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Post by roadman on Oct 23, 2024 11:57:57 GMT
One positive from last night was the obvious relationship between Sotiriou and Forde (from playing together at orient last year). Three examples on the extended highlights, confirmed that Ruel constantly looks for and finds Shaq with fast intelligent passes that create opportunities. Hope they both start on Saturday. I think that front 4 has to get a run of games now. We have issues at the back and I think the best way to overcome those is focus on what we potentially have in that front 4. Depending on fitness, injuries cycle in LT or Hutchinson in the 3 behind Promise Agree with you both, really good points. Let’s hope Reading away is a start of Cogs away run where he beat Wimbledon, Rochdale and Shrews away in Sept and October. I really want MT to prove me wrong, I just hope we are not back here Saturday after another dismal away defeat, I’d take a draw now. |
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Post by GasAttacK on Oct 23, 2024 12:08:16 GMT
For now we have to keep going IMO. It's a close call, but the reality is we're generally beating those we should beat, and losing to those who will likely finish above us - so all as to be expected. We're 3 points off the playoffs and we had wholesale changes in the summer, so will likely start slowly and therefore will hopefully improve as time goes by. Anyone thinking we'd finish top 10 this season was having a laugh. It's not impossible but would have been a case us overachieving rather than delivering what was expected. Yes we "splashed the cash" on one or two, but we also lost Collins and Evans who pretty much picked up the cheque in that sense.
If we start losing to the teams we're beating (i.e. the games we should expect to win) and continue to lose those we probably shouldn't, then we'll have a big problem and probably little choice. But, like it or not, right now MT is delivering the results we should be expecting. Is the "brand" of football top tier? No. But is any League One side in the bottom half of the table anything other than that? I doubt it. Let's be completely blunt about this; the biggest problem is that there are a very noisy group of Bartonistas who will do all they can to see Taylor sacked ASAP. That's not to suggest for a minute that everyone who wants Taylor gone is a Bartonista, but pretty much every Bartonista wants him gone. Historically, when we've sold our best players, we've struggled the following season. Collins and Evans were responsible for a large chunk of our goals and assists over the past couple of seasons. They wanted to go, so we had little choice but to sell. We got reasonable money, and reinvested that back into the playing squad. However, replacing players like Collins and Evans for a club like Rovers is far from easy. Not only have we lost Collins and Evans, but we've also been without Martin, last seasons top scorer. I've been critical of Taylor, and performances haven't been very inspiring, but I'd have taken 15th place, and 16 points from 12 games at the start of the season, so it would be a big risk to sack the manger at the moment. Things aren't great, but they could be worse. As RD says, if we start losing to sides below us, and therefore drop into the bottom 4, we might have to roll the dice, now is not the time. However, things can change quickly in football. If we lose our next 3 games in L1 - 2 of which are at home - Taylor will be under serious pressure again. |
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Post by xenongas on Oct 23, 2024 12:29:34 GMT
For now we have to keep going IMO. It's a close call, but the reality is we're generally beating those we should beat, and losing to those who will likely finish above us - so all as to be expected. We're 3 points off the playoffs and we had wholesale changes in the summer, so will likely start slowly and therefore will hopefully improve as time goes by. Anyone thinking we'd finish top 10 this season was having a laugh. It's not impossible but would have been a case us overachieving rather than delivering what was expected. Yes we "splashed the cash" on one or two, but we also lost Collins and Evans who pretty much picked up the cheque in that sense. If we start losing to the teams we're beating (i.e. the games we should expect to win) and continue to lose those we probably shouldn't, then we'll have a big problem and probably little choice. But, like it or not, right now MT is delivering the results we should be expecting. Is the "brand" of football top tier? No. But is any League One side in the bottom half of the table anything other than that? I doubt it. Let's be completely blunt about this; the biggest problem is that there are a very noisy group of Bartonistas who will do all they can to see Taylor sacked ASAP. That's not to suggest for a minute that everyone who wants Taylor gone is a Bartonista, but pretty much every Bartonista wants him gone. Excellent post. On the last point, many of the comments on the terrace last night were laughable. Within a couple of minutes there was praise for Barton's coaching when C Taylor did something good and insults to MT's coaching when C Taylor did something poor. There are some incredibly blinkered people that will fit whatever is in front of them to their narrative. Unfortunately, they're always the loud mouths and the relentless negativity before a ball has been kicked at every game is wearing. When it doesn't actually matter what happens on the pitch it's difficult to turn that kind of toxicity around. |
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Post by eric on Oct 23, 2024 12:35:56 GMT
