment for the next step, it would have to be taken over by the club? I'm not sure whether the CT, being a charity, would even be allowed to make such an investment. Sponsorship is great and helpful but it would have to be pretty significant to make a difference. This is all guess work in fairness and I'm sure there's a plan in place for this. Wishing you the best of luck in the next round girls! You deserve all of the support! Forest Green Rovers appointed a full-time Head of ETC (Emerging Talent Centre- Girls Academy) & Head of ladies football, its a split role with a higher percentage of the hours overseeing running the girls academy of U9s-U16s |
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Post by stickergas73 on Nov 14, 2023 22:31:14 GMT
Yes but ultimately there's a person in a paid position who's job it is manage the first-team. Its more than what we have, which is my point. I have lots of admiration for the Gas Girls. Myself and my daughter would go to games as often as we could but I haven't been this season, as she's just gone to Uni. I should make an effort to go at some point soon. The football is genuinely enjoyable to watch and the volunteers have been really friendly and welcoming to us over the years. The off-pitch work has been incredible since the start, so kudos to everyone involved in that too! My brother-in-law is a coach at a Tier 4 club, and recently we were chatting about the difficulties he's experiencing. Ultimately its down to money and time. His club are paying players and coaches, but not as much as most of the others in the League. They're being financed by a private investor who's effectively happy to lose money in the short to medium term. Then there's the increase in workload and travel to consider. It's a big step up and a lot to ask for any volunteer to work as the criteria alone seems to be getting more difficult. What concerns me slightly is what other clubs are doing around us. Forest Green may not be paying players but they've invested in a full-time head of women's football. Swindon are paying players and staff, and will be playing 5 games at the County Ground. Cheltenham are paying and progressing well. Even clubs who are not necessarily affiliated to professional men's clubs are making investments. The Women's game is changing rapidly. I'm no businessman but I'd assume that for the Gas Girls to get to that level of investment for the next step, it would have to be taken over by the club? I'm not sure whether the CT, being a charity, would even be allowed to make such an investment. Sponsorship is great and helpful but it would have to be pretty significant to make a difference. This is all guess work in fairness and I'm sure there's a plan in place for this. Wishing you the best of luck in the next round girls! You deserve all of the support! Forest Green Rovers appointed a full-time Head of ETC (Emerging Talent Centre- Girls Academy) & Head of ladies football, its a split role with a higher percentage of the hours overseeing running the girls academy of U9s-U16s |
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Nov 15, 2023 10:53:41 GMT
Post by faggotygas on Nov 15, 2023 10:53:41 GMT
I have lots of admiration for the Gas Girls. Myself and my daughter would go to games as often as we could but I haven't been this season, as she's just gone to Uni. I should make an effort to go at some point soon. The football is genuinely enjoyable to watch and the volunteers have been really friendly and welcoming to us over the years. The off-pitch work has been incredible since the start, so kudos to everyone involved in that too! My brother-in-law is a coach at a Tier 4 club, and recently we were chatting about the difficulties he's experiencing. Ultimately its down to money and time. His club are paying players and coaches, but not as much as most of the others in the League. They're being financed by a private investor who's effectively happy to lose money in the short to medium term. Then there's the increase in workload and travel to consider. It's a big step up and a lot to ask for any volunteer to work as the criteria alone seems to be getting more difficult. What concerns me slightly is what other clubs are doing around us. Forest Green may not be paying players but they've invested in a full-time head of women's football. Swindon are paying players and staff, and will be playing 5 games at the County Ground. Cheltenham are paying and progressing well. Even clubs who are not necessarily affiliated to professional men's clubs are making investments. The Women's game is changing rapidly. I'm no businessman but I'd assume that for the Gas Girls to get to that level of investment for the next step, it would have to be taken over by the club? I'm not sure whether the CT, being a charity, would even be allowed to make such an investment. Sponsorship is great and helpful but it would have to be pretty significant to make a difference. This is all guess work in fairness and I'm sure there's a