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Post by supergas on Nov 10, 2024 11:47:21 GMT
...so pretty much all the evidence points to a two-tier policing approach and yet you insult the people who are pointing that out? When Romas riot in Harehills (protesting a perfectly legal social services intervention), the police step back whilst a bus and one of their own vehicles is torched. When the offenders plea guilty (and let's remember people were on the bus when it was attacked) they get three years for arson...but if you yell at the police (after children have been killed in Southport) you get a fast-track conviction to serve 2 years/8 months for violent disorder. A very different offence, a very similar sentence. Would you like to support Palestinians? Good news, you can march with others supporting Palestine (as well as those supporting Hamas) in London every weekend. The Met will close roads and allow you to shout "Jihad, Jihad, Jihad" and call for "Muslim armies" to invade Israel...be careful not to hold up a sign calling Hamas "terrorists" or rent a billboard showing images of the people Hamas took hostage though - that's not allowed despite the claims being factually accurate and you will be arrested and/or your billboard removed... Don't get me wrong. Frontline policing is difficult and I couldn't do it. But these and many other issues are caused by leaders in both the police and the government making poor decisions, exposing those on the frontline to valid criticism when the decisions are enforced. Absolute bollox đ The specific claims or the overall idea? There are plenty more examples...back in August a group gathered in Birmingham to 'protect a mosque'. Who/what from was never made clear and the mosque was not attacked. The group themselves though damaged vehicles, threatened and attempted to assault journalists whilst locals at a pub were beaten leaving one with a lacerated liver. Police were called various times and didn't attend, the force telling journalists the next day they had met with 'community leaders' and agreed to allow the gathering to 'police itself'...which went well if you were a journalist or a karaoke fan in the area that night...I can't think of any other time when the police would let armed gangs on the streets of the UK's second largest city 'police themselves', can you? It's not just the police either, the fast-track prosecutions clearly went to the Judge's heads. There are more and more examples being published of judges handing down custodial sentences of two-to-three years for rioters vs very lenient suspended sentences for other serious offences. Brandon Kirkwood got two and a half years for pushing a wheelie bin at police. The same judge just weeks before told a man convicted of child pornography offences to "...get out more away from your computer..." and gave him a non-custodial 30-day rehabilitation order. 157 category A images.... Different judge, same problem. Twelve weeks for being racist on Facebook *or* 15 days rehabilitation work for five separate offences over indecent images of children. Different judge, same problem. Incitement to violence on Facebook, 20 months in prison. *Or* just six months if you only have 8000 indecent images of children... |
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Post by aghast on Nov 10, 2024 23:47:04 GMT
Surely youâre not thick enough to promulgate the two tier policing theory are you France like the nut jobs whoâve liked your post ? đđ ...so pretty much all the evidence points to a two-tier policing approach and yet you insult the people who are pointing that out? When Romas riot in Harehills (protesting a perfectly legal social services intervention), the police step back whilst a bus and one of their own vehicles is torched. When the offenders plea guilty (and let's remember people were on the bus when it was attacked) they get three years for arson...but if you yell at the police (after children have been killed in Southport) you get a fast-track conviction to serve 2 years/8 months for violent disorder. A very different offence, a very similar sentence. Would you like to support Palestinians? Good news, you can march with others supporting Palestine (as well as those supporting Hamas) in London every weekend. The Met will close roads and allow you to shout "Jihad, Jihad, Jihad" and call for "Muslim armies" to invade Israel...be careful not to hold up a sign calling Hamas "terrorists" or rent a billboard showing images of the people Hamas took hostage though - that's not allowed despite the claims being factually accurate and you will be arrested and/or your billboard removed... Don't get me wrong. Frontline policing is difficult and I couldn't do it. But these and many other issues are caused by leaders in both the police and the government making poor decisions, exposing those on the frontline to valid criticism when the decisions are enforced. Sorry a bit late but thought I'd reply. That's a very well argued post which doesn't get derailed with hatred for Muslims or immigrants in general. It's hard to discuss this stuff without tempers getting frayed (see the other forum) so well done for that. As to the content, I find it hard to discuss the so-called two tier policing system because I don't have access to the decisions taken by the police about who to arrest and charge. Some of it seems inconsistent but I don't have the facts to make assertions. |
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Post by supergas on Nov 11, 2024 12:08:55 GMT