Just got back. FWIW: We got the win we needed although if I’m honest I think Shrewsbury deserved a point. Had we taken a few chances in the first five minutes it may have been different but we didn’t and we should have been punished twice in the first half. Shrewsbury had two relatively easy chances. Promise will need tomorrow off after being assaulted so many times in the first half yet the ref misses most of them and he kept going so well done him. Wilson and Moore were good but Conteh MOM by a country mile. He kept on getting the ball and passing it to one of ours. And not too many did that. Whats happened to Connor T? He looked like an accident waiting to happen. Twice he gave the ball away on the edge of the area and a better side would have scored both times. Lucky it was Shrewsbury. Our goal came from a passage of play where they passed and moved and was an excellent goal. Most of the game the forwards were fed long balls and high punts upfield so not the best of games to watch. When we play through the midfield we look good but it didn’t happen often enough imo. But the team couldn’t be accused of not putting a shift in. Well done all. Not the best of matches to watch but enjoyable with the win. UTG! I can see the frustration with this, the other option would be trying to play it round at the back and that just puts us into trouble. You only have to look at the cross field pass from Taylor to Soussa that was easily intercepted by their forward with no one in front of him. So I'm not 100% what the answer is. The goal we scored was pass, move, pass, move, pass, goal. Was fantastic to watch and to me shows that Taylor does want to play good football in the final third of the pitch. The group need a few more wins and the confidence will be back and that creates more wins purely from the confidence. Is that what you think are the only two options? Either to hoof it long or pass it sideways across the back four? There is plenty of room inbetween those two options that other teams manage to do. |
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Post by baggins on Oct 23, 2024 12:42:28 GMT
3 points are 3 points. Great win. The end.
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Post by eric on Oct 23, 2024 12:50:39 GMT
Has to be clearly blocking the keeper's or defenders line if sight: A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by: interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or interfering with an opponent by: preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or challenging an opponent for the ball or clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball *The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used or gaining an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent when it has: rebounded or been deflected off the goalpost, crossbar or an opponent been deliberately saved by any opponent True, but we don't have Var, so 99% of officials would probably give him offside. From his side of the pitch, it would look like he's in front of the keeper, as he's on the far side. If I was them, I would be blaming Marquez, he gave them a decision to make. The linesman never put his flag up for offside. The referee came over for a conversation, most likely to ask the very simple question of whether Marquis was stood behind our last defender (which he was). It was then for the referee to decide whether Marquis was obstructing the keepers view - he decided he was which going by the still photos from the South Stand is clearly wrong. Those photos show the referee was in a good enough position to see that Marquis hadn’t placed himself directly between the keeper and the direction of the shot. It was a very poor decision and Shrewsbury must be fuming. I’m delighted that even after consulting as a team the officials managed to get the wrong decision and get us the much needed 3 points instead of 1 😁 |
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Post by wertongas on Oct 23, 2024 12:54:52 GMT
*Business Note* The club is losing money and there was not 6,300 in attendance tonight, will this game attract more fans to come back? *Reality Note* 4 of our 5 wins have came against Burton, Cambridge, Shrews and Northampton below us. A good win against mid table Charlton. I am just being a decent bloke and warning the “community” that the fixtures have been good to us and tough times are coming. I hope the community understands my care for them and us, I’d be surprised if normal service doesn’t return Saturday based on tonight’s showing. *Reality Note* We have played 4 teams in the top ten as well as Rotherham, Charlton and Peterborough. We are where we would expect to be with a completely new squad and young squad. Unfortunately those are just average teams this season , we are in a very tough league and still have four of the top six to play before Christmas . I think with a newish team we will do well to stay clear of the bottom 6, hopefully we can weather this tough season , stay in this division and push on next year. We will have to hope that beating the bottom 6 teams and picking up the odd good result against the rest will be enough to keep us out of danger. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 23, 2024 13:12:26 GMT
*Reality Note* We have played 4 teams in the top ten as well as Rotherham, Charlton and Peterborough. We are where we would expect to be with a completely new squad and young squad. So if we are including the bottom, the top and now also rans like Rotherham, your thinking is we’ve played the whole league basically Hugo?! But my thinking is Orient beat Rotherham last night, they are not that good! Charlton finished 16th last season, where does it stop saying we played big clubs just because they are big? Lose Saturday it just goes round and round. Actually yes, we sort of have played the whole league in some sense. We've played top teams, bottom teams and some in the middle. And guess what, we are bang average. Exactly where I'd expect us to be. Sure, the football hasn't been always great but is Taylor really doing all that bad? |
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Post by roadman on Oct 23, 2024 13:13:22 GMT