plan in place for this. Wishing you the best of luck in the next round girls! You deserve all of the support! Great insight there. That is a problem with the women's game in general at the moment - there's a much smaller number of steps in the pyramid than the men's game, which makes each promotion a progressively bigger step up in commitment. I've seen so many teams get a promotion but then lose players due to the extra commitment, and end up folding within a couple of seasons before eventually reforming lower down. Boco, Bitton, Bristol Ladies Union (at least twice!) among them. However, we are seeing more new clubs than ever before. The Gloucestershire County Women's Football League, the lowest tier league locally, is effectively full (they aren't allowed more than 3 divisions, with max 12 teams in each) so will need a pyramid restructure in order to take any more teams. Hopefully more steps will be created over time. |
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Post by stickergas73 on Nov 15, 2023 14:44:13 GMT
I have lots of admiration for the Gas Girls. Myself and my daughter would go to games as often as we could but I haven't been this season, as she's just gone to Uni. I should make an effort to go at some point soon. The football is genuinely enjoyable to watch and the volunteers have been really friendly and welcoming to us over the years. The off-pitch work has been incredible since the start, so kudos to everyone involved in that too! My brother-in-law is a coach at a Tier 4 club, and recently we were chatting about the difficulties he's experiencing. Ultimately its down to money and time. His club are paying players and coaches, but not as much as most of the others in the League. They're being financed by a private investor who's effectively happy to lose money in the short to medium term. Then there's the increase in workload and travel to consider. It's a big step up and a lot to ask for any volunteer to work as the criteria alone seems to be getting more difficult. What concerns me slightly is what other clubs are doing around us. Forest Green may not be paying players but they've invested in a full-time head of women's football. Swindon are paying players and staff, and will be playing 5 games at the County Ground. Cheltenham are paying and progressing well. Even clubs who are not necessarily affiliated to professional men's clubs are making investments. The Women's game is changing rapidly. I'm no businessman but I'd assume that for the Gas Girls to get to that level of investment for the next step, it would have to be taken over by the club? I'm not sure whether the CT, being a charity, would even be allowed to make such an investment. Sponsorship is great and helpful but it would have to be pretty significant to make a difference. This is all guess work in fairness and I'm sure there's a plan in place for this. Wishing you the best of luck in the next round girls! You deserve all of the support! Great insight there. That is a problem with the women's game in general at the moment - there's a much smaller number of steps in the pyramid than the men's game, which makes each promotion a progressively bigger step up in commitment. I've seen so many teams get a promotion but then lose players due to the extra commitment, and end up folding within a couple of seasons before eventually reforming lower down. Boco, Bitton, Bristol Ladies Union (at least twice!) among them. However, we are seeing more new clubs than ever before. The Gloucestershire County Women's Football League, the lowest tier league locally, is effectively full (they aren't allowed more than 3 divisions, with max 12 teams in each) so will need a pyramid restructure in order to take any more teams. Hopefully more steps will be created over time. Yes I think you're spot on there. From what I've noticed the gaps between each league from Tier 5 upwards are enormous. Not just from a footballing sense but also in terms of finances, facilities and staffing etc. We see so many people giving up their time at grassroots level but when things get serious, there's a reluctance to progress. Understandably so too. Perhaps there can be more support from the FA? But they are increasing the FA Cup prize money at the moment which is progress I suppose. It's fantastic to hear about the County Leagues too. To have three divisions pretty much full is very impressive. Wonderful to have lots of opportunities for women and girls to play. Even in the space of a few years since my daughter played, there's a been a noticeable difference. I'm interested to see what happens with the Gas Girls in the near future. Ultimately it will come down to an investment of some sort, which I hope will come. Who foots the bill is the question. Or is Tier 4/5 our level now? |
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Nov 26, 2023 18:40:30 GMT
Post by Colyton Gas on Nov 26, 2023 18:40:30 GMT
Keynsham Ladies won in the FA Cup today.Are we below them in the pecking order then?
