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Post by gasify on Jan 18, 2024 6:18:45 GMT
I was talking to a friend last night about safe standing.
He asked the question, would safe standing cost the same as a seat? After all, you are in effect getting a seat.
I'd never really thought about it that way. I'd always assumed safe standing costs would be on a par with terrace pricing.
I didn't realise the 6 fingered lot had safe standing. Do they charge less for that or about the same as the seats?
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Post by supergas on Jan 18, 2024 9:35:06 GMT
I was talking to a friend last night about safe standing. He asked the question, would safe standing cost the same as a seat? After all, you are in effect getting a seat. I'd never really thought about it that way. I'd always assumed safe standing costs would be on a par with terrace pricing. I didn't realise the 6 fingered lot had safe standing. Do they charge less for that or about the same as the seats? I've not checked recently but previously the trials for safe standing only allowed a 1:1 ratio for each area that was converted from seating. The longer term plan is to allow a higher ratio in these areas that now have rail 'seating', but not sure whether that's allowed yet. |
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 18, 2024 9:40:59 GMT
I was talking to a friend last night about safe standing. He asked the question, would safe standing cost the same as a seat? After all, you are in effect getting a seat. I'd never really thought about it that way. I'd always assumed safe standing costs would be on a par with terrace pricing. I didn't realise the 6 fingered lot had safe standing. Do they charge less for that or about the same as the seats? You are indeed buying a seat so it tends to be the same price. |
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Post by gasify on Jan 18, 2024 11:15:53 GMT
I was talking to a friend last night about safe standing. He asked the question, would safe standing cost the same as a seat? After all, you are in effect getting a seat. I'd never really thought about it that way. I'd always assumed safe standing costs would be on a par with terrace pricing. I didn't realise the 6 fingered lot had safe standing. Do they charge less for that or about the same as the seats? You are indeed buying a seat so it tends to be the same price. I'd never really thought about it that way until yesterday. Is it likely that the Thatchers would be safe standing with the ground redevelopments? |
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 18, 2024 11:17:25 GMT
You are indeed buying a seat so it tends to be the same price. I'd never really thought about it that way until yesterday. Is it likely that the Thatchers would be safe standing with the ground redevelopments? I don't think we need worry about that for a while. Personally I'd be leaving the Thatchers End until last. Developing it could actually lower the capacity. |
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Post by supergas on Jan 18, 2024 11:38:40 GMT
The only reason the legislation hasn't been properly looked at in recent years is because there's been a lot of other things going on. After the General Election I would assume the laws will be properly looked at and updated to reflect what's safe and acceptable in 2024
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Post by amgas on Jan 18, 2024 11:55:11 GMT
What is the current capacity - I thought a few thousand ?
Previous scheme for a stand at that end had a 5K capacity and the new south stand has over 3000. Easy to build bigger than that at Thatchers end.
Biggest disadvantage is losing the bar which is a better building for non match days than the concourse in a new stand. Although suspect a big concourse with bars in it could sell more beer/food on a match day. Would also give better access to those outlets during match and at half time, as well as much improved toilets.
To me most logical place for safe standing at the mem is on the side terraces which would allow a championship ready ground with minimal redevelopment, although would we do that before we got to that level and had to, I think not.
Honestly think big stand at Thatchers end is an easier development than sorting out the East, but people are anti it because they don't want to lose the traditional terrace environment that is currently there.
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 18, 2024 12:16:45 GMT
What is the current capacity - I thought a few thousand ? Previous scheme for a stand at that end had a 5K capacity and the new south stand has over 3000. Easy to build bigger than that at Thatchers end. Biggest disadvantage is losing the bar which is a better building for non match days than the concourse in a new stand. Although suspect a big concourse with bars in it could sell more beer/food on a match day. Would also give better access to those outlets during match and at half time, as well as much improved toilets. To me most logical place for safe standing at the mem is on the side terraces which would allow a championship ready ground with minimal redevelopment, although would we do that before we got to that level and had to, I think not. Honestly think big stand at Thatchers end is an easier development than sorting out the East, but people are anti it because they don't want to lose the traditional terrace environment that is currently there. Not sure of the current capacity but as a general rule of thumb capacity-wise an open terrace has 1.5 capacity for every 1 seat. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 18, 2024 12:27:00 GMT
The North terrace is around 3,000 from memory.
Someone posted on another thread that the plan was to retain this as safe standing and build a stand behind.
Not sure how accurate that is.
