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Post by scdave on Nov 13, 2023 20:56:53 GMT
A lot of talk about the level of excitement on the pitch recently and a few people are mentioning GC as a good win ration without playing sideways.
For me a really talented winger just raises the excitement level.
I was extremely fortune to watch Mickey Barrett. "Skin im Mickey" was one of the first shouts I heard at football.
At the Mem, Archie (Lee Archer) was unlucky due to injury. Very underated in my opinion but he played in the Twerton era when defenders were allowed to tackle. How many times under Wardy did he and Worrell do a great defensive job before sprinting away and creating a chance on a plate for John Taylor.
Wally Walters is for me the best winger we have had at the Mem. Just different class.
Wayne Carlisle was a very good player in an average team and again very underated. Atkins was good at spotting players, so it's a pity he missed what we already had.
I must admit I was gutted when Tom Ramasut was allowed to leave with Lockwood and Hayfield. His goal v Wigan was outstanding and the way he waltzed through the Brentford defence, it was like Georgie Kinkladze! Really surprised he did not go to have a good footballing career. Lockwood was an outstanding crosser of the ball 2/5/95 for Barry Hayles last gasp header is a prime example.
I know football has changed but the simple task of a keeper throwing to a full back, to make a few yards before passing to a skilful winger just gets the crowd going.
Hopefully Mangs is reading and we can speed up the process so Cox gathers and quickly throws to Hunt who gives it to Thomas. Defence to attack in a few quick decisive moves.
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Post by warehamgas on Nov 13, 2023 21:11:59 GMT
Good post dave.
All those good things happen when you play with pace. Certainly play quickly moving from keeper to full back and then to winger is a way to do this. At Pompey first match of the season Luke Thomas’s goal was like that in a way. It was a counter attack where the ball arrived quickly in midfield after a Pompey attack, it was moved quickly to the forwards and a few passes later to Luke Thomas who arrived in the area to score. Playing with pace is the way esp if you can catch teams on the counter attack. Pompey, iirc, we’re trying to get back as LT scored. Play on the front foot with pace, not just from one or two but as a team so that defenders are outnumbered. 👍
UTG!
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Post by phillistine on Nov 13, 2023 21:34:09 GMT
A lot of talk about the level of excitement on the pitch recently and a few people are mentioning GC as a good win ration without playing sideways. For me a really talented winger just raises the excitement level. I was extremely fortune to watch Mickey Barrett. "Skin im Mickey" was one of the first shouts I heard at football. At the Mem, Archie (Lee Archer) was unlucky due to injury. Very underated in my opinion but he played in the Twerton era when defenders were allowed to tackle. How many times under Wardy did he and Worrell do a great defensive job before sprinting away and creating a chance on a plate for John Taylor. Wally Walters is for me the best winger we have had at the Mem. Just different class. Wayne Carlisle was a very good player in an average team and again very underated. Atkins was good at spotting players, so it's a pity he missed what we already had. I must admit I was gutted when Tom Ramasut was allowed to leave with Lockwood and Hayfield. His goal v Wigan was outstanding and the way he waltzed through the Brentford defence, it was like Georgie Kinkladze! Really surprised he did not go to have a good footballing career. Lockwood was an outstanding crosser of the ball 2/5/95 for Barry Hayles last gasp header is a prime example. I know football has changed but the simple task of a keeper throwing to a full back, to make a few yards before passing to a skilful winger just gets the crowd going. Hopefully Mangs is reading and we can speed up the process so Cox gathers and quickly throws to Hunt who gives it to Thomas. Defence to attack in a few quick decisive moves. showing my age here but an old friend of mine played for Walsall and he said that whenever they came up against Rovers - the instruction was always to hit Mickey Barrett with a hard tackle in the first few minutes or he would skin you as the match went on. Incidentally you forgot to mention Percy who could be great on his day |
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Post by lympstonegas on Nov 13, 2023 22:43:35 GMT