For now we have to keep going IMO. It's a close call, but the reality is we're generally beating those we should beat, and losing to those who will likely finish above us - so all as to be expected. We're 3 points off the playoffs and we had wholesale changes in the summer, so will likely start slowly and therefore will hopefully improve as time goes by. Anyone thinking we'd finish top 10 this season was having a laugh. It's not impossible but would have been a case us overachieving rather than delivering what was expected. Yes we "splashed the cash" on one or two, but we also lost Collins and Evans who pretty much picked up the cheque in that sense. If we start losing to the teams we're beating (i.e. the games we should expect to win) and continue to lose those we probably shouldn't, then we'll have a big problem and probably little choice. But, like it or not, right now MT is delivering the results we should be expecting. Is the "brand" of football top tier? No. But is any League One side in the bottom half of the table anything other than that? I doubt it. Let's be completely blunt about this; the biggest problem is that there are a very noisy group of Bartonistas who will do all they can to see Taylor sacked ASAP. That's not to suggest for a minute that everyone who wants Taylor gone is a Bartonista, but pretty much every Bartonista wants him gone. Excellent post. On the last point, many of the comments on the terrace last night were laughable. Within a couple of minutes there was praise for Barton's coaching when C Taylor did something good and insults to MT's coaching when C Taylor did something poor. There are some incredibly blinkered people that will fit whatever is in front of them to their narrative. Unfortunately, they're always the loud mouths and the relentless negativity before a ball has been kicked at every game is wearing. When it doesn't actually matter what happens on the pitch it's difficult to turn that kind of toxicity around. You turn it around by uniting the fans base and squad. Cogs was an idiot how he dealt with leaving us, I was one of the 1200 joyous at Portman Road that day, he came over to celebrate with us and he finally won us over. The manager is the biggest PR spokesman for any club unless you are a Simon Jordan or MacAthony at Posh. Instead of saying we need a big reality check and meeting now with everyone, saying we lost to Cheltenham reserves, how about this……….”this is a team developing, we have signed lots of players for the future and given time, as I proved at Exeter, I can get this team playing. I appreciate the fans frustrations but know one is trying harder than me and my staff and I took the job because of the potential of this club and its fan base. I ask you to get behind the team, they are young kids finding there way, we don’t want to play the football we play at times but we need these players to gel. This is the sort of stuff we are hearing from Swindon game “But, as difficult as tonight was, also a bit more clarity and hopefully a bit more clarity for the watching world that the squad probably isn't quite where people think it is and the players aren't quite where we need them to be. Collectively, tonight we were second best."………his exact words, he went onto to say he can only trust some and some won’t train with them. I posted how Cogs spoke above, Matt Taylor has set the tone and negativity and not owned any of it, he needs to get the fans back with him. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 23, 2024 13:13:51 GMT
*Reality Note* We have played 4 teams in the top ten as well as Rotherham, Charlton and Peterborough. We are where we would expect to be with a completely new squad and young squad. Unfortunately those are just average teams this season , we are in a very tough league and still have four of the top six to play before Christmas . I think with a newish team we will do well to stay clear of the bottom 6, hopefully we can weather this tough season , stay in this division and push on next year. We will have to hope that beating the bottom 6 teams and picking up the odd good result against the rest will be enough to keep us out of danger. I also think you can count us as an average team. |
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Post by baggins on Oct 23, 2024 13:24:32 GMT
Unfortunately those are just average teams this season , we are in a very tough league and still have four of the top six to play before Christmas . I think with a newish team we will do well to stay clear of the bottom 6, hopefully we can weather this tough season , stay in this division and push on next year. We will have to hope that beating the bottom 6 teams and picking up the odd good result against the rest will be enough to keep us out of danger. I also think you can count us as an average team. Apart from a few outstanding moments, we've always been an average team. |
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Post by roadman on Oct 23, 2024 13:24:51 GMT
Unfortunately those are just average teams this season , we are in a very tough league and still have four of the top six to play before Christmas . I think with a newish team we will do well to stay clear of the bottom 6, hopefully we can weather this tough season , stay in this division and push on next year. We will have to hope that beating the bottom 6 teams and picking up the odd good result against the rest will be enough to keep us out of danger. I also think you can count us as an average team. Well we are not the ones saying we are going for the Premiership, Championship and with over £1.5 million on paid fees in the squad last night. As I said, Oxford and Stevenage turned their seasons around over a summer, we look miles off it and our manager is publicly complaining we need a review meeting after the Swindon annihilation? Our fan base at times helps us be what we are, we’ve already decided staying up is an achievement and mid table will be a great season for us. I’m sorry for wanting to be a Luton, Oxford last season or an Exeter on probably half our budget. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Oct 23, 2024 14:04:34 GMT
