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Post by gasify on Oct 23, 2024 6:26:55 GMT
*community note* Bristol Rovers won the game and they have got 9 points out of a possible 12 points. That’s promotion form. *Business Note* The club is losing money and there was not 6,300 in attendance tonight, will this game attract more fans to come back?[1] *Reality Note* 4 of our 5 wins have came against Burton, Cambridge, Shrews and Northampton below us. A good win against mid table Charlton[2]. I am just being a decent bloke and warning the “community” that the fixtures have been good to us and tough times are coming. I hope the community understands my care for them and us, I’d be surprised if normal service doesn’t return Saturday based on tonight’s showing. 1. The fans don't give a flying about the business side of things. They want the owners to spend, spend, spend and aren't prepared to pay for it. Maybe the owners have stopped interfering in the team selection and then they can concentrate on the stadium build. One thought I have had (and I know it sounds ridiculous) is that if we get crowds of 5k then when the stadium development happens next season then maybe we won't have to move. Maybe it's a strategy. Maybe they done the numbers and 5k at home is better than 4k in Newport. 2 You can only beat the teams in front of us. In previous seasons, we have really struggled against the teams at the bottom. The sadest part of our last relegation season was that it was in our own hands and we had to play all the teams at the bottom. We lost pretty much every battle. We are up to 15th, so there are now 9 teams below us. Beat the 9 teams below us and we stay up. You have inside knowledge, so you must know that we are a team that is in transition, a team that is rebuilding. You must know that the business model has changed from purely match day revenues to buying and selling players. You must know that if we get that right, we will pick up more wins than losses and we will be able to be prouder watching international football while remembering that player when he was at Rovers and was our player. You only have to look at the discussions around Anderson and Quansah and how we are excited for players that we have a connection to. If you and your friends feel that staying away is the best course of action then so be it. I for one will continue to go to home games and last night has inspired me to go to Reading on Saturday. You never know, this could be the beginning of something wonderful.
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 23, 2024 6:30:17 GMT
*community note* Bristol Rovers won the game and they have got 9 points out of a possible 12 points. That’s promotion form. *Business Note* The club is losing money and there was not 6,300 in attendance tonight, will this game attract more fans to come back? *Reality Note* 4 of our 5 wins have came against Burton, Cambridge, Shrews and Northampton below us. A good win against mid table Charlton. I am just being a decent bloke and warning the “community” that the fixtures have been good to us and tough times are coming. I hope the community understands my care for them and us, I’d be surprised if normal service doesn’t return Saturday based on tonight’s showing. I can see both sides to the argument. The football has been poor and we keep changing things up. We can't seem to defend corners, which is a worry and Taylor used to be a defender, so you would think that's one thing he should have sorted out. But when the keeper doesn't come for crosses, it makes it hard. There has been a lot of changing the side, Hutchinson got a goal on Saturday and had one of his best cameo's, yet he didn't play tonight. On the other side, we have been without our main goal scorer for most of the season, it's a tough league this year and we are still only 3 points off the play offs. Yes, we have beaten some poor teams. But we are Rovers, we lose to poor teams all the time🤣. We have a new squad and the manager still doesn't know his strongest squad. Players like Forde, are now only getting up to speed. After 3 wins in 4, he deserves a few more games at least. But if he was sacked today, I wouldn't be bothered.
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Post by thegasareback on Oct 23, 2024 6:36:49 GMT
There’s been a notable shift in the tone of Dan Hargreaves’ reports. Apparently Lindsay bundled home the goal last night!
The board need to clear this up - back your man say he’s going nowhere and tell us how it is, or get rid, so the fan base can be clear. As mentioned previously I think a 4-0 loss would’ve pleased a lot of “gasheads”.
The whole narrative of “lose this game and he’s gone” isn’t fair on anyone. Yes he may not be a flamboyant and charismatic manager, but he’s also a human being.