A lot of talk about the level of excitement on the pitch recently and a few people are mentioning GC as a good win ration without playing sideways. For me a really talented winger just raises the excitement level. I was extremely fortune to watch Mickey Barrett. "Skin im Mickey" was one of the first shouts I heard at football. At the Mem, Archie (Lee Archer) was unlucky due to injury. Very underated in my opinion but he played in the Twerton era when defenders were allowed to tackle. How many times under Wardy did he and Worrell do a great defensive job before sprinting away and creating a chance on a plate for John Taylor. Wally Walters is for me the best winger we have had at the Mem. Just different class. Wayne Carlisle was a very good player in an average team and again very underated. Atkins was good at spotting players, so it's a pity he missed what we already had. I must admit I was gutted when Tom Ramasut was allowed to leave with Lockwood and Hayfield. His goal v Wigan was outstanding and the way he waltzed through the Brentford defence, it was like Georgie Kinkladze! Really surprised he did not go to have a good footballing career. Lockwood was an outstanding crosser of the ball 2/5/95 for Barry Hayles last gasp header is a prime example. I know football has changed but the simple task of a keeper throwing to a full back, to make a few yards before passing to a skilful winger just gets the crowd going. Hopefully Mangs is reading and we can speed up the process so Cox gathers and quickly throws to Hunt who gives it to Thomas. Defence to attack in a few quick decisive moves. Good post and makes sense when you’ve been brought up watching the likes of Jarman Graydon Kenny Stephens etc |
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Post by lympstonegas on Nov 13, 2023 22:45:08 GMT
A lot of talk about the level of excitement on the pitch recently and a few people are mentioning GC as a good win ration without playing sideways. For me a really talented winger just raises the excitement level. I was extremely fortune to watch Mickey Barrett. "Skin im Mickey" was one of the first shouts I heard at football. At the Mem, Archie (Lee Archer) was unlucky due to injury. Very underated in my opinion but he played in the Twerton era when defenders were allowed to tackle. How many times under Wardy did he and Worrell do a great defensive job before sprinting away and creating a chance on a plate for John Taylor. Wally Walters is for me the best winger we have had at the Mem. Just different class. Wayne Carlisle was a very good player in an average team and again very underated. Atkins was good at spotting players, so it's a pity he missed what we already had. I must admit I was gutted when Tom Ramasut was allowed to leave with Lockwood and Hayfield. His goal v Wigan was outstanding and the way he waltzed through the Brentford defence, it was like Georgie Kinkladze! Really surprised he did not go to have a good footballing career. Lockwood was an outstanding crosser of the ball 2/5/95 for Barry Hayles last gasp header is a prime example. I know football has changed but the simple task of a keeper throwing to a full back, to make a few yards before passing to a skilful winger just gets the crowd going. Hopefully Mangs is reading and we can speed up the process so Cox gathers and quickly throws to Hunt who gives it to Thomas. Defence to attack in a few quick decisive moves. Good post and makes sense when you’ve been brought up watching the likes of Jarman Graydon Kenny Stephens Fearnley etc who could not only beat any player at pace, cross and score goals themselves regularly |
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Post by albaron on Nov 13, 2023 22:45:24 GMT
A lot of talk about the level of excitement on the pitch recently and a few people are mentioning GC as a good win ration without playing sideways. For me a really talented winger just raises the excitement level. I was extremely fortune to watch Mickey Barrett. "Skin im Mickey" was one of the first shouts I heard at football. At the Mem, Archie (Lee Archer) was unlucky due to injury. Very underated in my opinion but he played in the Twerton era when defenders were allowed to tackle. How many times under Wardy did he and Worrell do a great defensive job before sprinting away and creating a chance on a plate for John Taylor. Wally Walters is for me the best winger we have had at the Mem. Just different class. Wayne Carlisle was a very good player in an average team and again very underated. Atkins was good at spotting players, so it's a pity he missed what we already had. I must admit I was gutted when Tom Ramasut was allowed to leave with Lockwood and Hayfield. His goal v Wigan was outstanding and the way he waltzed through the Brentford defence, it was like Georgie Kinkladze! Really surprised he did not go to have a good footballing career. Lockwood was an outstanding