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Post by mftc on Nov 27, 2023 9:14:46 GMT
Keynsham Ladies won in the FA Cup today.Are we below them in the pecking order then? I think so. Playing the second Rd on Sunday. Rovers v Keynsham - local derby. Hope they get a good crowd. |
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Nov 27, 2023 9:42:50 GMT
Keynsham Ladies won in the FA Cup today.Are we below them in the pecking order then? Yes … they’re mid-table in the league above and we’re top of the league below them. Marine who they beat on penalties are 2nd in our league. We beat the team who were either bottom or close to the bottom of the league above in the last round so this one is going to be difficult but is winnable… I actually have more confidence about beating Keynsham than I would have had with Marine… The prize is Round 3 when I think the Super League teams enter and we get the chance of drawing the big guns or even a local derby against City …. Whatever happens it is a fantastic achievement as this is the furthest in the competition the Gas Girls have ever got. |
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Nov 27, 2023 9:58:50 GMT
Post by percy on Nov 27, 2023 9:58:50 GMT
Keynsham Ladies won in the FA Cup today.Are we below them in the pecking order then? Yes … they’re mid-table in the league above and we’re top of the league below them. Marine who they beat on penalties are 2nd in our league. We beat the team who were either bottom or close to the bottom of the league above in the last round so this one is going to be difficult but is winnable… I actually have more confidence about beating Keynsham than I would have had with Marine… The prize is Round 3 when I think the Super League teams enter and we get the chance of drawing the big guns or even a local derby against City …. Whatever happens it is a fantastic achievement as this is the furthest in the competition the Gas Girls have ever got. Thanks, very helpful. I have been watching the girls results and division with interest but know very little about the rest of the pyramid until we get to Mary Earps et al! |
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Post by stickergas73 on Nov 27, 2023 10:15:21 GMT
Keynsham Ladies won in the FA Cup today.Are we below them in the pecking order then? Yes … they’re mid-table in the league above and we’re top of the league below them. Marine who they beat on penalties are 2nd in our league. We beat the team who were either bottom or close to the bottom of the league above in the last round so this one is going to be difficult but is winnable… I actually have more confidence about beating Keynsham than I would have had with Marine… The prize is Round 3 when I think the Super League teams enter and we get the chance of drawing the big guns or even a local derby against City …. Whatever happens it is a fantastic achievement as this is the furthest in the competition the Gas Girls have ever got. I don't think I can attend unfortunately due to work but I hope they'll get some good support. Nothing to fear with Keynsham and no pressure on the girls at all. Just go out there and enjoy it, whatever happens. I do believe that the WSL teams come into the 4th Round, not the 3rd but the Championship Teams will come into play. Happy to be corrected there. There is some good prize money to pick up too and I'd love to see that reinvested back into the club as well. The players and volunteers deserve it. |
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Nov 27, 2023 12:45:11 GMT
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Post by bluestickgas1 on Nov 27, 2023 12:45:11 GMT
Yes … they’re mid-table in the league above and we’re top of the league below them. Marine who they beat on penalties are 2nd in our league. We beat the team who were either bottom or close to the bottom of the league above in the last round so this one is going to be difficult but is winnable… I actually have more confidence about beating Keynsham than I would have had with Marine… The prize is Round 3 when I think the Super League teams enter and we get the chance of drawing the big guns or even a local derby against City …. Whatever happens it is a fantastic achievement as this is the furthest in the competition the Gas Girls have ever got. I don't think I can attend unfortunately due to work but I hope they'll get some good support. Nothing to fear with Keynsham and no pressure on the girls at all. Just go out there and enjoy it, whatever happens. I do believe that the WSL teams come into the 4th Round, not the 3rd but the Championship Teams will come into play. Happy to be corrected there. There is some good prize money to pick up too and I'd love to see that reinvested back into the club as well. The players and volunteers deserve it. You could be right re the WSL teams - I had assumed it was the same as the men’s FA Cup when it’s the 3rd round when they come in but I could be wrong… you are right, getting this far and if they can go one step further, there is serious prize money that if reinvested could help progress the girls so far and help set them up for the next few seasons and beyond… |
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Nov 27, 2023 16:16:30 GMT
Post by percy on Nov 27, 2023 16:16:30 GMT
Luton Town (A) in round 3 if we get past Keynsham. UTGG
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Dec 3, 2023 13:31:08 GMT
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Post by percy on Dec 3, 2023 13:31:08 GMT
Currently 1 down to Keynsham . Come on Gas Girls!!
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Dec 3, 2023 14:34:44 GMT
Post by yattongas on Dec 3, 2023 14:34:44 GMT
2-0 . Losing to the mighty Keynsham .
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Dec 3, 2023 14:44:49 GMT
Post by yattongas on Dec 3, 2023 14:44:49 GMT
1-2
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Dec 3, 2023 15:32:16 GMT
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Post by percy on Dec 3, 2023 15:32:16 GMT
Unlucky. Go and win promotion now. UTGG
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