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Post by gasify on Apr 1, 2024 18:22:52 GMT
It's because fans demand success but are simply not prepared to pay for it. Just look at the moaning when the South Stand seat price was announced as £29. You can't have it both ways. Either put up, or shut up. . It’s not just ‘moaning’! You can continue your shouting of ‘put up or shut up’ as long as you like but clubs know that by raising prices they make more money off some, but lose money by pricing out others. I appreciate that there are some fans that are priced out of the market. Maybe we should nationalise football and run it with government subsidy. However, if we do understand that some are priced out of the market then we also have to accept that we shouldn't demand the owners should be dipping into their never ending deep pockets and funding £m's in losses each season. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 1, 2024 20:16:28 GMT
You are assuming fans can afford it though. It’s not just ‘moaning’! You can continue your shouting of ‘put up or shut up’ as long as you like but clubs know that by raising prices they make more money off some, but lose money by pricing out others. I appreciate that there are some fans that are priced out of the market. Maybe we should nationalise football and run it with government subsidy. However, if we do understand that some are priced out of the market then we also have to accept that we shouldn't demand the owners should be dipping into their never ending deep pockets and funding £m's in losses each season. Perhaps the owners should be honest then from day one then and not talk about Championship football and even nonsense about Premiership football? Even when they sacked JB they were still talking about a top 6 push. |
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Post by chewbacca on Apr 1, 2024 20:44:47 GMT
I always find it funny when new owners come in. It’s always “X League in X years” and never “We’re going to seek to improve revenue streams, improve matchday experiences for fans and make the club as self sufficient as possible”. You can chuck as much money as you want at the playing side, it doesn’t guarantee anything (look at Chelsea).
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Post by gasify on Apr 1, 2024 20:46:50 GMT
I appreciate that there are some fans that are priced out of the market. Maybe we should nationalise football and run it with government subsidy. However, if we do understand that some are priced out of the market then we also have to accept that we shouldn't demand the owners should be dipping into their never ending deep pockets and funding £m's in losses each season. Perhaps the owners should be honest then from day one then and not talk about Championship football and even nonsense about Premiership football? Even when they sacked JB they were still talking about a top 6 push. Not sure how fair it is to question their honesty. I'd say pretty unfair. Surely it's a simple case that they could see how much was being spent and expected a better return in points from JB? |
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Post by yattongas on Apr 1, 2024 20:57:38 GMT
I always find it funny when new owners come in. It’s always “X League in X years” and never “We’re going to seek to improve revenue streams, improve matchday experiences for fans and make the club as self sufficient as possible”. You can chuck as much money as you want at the playing side, it doesn’t guarantee anything (look at Chelsea). The match day experience can be as good as you like but if the footy you watch is poor and you’re not getting results crowds will dip. It’s getting that balance right that will lead to success. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 1, 2024 21:29:09 GMT
I always find it funny when new owners come in. It’s always “X League in X years” and never “We’re going to seek to improve revenue streams, improve matchday experiences for fans and make the club as self sufficient as possible”. You can chuck as much money as you want at the playing side, it doesn’t guarantee anything (look at Chelsea). The match day experience can be as good as you like but if the footy you watch is poor and you’re not getting results crowds will dip. It’s getting that balance right that will lead to success. Problem is without a decent stadium Championship football isn't going to be viable, it's now looking highly likely that Plymouth will be relegated, if so, then that's two of last seasons promoted clubs returning, it's looking highly likely if you don't have at least an 18,000 capacity stadium you can't survive in the Championship, I'm not really sure what that means for Rovers as we're probably at least 5 years away from that. |
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Post by gasify on Apr 2, 2024 5:42:39 GMT
The match day experience can be as good as you like but if the footy you watch is poor and you’re not getting results crowds will dip. It’s getting that balance right that will lead to success. Problem is without a decent stadium Championship football isn't going to be viable, it's now looking highly likely that Plymouth will be relegated, if so, then that's two of last seasons promoted clubs returning, it's looking highly likely if you don't have at least an 18,000 capacity stadium you can't survive in the Championship, I'm not really sure what that means for Rovers as we're probably at least 5 years away from that. I'm not sure there is a link between stadium capacity and staying in the Championship. I think there is more of a link between losses a club is willing to make and relegation. One thing I noticed last week was that both Plymouth and Rotherham have a transfer (in) record of just over £1m. Putting that into context, the six fingers lot have a record of £9m. It shows the financial gap between the two divisions is massive. I'd say it was more to do with owner wealth to fund losses than stadium capacity. Bournmouth? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 2, 2024 8:26:46 GMT
If you have somebody prepared to bankroll a club then a stadium size will be irrelevant but we don't so it is relevant for us. Basically the extra £m's have to come from somewhere.