crosser of the ball 2/5/95 for Barry Hayles last gasp header is a prime example. I know football has changed but the simple task of a keeper throwing to a full back, to make a few yards before passing to a skilful winger just gets the crowd going. Hopefully Mangs is reading and we can speed up the process so Cox gathers and quickly throws to Hunt who gives it to Thomas. Defence to attack in a few quick decisive moves. showing my age here but an old friend of mine played for Walsall and he said that whenever they came up against Rovers - the instruction was always to hit Mickey Barrett with a hard tackle in the first few minutes or he would skin you as the match went on. Incidentally you forgot to mention Percy who could be great on his day Micky Barrett was a wonderfully skilled player who would have gone on to higher things. Going back I would also say Harold Jarman and perhaps if he had not been injured Andrew Evans. Both those two were also great wingers. |
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Post by rememberhalifax on Nov 14, 2023 4:46:52 GMT
Harold was simply the best, could waltz through a defence and finish! Graydon was like a greyhound but not so clinical with the finish, there's been a few over the years, one very recent and clear memory is the preseason game v Chesterfield when the young full back Jones took it upon himself to go on a run from halfway ,got to by line and put over an inch perfect cross for Marquis who met it perfectly only to head it wide, the whole move was like watching a 1950's game, shame about the finish though, but it sticks in the memory.
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 14, 2023 7:53:01 GMT
Nice op.
I guess it's a luxury having a winger that will go past their man....they won't be for every encounter, but worth their weight in my book.
We need pace on the flanks as Carlisle proved.
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Post by badengas on Nov 14, 2023 8:33:41 GMT
Lewis Haldane took stick for his spikey hair, orange skin, and ability to fall over, but....
He was at times a very pacey, skilful winger.
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Post by percy on Nov 14, 2023 9:09:08 GMT
Great OP. Wingers are the best. A fast run, whipped cross and bullet header are THE best goals. No question.
Yours
PercyP
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Post by dudelebowski on Nov 14, 2023 9:22:47 GMT
Top post.
Archer, Walters, Carlisle all favourites of mine (ours) growing up. In modern times it was Muzzy Carayol who could do exactly as the OP describes, go past one man he’ll go past the next 3! Amazing talent that should’ve saw a lot more championship football (or higher) than he did.
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Post by mftc on Nov 14, 2023 10:20:55 GMT
It disappointing that I can't think of any more wingers at the Mem!
Football has definitely gone down hill when we just have wide midfielders who "do a job" and possession based football.
To be fair we have had some decent wing backs Gurney was good in that role and if THD could have stayed fit he was a very good player. Even Barry Hayles played there once when we down to nine men and he was truly outstanding.
Lockwood and Jacobson were two wing backs that slipped away but could have been stars at this club. Same could have been said for the wingers Ramasut and Carlise. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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Post by oasisgas on Nov 14, 2023 10:24:21 GMT
It disappointing that I can't think of any more wingers at the Mem! Football has definitely gone down hill when we just have wide midfielders who "do a job" and possession based football. To be fair we have had some decent wing backs Gurney was good in that role and if THD could have stayed fit he was a very good player. Even Barry Hayles played there once when we down to nine men and he was truly outstanding. Lockwood and Jacobson were two wing backs that slipped away but could have been stars at this club. Same could have been said for the wingers Ramasut and Carlise. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Lee Hodges was a good player but when he joined us I think Injuries had caught up with him sadly but still showed moments. Another one of the top of my head was Ryan Williams. |
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Post by Gastafari on Nov 14, 2023 10:38:14 GMT
Luke Thomas and Harvey Vale I would say are the closest we've got to being old school wingers.
The Geordie Maradona played wide left and was an absolute joy to watch.
I suppose Football has changed, from the very top to Non League 4-4-2 is rarely used anymore and out and out wingers are now becoming a thing of the past.