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Post by Gassy on Oct 23, 2024 6:37:02 GMT
*Business Note* The club is losing money and there was not 6,300 in attendance tonight, will this game attract more fans to come back? *Reality Note* 4 of our 5 wins have came against Burton, Cambridge, Shrews and Northampton below us. A good win against mid table Charlton. I am just being a decent bloke and warning the “community” that the fixtures have been good to us and tough times are coming. I hope the community understands my care for them and us, I’d be surprised if normal service doesn’t return Saturday based on tonight’s showing. I can see both sides to the argument. The football has been poor and we keep changing things up. We can't seem to defend corners, which is a worry and Taylor used to be a defender, so you would think that's one thing he should have sorted out. But when the keeper doesn't come for crosses, it makes it hard. There has been a lot of changing the side, Hutchinson got a goal on Saturday and had one of his best cameo's, yet he didn't play tonight. On the other side, we have been without our main goal scorer for most of the season, it's a tough league this year and we are still only 3 points off the play offs. Yes, we have beaten some poor teams. But we are Rovers, we lose to poor teams all the time🤣. We have a new squad and the manager still doesn't know his strongest squad. Players like Forde, are now only getting up to speed. After 3 wins in 4, he deserves a few more games at least. But if he was sacked today, I wouldn't be bothered. Agree with a lot of this. Especially the comment at the end. I’d keep Taylor, he’s done enough to get this team performing - there were glimpses in attack last night of what we could be capable of. Ironically though I felt the same for Barton at the time though, thought he deserved some of the easier fixtures that were coming up, but I wasn’t bothered that he was let go
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Post by wallywalters on Oct 23, 2024 6:38:53 GMT
*Business Note* The club is losing money and there was not 6,300 in attendance tonight, will this game attract more fans to come back? *Reality Note* 4 of our 5 wins have came against Burton, Cambridge, Shrews and Northampton below us. A good win against mid table Charlton. I am just being a decent bloke and warning the “community” that the fixtures have been good to us and tough times are coming. I hope the community understands my care for them and us, I’d be surprised if normal service doesn’t return Saturday based on tonight’s showing. I can see both sides to the argument. The football has been poor and we keep changing things up. We can't seem to defend corners, which is a worry and Taylor used to be a defender, so you would think that's one thing he should have sorted out. But when the keeper doesn't come for crosses, it makes it hard. There has been a lot of changing the side, Hutchinson got a goal on Saturday and had one of his best cameo's, yet he didn't play tonight. On the other side, we have been without our main goal scorer for most of the season, it's a tough league this year and we are still only 3 points off the play offs. Yes, we have beaten some poor teams. But we are Rovers, we lose to poor teams all the time🤣. We have a new squad and the manager still doesn't know his strongest squad. Players like Forde, are now only getting up to speed. After 3 wins in 4, he deserves a few more games at least. But if he was sacked today, I wouldn't be bothered. Good post daniel I feel the same. If he goes I won't lose any sleep. If he stays then il keep going and watching this turgid football as long as we keep picking up points. It's far from enjoyable to watch though. I think the problem Taylor as is he's not Barton. Whoever came in after him was always going to struggle. Like him or loathe him Barton was loved for his passion and he galvanised the fan base at times with his passion and the siege mentality he created where every team hated us because of him. The atmosphere on the whole under him was fantastic home and away and he knew how to work the crowd. Taylor doesn't. He is alienating himself now and the writings on the wall. More comments from him about the crowd again last night were not needed.
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Post by wallywalters on Oct 23, 2024 6:42:52 GMT
There’s been a notable shift in the tone of Dan Hargreaves’ reports. Apparently Lindsay bundled home the goal last night! The board need to clear this up - back your man say he’s going nowhere and tell us how it is, or get rid, so the fan base can be clear. As mentioned previously I think a 4-0 loss would’ve pleased a lot of “gasheads”. The whole narrative of “lose this game and he’s gone” isn’t fair on anyone. Yes he may not be a flamboyant and charismatic manager, but he’s also a human being. I was thinking exactly the same. I don't like Dan Hargraves reporting at all. He has suttle digs at the club all the time in his reports and allows his bias of certain players to come through in his write ups. Bundle the ball home is ridiculous it was a brilliant finish. Gave Taylor an 8 with Wilson and Moore a 7 last night when first half Taylor was appalling. He's also started having digs at crowd numbers. He did it again last night and that isn't the first time he's done it. Wish we had Sam frost back reporting.
