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Post by pirate on Jun 17, 2024 13:38:39 GMT
Multiple players rejected us apparently. Not surprising considering the reduced budget and uninspiring manager. Sorry. But. Unfortunately. This post is a disappointingly classic description of an underlying tendency to notice, focus on, and give greater credence to evidence that fits with existing beliefs. It is more commonly known as Confirmation Bias. Reality is hard to accept when wearing your rose tinted specs |
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Post by gasify on Jun 17, 2024 13:38:47 GMT
23rd June 2023
That was when we announced our first signing last season (James Wilson).
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Post by lastminutewinner on Jun 17, 2024 13:49:17 GMT
Who are these players? Do you think players look at the overall budget and then turn a club down? I’d understand it more if we weren’t offering enough but I can’t think that the players will ask about the overall budget. UTG! edit: sorry timsbury you beat me to it! Players usually want to know the ambition and direction the club is heading in and the other players the club are targeting to 'strengthen'. I'm saying I'm not surprised, considering the reduced budget. Very true mate. Probably why Rotherham are finding it easy to get decent signings after they bought JCH. That was a statement of intent. |
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Jun 17, 2024 13:50:02 GMT
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Post by olskooltoteender on Jun 17, 2024 13:50:02 GMT
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Jun 17, 2024 14:31:57 GMT
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Post by timsburygas on Jun 17, 2024 14:31:57 GMT
Please tell us how you know multiple players have rejected us and who they are. I am in contact with a number of agents and scouts in the game. According to them, we approached the likes of Alex Hartridge, Josh Edwards, Ronan Curtis and Joe Powell. There was apparently an interest in Jayden Fevrier, but not sure how far that got before he joined Stockport. Must have the same contacts as the Bristol Post, good to know agents and contacts are all informed what’s going on within the club. Do they take as much interest in all the other teams. |
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Post by warehamgas on Jun 17, 2024 14:44:05 GMT
Please tell us how you know multiple players have rejected us and who they are. I am in contact with a number of agents and scouts in the game. According to them, we approached the likes of Alex Hartridge, Josh Edwards, Ronan Curtis and Joe Powell. There was apparently an interest in Jayden Fevrier, but not sure how far that got before he joined Stockport. Thanks for providing some names. Of those though Hartridge perhaps no better than what we’ve got, Edwards may have been good esp given our FB positions but there will be other FBs around. Curtis is coming off a long injury though he did ok last season but I suspect League 1 may be different. And Pompey friends say he could start an argument in an empty room! Joe Powell would have been a great signing so he is a miss, if true. So perhaps one of those is a miss but the others no great loss. Your underlying point though about budgets may be true. The takeovers at Wycombe and Burton may well have an impact about others around them. We'll have to see if they are out-paying us. Given that in the past we’ve been generous payers perhaps negotiations are a tad more hard edged now. Can’t win can we? 😉 UTG! |
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Post by pirate on Jun 17, 2024 15:00:42 GMT
I am in contact with a number of agents and scouts in the game. According to them, we approached the likes of Alex Hartridge, Josh Edwards, Ronan Curtis and Joe Powell. There was apparently an interest in Jayden Fevrier, but not sure how far that got before he joined Stockport. Must have the same contacts as the Bristol Post, good to know agents and contacts are all informed what’s going on within the club. Do they take as much interest in all the other teams. Small world the football industry and people talk. |
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Jun 17, 2024 17:14:34 GMT
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Post by Congas on Jun 17, 2024 17:14:34 GMT
Literally nothing considering MT wanted to quickly build a squad,what's happening,doesn't anyone want to join us.does anyone know what's happening.UTG It’s June 17, that’s what’s happening |
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Post by gasheadowen on Jun 17, 2024 17:19:49 GMT
Must have the same contacts as the Bristol Post, good to know agents and contacts are all informed what’s going on within the club. Do they take as much interest in all the other teams. Small world the football industry and people talk. On the other hand weren't we known for years as a soft touch, the famous Jeff Hughes 'they pay good wages'; signing multiple players well into their 30s and/or with dubious injury records on 2 or 3 year deals? Can't say I'm losing any sleep over the players you claim we've missed out on; giving Curtis 3 years with his injury record is madness, Rotherham can clearly blow everyone out of the water if they can attract JCH who's shown before all he cares about is money, so Powell was probably never achievable if they were interested. The lad from Plymouth was probably only interested if we'd offer him a longer deal than he has at the moment; that hardly worked out for us with Wilson and Hunt... |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 17, 2024 17:25:07 GMT
Sorry. But. Unfortunately. This post is a disappointingly classic description of an underlying tendency to notice, focus on, and give greater credence to evidence that fits with existing beliefs. It is more commonly known as Confirmation Bias. Reality is hard to accept when wearing your rose tinted specs You and a few others appear desperate for Taylor to fail so you are just as likely to look at missed signings as a negative as others are to make excuses for us not signing anyone. I don't know, and you may know the answer, but how many clubs have had a similar number of rejections from potential targets? I'd imagine most clubs have knock backs and it's part and parcel of trying to get deals done rather than a symptom of us being so awful no one wants to join? If we are having more knockbacks than normal then I'd agree with you that it is something to be worried about. |
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Post by kampucheagas on Jun 17, 2024 17:31:09 GMT
I’m happy if MT and GF are working together to identify a young positive TEAM, for that is what he is building.
There are literally thousands of potential players out there (ask Pirate!) but the aim has to be long term planning with an eye for developing talent to keep us solvent.
We will need certain areas strengthened but it’s so so important that we look ahead so we can stabilise in league one as we (hopefully) build the infrastructure to accommodate 15,000 plus in a half decent stadium.