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Post by Colyton Gas on Nov 14, 2023 10:44:35 GMT
Peter Hooper and Georgie Petherbridge were top notch but Worrall Sterling never actually beat a defender.
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Post by Kingswood Polak on Nov 14, 2023 11:12:27 GMT
showing my age here but an old friend of mine played for Walsall and he said that whenever they came up against Rovers - the instruction was always to hit Mickey Barrett with a hard tackle in the first few minutes or he would skin you as the match went on. Incidentally you forgot to mention Percy who could be great on his day Micky Barrett was a wonderfully skilled player who would have gone on to higher things. Going back I would also say Harold Jarman and perhaps if he had not been injured Andrew Evans. Both those two were also great wingers. Surprised no mention of Colin Dobson Great left winger who supplied smash and grab lot of goal chances. |
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Post by scdave on Nov 14, 2023 11:16:17 GMT
A lot of talk about the level of excitement on the pitch recently and a few people are mentioning GC as a good win ration without playing sideways. For me a really talented winger just raises the excitement level. I was extremely fortune to watch Mickey Barrett. "Skin im Mickey" was one of the first shouts I heard at football. At the Mem, Archie (Lee Archer) was unlucky due to injury. Very underated in my opinion but he played in the Twerton era when defenders were allowed to tackle. How many times under Wardy did he and Worrell do a great defensive job before sprinting away and creating a chance on a plate for John Taylor. Wally Walters is for me the best winger we have had at the Mem. Just different class. Wayne Carlisle was a very good player in an average team and again very underated. Atkins was good at spotting players, so it's a pity he missed what we already had. I must admit I was gutted when Tom Ramasut was allowed to leave with Lockwood and Hayfield. His goal v Wigan was outstanding and the way he waltzed through the Brentford defence, it was like Georgie Kinkladze! Really surprised he did not go to have a good footballing career. Lockwood was an outstanding crosser of the ball 2/5/95 for Barry Hayles last gasp header is a prime example. I know football has changed but the simple task of a keeper throwing to a full back, to make a few yards before passing to a skilful winger just gets the crowd going. Hopefully Mangs is reading and we can speed up the process so Cox gathers and quickly throws to Hunt who gives it to Thomas. Defence to attack in a few quick decisive moves. showing my age here but an old friend of mine played for Walsall and he said that whenever they came up against Rovers - the instruction was always to hit Mickey Barrett with a hard tackle in the first few minutes or he would skin you as the match went on. Incidentally you forgot to mention Percy who could be great on his day Wouldn't forget Percy, O'Connor, Ollie or Pounder. I was meaning how there have been so few wingers at the Mem in the league. Monkhouse was quality but still a wide man but not a skin em type winger, but the Conference season we had Gosling, Balanta, Dawson and Della Verde who could beat a man and get in a cross. Wingers since have been few and far between and have not had much of a look in - Alex Henshall for example. I wouldn't say Bodin was an out and out winger but still very exciting to watch. |
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Post by o2o2bo2ba on Nov 14, 2023 11:18:23 GMT
Kyle Bennett was um....a whinger.
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Post by mftc on Nov 14, 2023 11:30:11 GMT
No one has mentioned Frankie Bennett. Surperb up at Gay Meadow (for Shrewsbury!)
Again a quality player but suffered from injuries. There seems to be a common theme.
How come Alan Walsh had one move "the Walshy shuffle" but never got a bad injury. Luck for him he played in the days before scouts watched the opposition.
I'm sure the analysts would have had a field day giving instructions to their full back when facing a one trick pony.
Dave Smith and Gavin never got much change out of Jocky or Joner when defenders were allowed to challenge.
Mark Dennis and Chopper Ron wouldn't last 5 mins nowadays!
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Post by lastminutewinner on Nov 14, 2023 12:02:27 GMT
Kyle Bennett was um....a whinger. This is what I thought the whole thread was about given the moaning lately.. |
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