True, but we don't have Var, so 99% of officials would probably give him offside. From his side of the pitch, it would look like he's in front of the keeper, as he's on the far side. If I was them, I would be blaming Marquez, he gave them a decision to make. The linesman never put his flag up for offside. The referee came over for a conversation, most likely to ask the very simple question of whether Marquis was stood behind our last defender (which he was). It was then for the referee to decide whether Marquis was obstructing the keepers view - he decided he was which going by the still photos from the South Stand is clearly wrong. Those photos show the referee was in a good enough position to see that Marquis hadn’t placed himself directly between the keeper and the direction of the shot. It was a very poor decision and Shrewsbury must be fuming. I’m delighted that even after consulting as a team the officials managed to get the wrong decision and get us the much needed 3 points instead of 1 😁 How many players are on the pitch? The ref won't see every player and if they are blocking the view. These decisions are given all the time and only over turned with Var. Obviously if it was us, we wouldn't be happy, but at the same time I would blame the player more than the officials. |
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Post by eric on Oct 23, 2024 14:42:35 GMT
The linesman never put his flag up for offside. The referee came over for a conversation, most likely to ask the very simple question of whether Marquis was stood behind our last defender (which he was). It was then for the referee to decide whether Marquis was obstructing the keepers view - he decided he was which going by the still photos from the South Stand is clearly wrong. Those photos show the referee was in a good enough position to see that Marquis hadn’t placed himself directly between the keeper and the direction of the shot. It was a very poor decision and Shrewsbury must be fuming. I’m delighted that even after consulting as a team the officials managed to get the wrong decision and get us the much needed 3 points instead of 1 😁 How many players are on the pitch? The ref won't see every player and if they are blocking the view. These decisions are given all the time and only over turned with Var. Obviously if it was us, we wouldn't be happy, but at the same time I would blame the player more than the officials. The ref had a great position to look straight towards the keeper and down the line of the shot. There was only one player in an offside position and the referee should have been able to see that Marquis wasn’t anywhere nearing obstructing the keepers view of the shot. Poor refereeing and why VAR was brought in in the first place at the top level - to correct clear and obvious errors like this. If the referee isn’t 100% convinced of an offside he shouldn’t have given it - like I said we were very lucky but I’m very grateful 😁 |
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Post by holmesgas1 on Oct 23, 2024 14:43:24 GMT
I also think you can count us as an average team. Well we are not the ones saying we are going for the Premiership, Championship and with over £1.5 million on paid fees in the squad last night. As I said, Oxford and Stevenage turned their seasons around over a summer, we look miles off it and our manager is publicly complaining we need a review meeting after the Swindon annihilation? Our fan base at times helps us be what we are, we’ve already decided staying up is an achievement and mid table will be a great season for us. I’m sorry for wanting to be a Luton, Oxford last season or an Exeter on probably half our budget. Oxford had been knocking at the door for seasons, so you could say the season they almost got relegated was a blip… Stevenage is the exception that proves the rule. Not saying we are going to be successful under Taylor but to sack after 3 wins in 4 is madness. If you were going to do it is when we lost 4 on the trot. |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 23, 2024 15:07:52 GMT
I also think you can count us as an average team. Well we are not the ones saying we are going for the Premiership, Championship and with over £1.5 million on paid fees in the squad last night. As I said, Oxford and Stevenage turned their seasons around over a summer, we look miles off it and our manager is publicly complaining we need a review meeting after the Swindon annihilation? Our fan base at times helps us be what we are, we’ve already decided staying up is an achievement and mid table will be a great season for us. I’m sorry for wanting to be a Luton, Oxford last season or an Exeter on probably half our budget. Agreed. We deserve everything we get. Many of our supporters are used to being a second class citizen in Bristol and accept our tinpot status. I was at Reading when they were throwing tennis balls on the pitch and our fans were mocking them. That's ironic isn't it? Who is genuinely satisfied with our club? Who ever does anything to try and force change? Instead, the attendances will just creep lower and we will stagnate further until our owners sell us off to the next Mob. Hopefully the next Mob are actually interested in progressing the club rather than treating it as a lego set. It's not all bad though. We've won 3 from 4 games..4 being the recently accepted measure. Over a season we win 19 games with a handful of draws finishing on 64 points for a mid table finish. Cool. |
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Post by holmesgas1 on Oct 23, 2024 15:12:08 GMT