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Post by gasify on Oct 23, 2024 6:45:25 GMT
There’s been a notable shift in the tone of Dan Hargreaves’ reports. Apparently Lindsay bundled home the goal last night! The board need to clear this up - back your man say he’s going nowhere and tell us how it is, or get rid, so the fan base can be clear. As mentioned previously I think a 4-0 loss would’ve pleased a lot of “gasheads”. The whole narrative of “lose this game and he’s gone” isn’t fair on anyone. Yes he may not be a flamboyant and charismatic manager, but he’s also a human being. I was thinking exactly the same. I don't like Dan Hargraves reporting at all. He has suttle digs at the club all the time in his reports and allows his bias of certain players to come through in his write ups. Bundle the ball home is ridiculous it was a brilliant finish. Gave Taylor an 8 with Wilson and Moore a 7 last night when first half Taylor was appalling. He's also started having digs at crowd numbers. He did it again last night and that isn't the first time he's done it. Wish we had Sam frost back reporting. And so he should. I always thought we were "Faithful and true". Clearly that means nothing to some.
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Post by badengas on Oct 23, 2024 6:53:16 GMT
I'm not a season ticket holder, and watched on the Sky app. instead of my normal East Terrace place for a change. I wonder how many others at clubs up and down the country are doing the same ?
For what it's worth I enjoyed the game. If we stick with it, and let Promise and Shaq develop, we're looking up not down in my opinion.
Tactically, I wish we had defensive fullbacks.
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Post by clovis on Oct 23, 2024 7:06:22 GMT
It wasn't a classic, but we just about deserved the win. We did hit the post/bar three times after all. MoM has to be Josh Griffiths for making so much fuss about their "goal". From the camera behind the goal it looked like Marquis was deliberately trying to get in Griffiths' line of sight until he saw a shot about to come in when he went the other way, so if that helped the linesman put his flag up then that serves Marquis right.
Conteh was pretty solid, as were Moore and Wilson. Promise O ran his socks off, and played a part in the goal by holding the ball up well, and Shaq looked lively too. Another good goal from Lindsay. Good to see Luke T on the pitch.
We do seem to sit too deep for the last 15 minutes of games, whether we are one up or three up (Charlton), but we have done this on countless occasions in my 55 years of watching so nothing new there.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 23, 2024 8:17:43 GMT
There’s been a notable shift in the tone of Dan Hargreaves’ reports. Apparently Lindsay bundled home the goal last night! The board need to clear this up - back your man say he’s going nowhere and tell us how it is, or get rid, so the fan base can be clear. As mentioned previously I think a 4-0 loss would’ve pleased a lot of “gasheads”. The whole narrative of “lose this game and he’s gone” isn’t fair on anyone. Yes he may not be a flamboyant and charismatic manager, but he’s also a human being. Problem is a 'backing of the board' announcement would indicate acknowledgement of a problem in the first place and is usually a surefire way of him being sacked in the near future.
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Post by gasify on Oct 23, 2024 8:24:31 GMT
There’s been a notable shift in the tone of Dan Hargreaves’ reports. Apparently Lindsay bundled home the goal last night! The board need to clear this up - back your man say he’s going nowhere and tell us how it is, or get rid, so the fan base can be clear. As mentioned previously I think a 4-0 loss would’ve pleased a lot of “gasheads”. The whole narrative of “lose this game and he’s gone” isn’t fair on anyone. Yes he may not be a flamboyant and charismatic manager, but he’s also a human being. Yeah, sad really. Never wanted Rovers to lose for any reason. Even under JB, I never wanted us to lose.