...so pretty much all the evidence points to a two-tier policing approach and yet you insult the people who are pointing that out? When Romas riot in Harehills (protesting a perfectly legal social services intervention), the police step back whilst a bus and one of their own vehicles is torched. When the offenders plea guilty (and let's remember people were on the bus when it was attacked) they get three years for arson...but if you yell at the police (after children have been killed in Southport) you get a fast-track conviction to serve 2 years/8 months for violent disorder. A very different offence, a very similar sentence. Would you like to support Palestinians? Good news, you can march with others supporting Palestine (as well as those supporting Hamas) in London every weekend. The Met will close roads and allow you to shout "Jihad, Jihad, Jihad" and call for "Muslim armies" to invade Israel...be careful not to hold up a sign calling Hamas "terrorists" or rent a billboard showing images of the people Hamas took hostage though - that's not allowed despite the claims being factually accurate and you will be arrested and/or your billboard removed... Don't get me wrong. Frontline policing is difficult and I couldn't do it. But these and many other issues are caused by leaders in both the police and the government making poor decisions, exposing those on the frontline to valid criticism when the decisions are enforced. Sorry a bit late but thought I'd reply. That's a very well argued post which doesn't get derailed with hatred for Muslims or immigrants in general. It's hard to discuss this stuff without tempers getting frayed (see the other forum) so well done for that. As to the content, I find it hard to discuss the so-called two tier policing system because I don't have access to the decisions taken by the police about who to arrest and charge. Some of it seems inconsistent but I don't have the facts to make assertions. The decisions behind-the-scenes will never be made public so all we can judge is the end result. As soon as they announced fast-track prosecutions/convictions they risked these kinds of comparison and this list is just the tip of the iceberg. At the *same* time as saying there was no space in the prison system they've put tens, maybe hundreds of people behind bars for multiple years with very little justification... |
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Post by aghast on Nov 11, 2024 21:44:50 GMT
Very interesting two part documentary on iPlayer called Immigration: How British Politics Failed.
Seems pretty well balanced to me but I suppose that depends how far you tip to one side or another.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Nov 12, 2024 19:07:00 GMT
...so pretty much all the evidence points to a two-tier policing approach and yet you insult the people who are pointing that out? When Romas riot in Harehills (protesting a perfectly legal social services intervention), the police step back whilst a bus and one of their own vehicles is torched. When the offenders plea guilty (and let's remember people were on the bus when it was attacked) they get three years for arson...but if you yell at the police (after children have been killed in Southport) you get a fast-track conviction to serve 2 years/8 months for violent disorder. A very different offence, a very similar sentence. Would you like to support Palestinians? Good news, you can march with others supporting Palestine (as well as those supporting Hamas) in London every weekend. The Met will close roads and allow you to shout "Jihad, Jihad, Jihad" and call for "Muslim armies" to invade Israel...be careful not to hold up a sign calling Hamas "terrorists" or rent a billboard showing images of the people Hamas took hostage though - that's not allowed despite the claims being factually accurate and you will be arrested and/or your billboard removed... Don't get me wrong. Frontline policing is difficult and I couldn't do it. But these and many other issues are caused by leaders in both the police and the government making poor decisions, exposing those on the frontline to valid criticism when the decisions are enforced. Absolute bollox đ Showing your absolute ignorance once again, why do you think this country is all Rainbows and Unicorns? Two interviews here from coppers/ex coppers stating there is two tier policing, but of course they are lying and you are the only one that is right |
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Post by supergas on Nov 13, 2024 9:00:00 GMT
Showing your absolute ignorance once again, why do you think this country is all Rainbows and Unicorns? Two interviews here from coppers/ex coppers stating there is two tier policing, but of course they are lying and you are the only one that is right For those who can't be bothered to watch, I know a bit about the Rick Prior one. His job is to defend frontline officers and was talking about recent cases where officers were cleared on appeal after initial investigations/judgements by the Independent Office for Police Conduct. As an example one officer was found guilty of common assault by beating and fined £1,500. The 'offence' was a small bruise on the arm of a black lady who was effectively resisting arrest. Both parties at fault but more worrying is the wider reaction to the initial incident... The Met said that the incident "...divided opinions..." and had significant impact on the black community in Croydon and beyond. It clearly didn't, it impacted one woman who got a bruise on one arm. How on earth does it affect the whole black community in Croydon and beyond...?!? When talking about this kind of incident Prior simply called that out. Officers "...no longer call out bad behaviour⌠for fear of upsetting certain elements of the community..." - and it's true. Here's another example. At the Notting Hill Carnival this year, over two days there were 61 incidents where officers were assaulted, eight stabbings and 349 total arrests. How on earth is it still allowed to go ahead with 61 police officers being assaulted? That's more than one per hour...for comparison Glastonbury runs for 5 days and this year there were only 121 incidents, 30 arrests, and (as far as I can see from the reporting) no one was stabbed and no police officers were assaulted. Want to bet which event has a harder time getting it's license renewed next time around...? |