Well we are not the ones saying we are going for the Premiership, Championship and with over £1.5 million on paid fees in the squad last night. As I said, Oxford and Stevenage turned their seasons around over a summer, we look miles off it and our manager is publicly complaining we need a review meeting after the Swindon annihilation? Our fan base at times helps us be what we are, we’ve already decided staying up is an achievement and mid table will be a great season for us. I’m sorry for wanting to be a Luton, Oxford last season or an Exeter on probably half our budget. Agreed. We deserve everything we get. Many of our supporters are used to being a second class citizen in Bristol and accept our tinpot status. I was at Reading when they were throwing tennis balls on the pitch and our fans were mocking them. That's ironic isn't it? Who is genuinely satisfied with our club? Who ever does anything to try and force change? Instead, the attendances will just creep lower and we will stagnate further until our owners sell us off to the next Mob. Hopefully the next Mob are actually interested in progressing the club rather than treating it as a lego set. It's not all bad though. We've won 3 from 4 games..4 being the recently accepted measure. Over a season we win 19 games with a handful of draws finishing on 64 points for a mid table finish. Cool. Reading did have something to complain about and still do. Maybe during the Higgs regime it may have been justified but not currently, so be careful what you wish for. |
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Post by roadman on Oct 23, 2024 15:15:36 GMT
Well we are not the ones saying we are going for the Premiership, Championship and with over £1.5 million on paid fees in the squad last night. As I said, Oxford and Stevenage turned their seasons around over a summer, we look miles off it and our manager is publicly complaining we need a review meeting after the Swindon annihilation? Our fan base at times helps us be what we are, we’ve already decided staying up is an achievement and mid table will be a great season for us. I’m sorry for wanting to be a Luton, Oxford last season or an Exeter on probably half our budget. Agreed. We deserve everything we get. Many of our supporters are used to being a second class citizen in Bristol and accept our tinpot status. I was at Reading when they were throwing tennis balls on the pitch and our fans were mocking them. That's ironic isn't it? Who is genuinely satisfied with our club? Who ever does anything to try and force change? Instead, the attendances will just creep lower and we will stagnate further until our owners sell us off to the next Mob. Hopefully the next Mob are actually interested in progressing the club rather than treating it as a lego set. It's not all bad though. We've won 3 from 4 games..4 being the recently accepted measure. Over a season we win 19 games with a handful of draws finishing on 64 points for a mid table finish. Cool. I’m glad someone else feels the same, £1.5 million transfer fees on the pitch last night, celebrations if we finish mid table. It’s a new side, he’s been here for 45 games and we still don’t know his brand of football or philosophy, well we do don’t we and it’s why 800 never went last night. But then the old Sky excuse comes in, utter rubbish, people love to see winning football in person, seeing their mates, no one in Oxford and Exeter has Sky Tv 😂👍 |
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Post by TAGas on Oct 23, 2024 15:21:25 GMT
Well we are not the ones saying we are going for the Premiership, Championship and with over £1.5 million on paid fees in the squad last night. As I said, Oxford and Stevenage turned their seasons around over a summer, we look miles off it and our manager is publicly complaining we need a review meeting after the Swindon annihilation? Our fan base at times helps us be what we are, we’ve already decided staying up is an achievement and mid table will be a great season for us. I’m sorry for wanting to be a Luton, Oxford last season or an Exeter on probably half our budget. Oxford had been knocking at the door for seasons, so you could say the season they almost got relegated was a blip… Stevenage is the exception that proves the rule. Not saying we are going to be successful under Taylor but to sack after 3 wins in 4 is madness. If you were going to do it is when we lost 4 on the trot. We'll see how that goes has December will be very telling: A - Leyton Orient H - Bolton A - Birmingham H - Wrexham A - Exeter A - Stevenage |
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Post by gashead79 on Oct 23, 2024 15:21:35 GMT
Agreed. We deserve everything we get. Many of our supporters are used to being a second class citizen in Bristol and accept our tinpot status. I was at Reading when they were throwing tennis balls on the pitch and our fans were mocking them. That's ironic isn't it? Who is genuinely satisfied with our club? Who ever does anything to try and force change? Instead, the attendances will just creep lower and we will stagnate further until our owners sell us off to the next Mob. Hopefully the next Mob are actually interested in progressing the club rather than treating it as a lego set. It's not all bad though. We've won 3 from 4 games..4 being the recently accepted measure. Over a season we win 19 games with a handful of draws finishing on 64 points for a mid table finish. Cool. Reading did have something to complain about and still do. Maybe during the Higgs regime it may have been justified but not currently, so be careful what you wish for. I'd need to be enlightened tbh. I've no idea what the intentions of the owners are? I can see and hear what is going on as a punter, and it doesn't exactly fill me with any degree of confidence. I listened to JBs podcast today and he seems pretty clear about the situation. From my view, these guys are just fooling around with a toy. |
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