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Post by roadman on Oct 23, 2024 8:27:41 GMT
782 fans are not happy, Tuesday 24th October 2023 we had this many more than last night and this was the game Barton was sacked.
6,361 v Shrewsbury 2024, 23rd October 7,143 v Stevenage 2023, 24th October Same sort of appeal in clubs playing against, same sort of away following (Stevenage brought more), no needle game.
The stattos love a stat, some of us are in business, at £20 a head last night, we lost approximately £15,000 on gate receipts from a year ago and not taking into effect food and drink. Back to the stattos, 3 wins in 4, 9 in 12 points, if we lose Saturday a return of 9 in 15 is good 🥱. So we have all these stats, the fans are just not turning up, why is this? It’s because many see the curve and not the stats and many see the brand of football dished up!
We’ve Cambridge and Shrews at home and Burton away in all these last 3/4 statto wet dreams! But the business is losing more and more money hand over fist and the customers are refusing to go.
If we carry on like the is over a season, £15,000 a home game, we will lose another £250,000 plus with no sales promotion (on the pitch) for season ticket sales next season. Either MT starts to deliver entertaining football at home soon or we are going to see 5,000 attendances.
If I was running this club, the owner signing off cheques, I would be alarmed at the so called stats v income coming into the club.
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Post by madridgas on Oct 23, 2024 8:28:05 GMT
I thought it was a relatively open game and we had a little bit more quality than Shrewsbury. Not a lot but a little! Thought Shaq looked like with a run he could be an asset, Conteh looked solid, as did Wilson at the back. Promise worked hard without reward but doesn’t look like he is going to score. Having seen some comments on Connor Taylor I thought he looked solid on the whole, he will get back to his best with more games. Having said all this, Shrewsbury still deserved a point. On Taylor, I understand the football isn’t great but I have to say I feel for him. Some of the abuse is completely out of order. I am sure he is trying to do his best and the vitriol isn’t helpful. Fans shout at him and slag him off then slag him off because he doesn’t go over and clap the fans. The polarisation of opinions is divisive and is affecting the atmosphere. Tonight was the worst atmosphere I can remember in over 40 years of watching the Gas. I know it’s a long standing debate but to move forward we need To give the manager more time, keep together, back the team and try to help the team get up some forward momentum . I genuinely believe that is better than getting rid of ‘the clown’/‘PE Teacher’ and bringing in Holloway, as has been mentioned by some. There’s a reason he isn’t a manager elsewhere. Even worse, calls to bring back Barton……. Just my opinion of course! IMHO Connor Taylor really did have a game of two very different halves. In the first he gave the ball away twice and we could easily have conceded two goals from them, but more concerning for me, is his speed of thought / passing. He seems slower than the rest of the defence to decide what to do with the ball, thus when he passes (normally sideways) he gives his fellow defender less time on the ball until they are closed down. In the 2nd half he was much better. No slips, won most headers and was either able to shepherd balls out or get a foul. Getting free kicks from being fouled seems to be quite a big part of his game, but that's a challenge when you get a ref like last night who gave little
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 23, 2024 8:41:10 GMT
782 fans are not happy, Tuesday 24th October 2023 we had this many more than last night and this was the game Barton was sacked. 6,361 v Shrewsbury 2024, 23rd October 7,143 v Stevenage 2023, 24th October Same sort of appeal in clubs playing against, same sort of away following (Stevenage brought more), no needle game. The stattos love a stat, some of us are in business, at £20 a head last night, we lost approximately £15,000 on gate receipts from a year ago and not taking into effect food and drink. Back to the stattos, 3 wins in 4, 9 in 12 points, if we lose Saturday a return of 9 in 15 is good 🥱. So we have all these stats, the fans are just not turning up, why is this? It’s because many see the curve and not the stats and many see the brand of football dished up! We’ve Cambridge and Shrews at home and Burton away in all these last 3/4 statto wet dreams! But the business is losing more and more money hand over fist and the customers are refusing to go. If we carry on like the is over a season, £15,000 a home game, we will lose another £250,000 plus with no sales promotion (on the pitch) for season ticket sales next season. Either MT starts to deliver entertaining football at home soon or we are going to see 5,000 attendances. If I was running this club, the owner signing off cheques, I would be alarmed at the so called stats v income coming into the club. The game wasn't free to sky subscribers last year, so you can't compare the two. It was always going to have an impact on how many people attended the games. If you don't live near the ground, or can't get off work early etc, people can just watch it in the comfort of their home. . How much more do clubs get from sky? Is it worth it?