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Post by francegas on Nov 14, 2024 20:00:45 GMT
Who says there's not two tier policing in the UK. 1. Nicola Wilcox was arrested during the Leeds Harehills riots whilst handing out refreshments to the Police. Her charge sheet has been exposed and states she shouted out to the rioters " Go home you are devaluing our properties" she was arrested for "disturbing a romani vigil". Normally you burn a candle at a vigil not a double decker bus! Videos on social media show dozens lobbing bricks yet out of 27 arrests only 4 jailed for arson. (How many arrested and jailed after Southport). 2. Careworker Cameron Bell has been jailed for 9 months. She was still wearing her uniform so probably on her way home when she live streamed a group of about 20 masked men making racist comments. She could be heard swearing and calling asylum seekers "tramps" . This was after the riot in Staffordshire which she was not involved in. Meanwhile.... TikToker who made jokes about gassing Jewish people is spared jail www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14083877/TikTok-influencer-antisemite-badge-gassing-Jewish-people-spared-jail.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton |
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Post by supergas on Nov 15, 2024 11:34:34 GMT
This is a scary one. Telegraph journalist Allison Pearson is being investigated by police over a post on Twitter more than twelve months ago. A member of the public complained and it's being investigated as a ânon-crime hate incidentâ.
Two officers called at her home on Sunday. It was to do with something posted on X/Twitter more than a year ago. When she asked what sheâd allegedly said in the post, the officer replied that he was not allowed to disclose it. The accuserâs name was also withheld from her. She is accused of a ânon-crimeâ, cannot be told what she wrote that was 'wrong' nor who is accusing her of the 'crime'.
How can you even start to defend yourself against a charge where they won't tell you what you've done or who is upset by it? If a ânon-crime hate incidentâ is recorded against you it can show up on criminal record checks and prevent you from getting a job or a visa. All for a non-crime you can't defend yourself against. Also don't bother deleting old social media posts, deletion doesn't stop the investigations...
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Post by supergas on Nov 15, 2024 11:37:06 GMT
This is a scary one. Telegraph journalist Allison Pearson is being investigated by police over a post on Twitter more than twelve months ago. A member of the public complained and it's being investigated as a ânon-crime hate incidentâ. Two officers called at her home on Sunday. It was to do with something posted on X/Twitter more than a year ago. When she asked what sheâd allegedly said in the post, the officer replied that he was not allowed to disclose it. The accuserâs name was also withheld from her. She is accused of a ânon-crimeâ, cannot be told what she wrote that was 'wrong' nor who is accusing her of the 'crime'. How can you even start to defend yourself against a charge where they won't tell you what you've done or who is upset by it? If a ânon-crime hate incidentâ is recorded against you it can show up on criminal record checks and prevent you from getting a job or a visa. All for a non-crime you can't defend yourself against. Also don't bother deleting old social media posts, deletion doesn't stop the investigations... ...as a side-note, if your house if burgled on a Saturday the chances of two police officers turning up on Sunday is low to zero... |
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Post by trevorgas on Nov 15, 2024 12:23:57 GMT
This is a scary one. Telegraph journalist Allison Pearson is being investigated by police over a post on Twitter more than twelve months ago. A member of the public complained and it's being investigated as a ânon-crime hate incidentâ. Two officers called at her home on Sunday. It was to do with something posted on X/Twitter more than a year ago. When she asked what sheâd allegedly said in the post, the officer replied that he was not allowed to disclose it. The accuserâs name was also withheld from her. She is accused of a ânon-crimeâ, cannot be told what she wrote that was 'wrong' nor who is accusing her of the 'crime'. How can you even start to defend yourself against a charge where they won't tell you what you've done or who is upset by it? If a ânon-crime hate incidentâ is recorded against you it can show up on criminal record checks and prevent you from getting a job or a visa. All for a non-crime you can't defend yourself against. Also don't bother deleting old social media posts, deletion doesn't stop the investigations... End of free speech in this Country. |
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