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 18, 2024 12:29:14 GMT
The North terrace is around 3,000 from memory. Someone posted on another thread that the plan was to retain this as safe standing and build a stand behind. Not sure how accurate that is. Yeah, there's lots of surmising at the moment with what any sort of plans will look like. Going on that though, standing capacity would be reduced to 2,000 which, doesn't really make sense to me... |
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Post by gasify on Jan 18, 2024 12:54:42 GMT
The North terrace is around 3,000 from memory. Someone posted on another thread that the plan was to retain this as safe standing and build a stand behind. Not sure how accurate that is. Yeah, there's lots of surmising at the moment with what any sort of plans will look like. Going on that though, standing capacity would be reduced to 2,000 which, doesn't really make sense to me... There is, maybe due to the club not having a vision either! My personal view is no additional development until we are really ready for it. Then bring down the East stand and rotate the pitch 90 degrees. Once that is done, it opens everything else up a bit. |
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 18, 2024 13:01:19 GMT
Yeah, there's lots of surmising at the moment with what any sort of plans will look like. Going on that though, standing capacity would be reduced to 2,000 which, doesn't really make sense to me... There is, maybe due to the club not having a vision either! My personal view is no additional development until we are really ready for it. Then bring down the East stand and rotate the pitch 90 degrees. Once that is done, it opens everything else up a bit. A pitch rotation won't happen, I can't see the club wanting to move out for a couple of years. Especially with the money put into the South Stand (that'll be there for 15+ years). I say it time, and time again money needs pouring into the East Stand. Offices, changing rooms, boxes, corporate facilities and income streams for every single day of the year. That's the most important part of any future developments. |
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Post by baggins on Jan 18, 2024 13:09:27 GMT
I'd never really thought about it that way until yesterday. Is it likely that the Thatchers would be safe standing with the ground redevelopments? I don't think we need worry about that for a while. Personally I'd be leaving the Thatchers End until last. Developing it could actually lower the capacity. Unless it's a double tier. |
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 18, 2024 13:22:08 GMT
I don't think we need worry about that for a while. Personally I'd be leaving the Thatchers End until last. Developing it could actually lower the capacity. Unless it's a double tier. I can't see there being safe standing in a top tier... So it would at the very least reduce standing capacity at the North end of the ground. |
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Post by baggins on Jan 18, 2024 13:38:10 GMT
Unless it's a double tier. I can't see there being safe standing in a top tier... So it would at the very least reduce standing capacity at the North end of the ground. If the South Stand can hold 3k, double tier all seated with safe standing lower section, that's got to be what, 5k? |
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 18, 2024 13:39:35 GMT
I can't see there being safe standing in a top tier... So it would at the very least reduce standing capacity at the North end of the ground. If the South Stand can hold 3k, double tier all seated with safe standing lower section, that's got to be what, 5k? Yes, but, standing capacity would be reduced... That's the point. I think there would be a kerfuffle if people currently standing could lose out on their places with a reduced standing capacity. |
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Post by baggins on Jan 18, 2024 14:07:14 GMT
If the South Stand can hold 3k, double tier all seated with safe standing lower section, that's got to be what, 5k? Yes, but, standing capacity would be reduced... That's the point. I think there would be a kerfuffle if people currently standing could lose out on their places with a reduced standing capacity. They'll get used to it. We're slowly heading towards an all seater Stadium. |
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Post by playtowin on Jan 18, 2024 14:14:08 GMT
Yeah, there's lots of surmising at the moment with what any sort of plans will look like. Going on that though, standing capacity would be reduced to 2,000 which, doesn't really make sense to me... There is, maybe due to the club not having a vision either! My personal view is no additional development until we are really ready for it. Then bring down the East stand and rotate the pitch 90 degrees. Once that is done, it opens everything else up a bit. Even when the student development and hotel and shop and 18500 stadium plan was inplace the ground wasnt being rotated. That plan involved us relocating to Cheltenham for 2 years or more. I suspect rotating isnt feasible/cost effective else it would have been planned before. Its probably the land itself ,maybe where the bedrock is or sonething of that ilk. |
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Post by chewbacca on Jan 18, 2024 14:28:41 GMT
Yes, but, standing capacity would be reduced... That's the point. I think there would be a kerfuffle if people currently standing could lose out on their places with a reduced standing capacity. They'll get used to it. We're slowly heading towards an all seater Stadium. Deepdale took nearly 20 years to develop... The real shame is consecutive boards didn't start this when we bought the place. |
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Post by baggins on Jan 18, 2024 14:35:56 GMT
They'll get used to it. We're slowly heading towards an all seater Stadium. Deepdale took nearly 20 years to develop... The real shame is consecutive boards didn't start this when we bought the place. To be fair, several owners have attempted to get us away from the Mem, the new Owner wants to develop where we are, and so far he's doing just that. |
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