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Post by holmesgas1 on Oct 23, 2024 8:42:40 GMT
782 fans are not happy, Tuesday 24th October 2023 we had this many more than last night and this was the game Barton was sacked. 6,361 v Shrewsbury 2024, 23rd October 7,143 v Stevenage 2023, 24th October Same sort of appeal in clubs playing against, same sort of away following (Stevenage brought more), no needle game. The stattos love a stat, some of us are in business, at £20 a head last night, we lost approximately £15,000 on gate receipts from a year ago and not taking into effect food and drink. Back to the stattos, 3 wins in 4, 9 in 12 points, if we lose Saturday a return of 9 in 15 is good 🥱. So we have all these stats, the fans are just not turning up, why is this? It’s because many see the curve and not the stats and many see the brand of football dished up! We’ve Cambridge and Shrews at home and Burton away in all these last 3/4 statto wet dreams! But the business is losing more and more money hand over fist and the customers are refusing to go. If we carry on like the is over a season, £15,000 a home game, we will lose another £250,000 plus with no sales promotion (on the pitch) for season ticket sales next season. Either MT starts to deliver entertaining football at home soon or we are going to see 5,000 attendances. If I was running this club, the owner signing off cheques, I would be alarmed at the so called stats v income coming into the club. I agree with the stats and it’s a concern. However it’s not time for change, yet. It’s still a team in development and Taylor is still working out how to get the best out of this team, I.e move to a back 4. At times, I see a team, that plays like his Exeter team, which we would all happily support. Last nights goal was a prime example. Also results, if they continue to improve will bring the crowds back. Just look at Coughlin. Terrible football but decent crowds as it was successful. So definitely to early to be all doom and gloom.
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Post by madridgas on Oct 23, 2024 8:52:26 GMT
782 fans are not happy, Tuesday 24th October 2023 we had this many more than last night and this was the game Barton was sacked. 6,361 v Shrewsbury 2024, 23rd October 7,143 v Stevenage 2023, 24th October Same sort of appeal in clubs playing against, same sort of away following (Stevenage brought more), no needle game. The stattos love a stat, some of us are in business, at £20 a head last night, we lost approximately £15,000 on gate receipts from a year ago and not taking into effect food and drink. Back to the stattos, 3 wins in 4, 9 in 12 points, if we lose Saturday a return of 9 in 15 is good 🥱. So we have all these stats, the fans are just not turning up, why is this? It’s because many see the curve and not the stats and many see the brand of football dished up! We’ve Cambridge and Shrews at home and Burton away in all these last 3/4 statto wet dreams! But the business is losing more and more money hand over fist and the customers are refusing to go. If we carry on like the is over a season, £15,000 a home game, we will lose another £250,000 plus with no sales promotion (on the pitch) for season ticket sales next season. Either MT starts to deliver entertaining football at home soon or we are going to see 5,000 attendances. If I was running this club, the owner signing off cheques, I would be alarmed at the so called stats v income coming into the club. Thanks Roadman - Good post. However, how much more are Rovers getting from the new Sky EFL deal this year? The link below suggests more than £250k this year. But i would agree with you that if Season tickets drop again and we return to the faithful 5,000 things won't be good, especially as that would likely be an indication of the football not being good, nor the results. I guess the owners see profits on players as the way to reduce the £3m p.a. losses, but they must surely see a linkage between players being worth more and a team getting results. www.efl.com/how-to-watch/sky-sports-q-and-a/
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Post by roadman on Oct 23, 2024 9:17:24 GMT
Valid point guys but some of you need to put the business head on, I really stress this.