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Post by phillistine on Jun 17, 2024 17:43:26 GMT
Small world the football industry and people talk. On the other hand weren't we known for years as a soft touch, the famous Jeff Hughes 'they pay good wages'; signing multiple players well into their 30s and/or with dubious injury records on 2 or 3 year deals? That of course was the Lenny Lawrence era |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 17, 2024 17:48:01 GMT
I’m happy if MT and GF are working together to identify a young positive TEAM, for that is what he is building.
There are literally thousands of potential players out there (ask Pirate!) but the aim has to be long term planning with an eye for developing talent to keep us solvent. We will need certain areas strengthened but it’s so so important that we look ahead so we can stabilise in league one as we (hopefully) build the infrastructure to accommodate 15,000 plus in a half decent stadium. UTG Apart from Freckinton(?) we've not been connected with any players who fit that category this summer, they all seem to be in their late 20's who've had plenty of previous clubs usually including City. |
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Post by gasheadowen on Jun 17, 2024 17:52:51 GMT
On the other hand weren't we known for years as a soft touch, the famous Jeff Hughes 'they pay good wages'; signing multiple players well into their 30s and/or with dubious injury records on 2 or 3 year deals? That of course was the Lenny Lawrence era Pretty sure Virgo was about to sign for Wycombe in the league above, but u-turned at the last minute to sign for us. Kenneth 3 year contract despite looking like Phil Mitchell, Kyle Bennett 3.5 year contract, Wilson and Hunt over 30 but 2 year contracts... |
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Post by badengas on Jun 17, 2024 18:01:01 GMT
23rd June 2023 That was when we announced our first signing last season (James Wilson). You and your facts, where is the fun in that ? |
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Jun 17, 2024 18:03:01 GMT
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Post by kampucheagas on Jun 17, 2024 18:03:01 GMT
I’m happy if MT and GF are working together to identify a young positive TEAM, for that is what he is building.
There are literally thousands of potential players out there (ask Pirate!) but the aim has to be long term planning with an eye for developing talent to keep us solvent. We will need certain areas strengthened but it’s so so important that we look ahead so we can stabilise in league one as we (hopefully) build the infrastructure to accommodate 15,000 plus in a half decent stadium. UTG Apart from Freckinton(?) we've not been connected with any players who fit that category this summer, they all seem to be in their late 20's who've had plenty of previous clubs usually including City. That’s why I said ‘If’ I’ll hold judgement until he’s made his squad, of course you need experience but I’m hoping a big part of GF brief is to look for up and coming young talent UTG |
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Post by Topper Gas on Jun 17, 2024 18:06:17 GMT
That of course was the Lenny Lawrence era Pretty sure Virgo was about to sign for Wycombe in the league above, but u-turned at the last minute to sign for us. Kenneth 3 year contract despite looking like Phil Mitchell, Kyle Bennett 3.5 year contract, Wilson and Hunt over 30 but 2 year contracts... We've not signed anybody this summer so can't really say we've now moved on from offering ageing players lengthy contracts, I doubt 33 year old Joe Edwards was considering leaving Plymouth for anything less than a 2 years contract? |
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Post by lympstonegas on Jun 17, 2024 18:29:42 GMT
Reality is hard to accept when wearing your rose tinted specs You and a few others appear desperate for Taylor to fail so you are just as likely to look at missed signings as a negative as others are to make excuses for us not signing anyone. I don't know, and you may know the answer, but how many clubs have had a similar number of rejections from potential targets? I'd imagine most clubs have knock backs and it's part and parcel of trying to get deals done rather than a symptom of us being so awful no one wants to join? If we are having more knockbacks than normal then I'd agree with you that it is something to be worried about. Agree Hugo Scouts may well talk but that doesn’t make them right. Pirate may have never worn rose tinted glasses but god it’s boring hearing him grab every opportunity to slag the club off. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 17, 2024 18:34:11 GMT
You and a few others appear desperate for Taylor to fail so you are just as likely to look at missed signings as a negative as others are to make excuses for us not signing anyone. I don't know, and you may know the answer, but how many clubs have had a similar number of rejections from potential targets? I'd imagine most clubs have knock backs and it's part and parcel of trying to get deals done rather than a symptom of us being so awful no one wants to join? If we are having more knockbacks than normal then I'd agree with you that it is something to be worried about. Agree Hugo Scouts may well talk but that doesn’t make them right. Pirate may have never worn rose tinted glasses but god it’s boring hearing him grab every opportunity to slag the club off. His opinion is as valid as any other. I was just pointing out that a negative view of the manager is just as bias as wearing rose tinted spectacles. 😉 IF (because I don't know) we are getting more knock backs than normal then it would be worrying. I doubt that's the reality though, but it does suit the anti-Taylor narrative. |
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Jun 17, 2024 18:48:49 GMT
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Post by gasheadowen on Jun 17, 2024 18:48:49 GMT
Pretty sure Virgo was about to sign for Wycombe in the league above, but u-turned at the last minute to sign for us. Kenneth 3 year contract despite looking like Phil Mitchell, Kyle Bennett 3.5 year contract, Wilson and Hunt over 30 but 2 year contracts... We've not signed anybody this summer so can't really say we've now moved on from offering ageing players lengthy contracts, I doubt 33 year old Joe Edwards was considering leaving Plymouth for anything less than a 2 years contract? Because I'm sure if we'd offered Curtis a 3 year deal he'd have been on our home page holding up a blue and white scarf by now. Why else would he sign for Vale in the league below who are geographically located further away from his last two clubs? |
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