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 2, 2024 8:36:34 GMT
If you have somebody prepared to bankroll a club then a stadium size will be irrelevant but we don't so it is relevant for us. Basically the extra £m's have to come from somewhere. Stadium capacity is only a part of it. It's not realistic to suggest that relegation will occur if capacity isn't above a certain level as other factors are in play. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Apr 2, 2024 9:25:28 GMT
If you have somebody prepared to bankroll a club then a stadium size will be irrelevant but we don't so it is relevant for us. Basically the extra £m's have to come from somewhere. Stadium capacity is only a part of it. It's not realistic to suggest that relegation will occur if capacity isn't above a certain level as other factors are in play. If Plymouth do get relegated how many clubs this season will be left with average attendances below 15,000? Even the clubs leaving L1 this season are all likely to be similar, Pompey, Derby & Bolton unless one of the smaller clubs wins the play offs. The Championship has really become a closed group for the bigger clubs. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Apr 2, 2024 9:31:49 GMT
Stadium capacity is only a part of it. It's not realistic to suggest that relegation will occur if capacity isn't above a certain level as other factors are in play. If Plymouth do get relegated how many clubs this season will be left with average attendances below 15,000? Even the clubs leaving L1 this season are all likely to be similar, Pompey, Derby & Bolton unless one of the smaller clubs wins the play offs. The Championship has really become a closed group for the bigger clubs. Best get into the Prem sharpish then. 😁 |
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Post by percy on Apr 2, 2024 10:41:15 GMT
If Plymouth do get relegated how many clubs this season will be left with average attendances below 15,000? Even the clubs leaving L1 this season are all likely to be similar, Pompey, Derby & Bolton unless one of the smaller clubs wins the play offs. The Championship has really become a closed group for the bigger clubs. Best get into the Prem sharpish then. 😁 Indeed! Luton, Bournemouth, Brentford and...... Bristol Rovers! One day  |
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Post by gasify on Apr 2, 2024 19:08:34 GMT
Anyone with a hotline to TG, can you ask him why the accounts haven't been filed?
I know they've only had 9 months to prepare them...
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Post by possetgas on Apr 3, 2024 5:36:46 GMT
Rovers 2023 accounts now overdue, third year they have been filed late. Not actually the case, not filed late in any of the last three years. The date Companies House shows is when the accounts become visible. The date of filing is on the receipt barcode applied to the first page of the document. 30.06.20 Accs due by 31.06.21 (covid extension). Filed 29.06.21 30.06.21 Accs due by 31.03.22. Filed 31.03.22 30.06.22 Accs due by 31.03.23. Filed 31.03.23 I would imagine (hope!) the same scenario is happening this year. UTG |
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Post by horfield on Apr 3, 2024 6:54:48 GMT
Thank you for clearing that up, learn something new every day. Let's hope it's the same case this year.
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Post by gasify on Apr 3, 2024 7:26:33 GMT
Rovers 2023 accounts now overdue, third year they have been filed late. Not actually the case, not filed late in any of the last three years. The date Companies House shows is when the accounts become visible. The date of filing is on the receipt barcode applied to the first page of the document. 30.06.20 Accs due by 31.06.21 (covid extension). Filed 29.06.21 30.06.21 Accs due by 31.03.22. Filed 31.03.22 30.06.22 Accs due by 31.03.23. Filed 31.03.23 I would imagine (hope!) the same scenario is happening this year. UTG It's a good point, well made What I don't understand is why they haven't put the performance on the website yet. Something like this: www.bwfc.co.uk/news/accounts-202223-published |
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Post by mftc on Apr 3, 2024 7:38:39 GMT
Not actually the case, not filed late in any of the last three years. The date Companies House shows is when the accounts become visible. The date of filing is on the receipt barcode applied to the first page of the document. 30.06.20 Accs due by 31.06.21 (covid extension). Filed 29.06.21 30.06.21 Accs due by 31.03.22. Filed 31.03.22 30.06.22 Accs due by 31.03.23. Filed 31.03.23 I would imagine (hope!) the same scenario is happening this year. UTG It's a good point, well made What I don't understand is why they haven't put the performance on the website yet. Something like this: www.bwfc.co.uk/news/accounts-202223-publishedBecause most fans on here are depressed enough already! |
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Post by gasify on Apr 3, 2024 7:41:19 GMT
Because most fans on here are depressed enough already! I think the fans need to understand that they might be paying, what £700 a season, £2000 a season? The owners are paying maybe £5 Million to watch us gain mid table. In the words of Buckle, we should adjust our expectations. |
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Post by francegas on Apr 3, 2024 8:16:55 GMT
Perhaps some clubs could follow the Brighton method of running a football club who have just posted a Premier league record of post tax profits of £122.8M.
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Post by chewbacca on Apr 3, 2024 8:21:17 GMT
Perhaps some clubs could follow the Brighton method of running a football club who have just posted a Premier league record of post tax profits of £122.8M. It's just what Tom Gorringe leaving can do to a club. |
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