Promise 600k Forde 400k Conteh 300k Hutchinson 250k Taylor 300k (Estimates, add in agent fees, all of it, we’ve spent well last 12 months)
We’ve got £1.5 million quids worth plus in that squad last night.
The new Sky Deal should be factored in top of a gate a year ago, 7,200 etc and not used as an excuse. If we are going by this excuse, we don’t ever need new stands, let’s make life easier just shut a stand as well 😂👏🏼
Exeter had 500 more than us last night, Stockport v Northampton, no needle, 8,500 plus.
A club we should be looking at and aspiring to be is Oxford United who sold out 11,500 last night in the Championship. We need to stop making excuses, if we were playing attractive winning football then we’d have had 7,000 plus last night, we are winning at home and the customers don’t like it!
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Post by roadman on Oct 23, 2024 9:27:54 GMT
Everyone had dodgy fire sticks a year ago and VPN’s to watch us on Ifollow as well, I did for games myself and we got paid for this as well.
Cogs are had similar attendances and it’s why we let him go as well. Same time under his reign, we had 7,200 v Bolton and we lost that night 0-2 but they brought a good following and it was a bigger game for us. Difference with Cogs was he had an unashamedly route one brand which worked with JCH and the likes of Ogogo pressing and firing up the crowd.
Cogs always said as well, I love these boys, they are through walls for me, they are a pleasure to work with in training and I know they care, it took us to the play offs……….MT is the opposite, he has no brand identity of how he wants to play and he’s at odds with the squad and owners.
Some are just burying their heads in the sand, it’s inevitable he’s sacked unless he takes us on a Cogs run and unites the squad.
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Post by gashead1981 on Oct 23, 2024 9:28:40 GMT
All good objective points btw, however I think there is a bigger picture also to consider.
I remember very well the Graham Coughlan era and lower attendances with a more direct brand of football together with a quieter and less engaging demeanour as the reason we were happy (as fans) to let Cogs walk. I remember the grumbles about route 1 football and how unnattractive it was, and the space on the terraces where we were averaging 6500 a game 2 years after DC got us promotion back to L1. People just didn't appreciate what Cogs was doing, how well he was doing as well as what he was putting up with off the field, and I do feel there is a bit of that now.
The overlay on the 2 periods of time are remarkably similar.
A promotion from L2, the expectation we'll walk L1 within 2 seasons followed by a crash (or humbling) and a reappointment of manager where the personalities of the managers are so different people thought that we were in a tougher spot than we actually were.
So when Cogs hung himself on radio we were happy to let him walk went and got Garner, then Tisdale, then Barton and we ended up relegated within 12 months.
Could it be a case of be careful what we wish for if we sack MT?
I know that we seem to lack identity which we clearly had with Cogs and by this time in October we had 22 points and sat 8th.
However the differences with Cogs and MT are the wholesale changes that MT has had to make. This is a brand new side which will need to gel and I know the football isn't great but we are able to beat enough people to stay in this tough division this year currently. Is the squad better than what Cogs had? Id say so, but also those players had been together a lot longer than this group have.
Am I happy with that, not really, but my worry is that I have no confidence that Hussain and Abdul are able to get someone else in that would do any better than what we are now and there being no guarantee of better football and any current changes to management will end up with us getting relegated.
Its a pattern we have seen before and fallen prey to and I for one do not want to end up back in L2.
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Post by ricardo on Oct 23, 2024 9:36:58 GMT
Gave Taylor an 8 with Wilson and Moore a 7 last night when first half Taylor was appalling. Hadn’t seen that, Taylor made 3 errors that could have cost us goals in the first half alone, astonishing he got an 8!
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