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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 11, 2024 13:42:27 GMT
One thing I will say in all of this, which IF the rumours of Bergkamp, Kuyt and Larsson being the front of an investor and wanting to come into the club to assist in footballing matters, why wouldn't you allow them in? As fans we should be on this because we are clearly going nowhere under the current split regime of AS and ALQ. If either one of these owners/shareholders has batted them away then we deserve to know why at least. Let's be fair, it's clear Wael wants out and at some point this unharmonious union between him and the AS is going to come to an end, we also haven't seen much in the way of plans from the AS other than a lot of talk a year ago and a lot of speculative movement of development plans for the 1/4s. If there is an opportunity to have something better, we as fans need to know about it. Not sure as Fans we really have an entitlement to be told anything, but, if Investors want to come in, spend money on keeping the Club alive, I'm all for it, whoever they are. What I perhaps mean is we can apathetically stand by and watch opportunity pass us by or as fans we can actually demand what's going on because there isn't much going on at all as far as I can see. Simply being bankrolled again will only take us to our next £20-30m of debt when the old man is bored of sponsoring his sons real life attempt at championship manager and then we'll either be the wrong side of administration or being sold to the next bunch for £1 and a lot of debt. |
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 11, 2024 14:04:19 GMT
Not sure as Fans we really have an entitlement to be told anything, but, if Investors want to come in, spend money on keeping the Club alive, I'm all for it, whoever they are. What I perhaps mean is we can apathetically stand by and watch opportunity pass us by or as fans we can actually demand what's going on because there isn't much going on at all as far as I can see. Simply being bankrolled again will only take us to our next £20-30m of debt when the old man is bored of sponsoring his sons real life attempt at championship manager and then we'll either be the wrong side of administration or being sold to the next bunch for £1 and a lot of debt. Was Richie Bates lying, when he said we are still planning on improving things and have been looking into it? Is he a yes man? I'm not sure why he left Port Vale, but he seemed to be heavily involved their. Was only talking to the press their just before leaving them. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 11, 2024 14:05:43 GMT
What I perhaps mean is we can apathetically stand by and watch opportunity pass us by or as fans we can actually demand what's going on because there isn't much going on at all as far as I can see. Simply being bankrolled again will only take us to our next £20-30m of debt when the old man is bored of sponsoring his sons real life attempt at championship manager and then we'll either be the wrong side of administration or being sold to the next bunch for £1 and a lot of debt. Was Richie Bates lying, when he said we are still planning on improving things and have been looking into it? Is he a yes man? I'm not sure why he left Port Vale, but he seemed to be heavily involved their. Was only talking to the press their just before leaving them. Richie Bates is just an employee of the club. Port Vale got relegated and lost £2.5m in funding and revenue, his role was a price of relegation which is probably why he ended up here. Anyway, What's he got to do with the price of eggs? |
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 11, 2024 14:10:55 GMT
There you go again, unable to separate the best interests of the owners from the best interests of the FC. Who is we? Dunford was the ‘we’ once, then the ‘we’ was Higgs, then the ‘we’ was AQs, now the ‘we’ is the invisible men. The first two of those ‘we’s” would have signed it, they just didn’t have the capital to do so. Probably the same reason that AQs didn’t sign it. They you go again, not realizing that if it's a good deal for the club, it would be for the people that own it! In what circumstances could it be good for the club and not the owners? If it was to add value to the club, it would be good for the owners. If it was to bring more money to the club, it would bring them more money. I've asked this name times and never received an answer. Do you think giving away naming rights and the majority of space in the stadium was a good idea? You want a jogging track to put the fans further away from the pitch? Because fans are desperate for a stadium, I think they ignored all the bad points. There you go not realising that the UWE had no claim to any revenue generated by the stadium that was in the perimeter of the stadium. The whole spiel about the UWE being a bad deal for the club was a complete lie that Hani spun because he didn't want to build it with his money. Put it this way, do you think we would be in a better or worse position now if they had built the UWE even to basic Higgs spec? The UWE could have been built for £35m 10 years ago. The same stadium today will cost £50m. |
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Post by badengas on Nov 11, 2024 14:16:40 GMT
Are Dutch and Swedish owners potentially any better than Jordanian and Kuwaiti ?
Money talks, not nationality. I'll still be a Gashead when the Martians arrive.
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Post by daniel300380 on Nov 11, 2024 14:28:28 GMT
They you go again, not realizing that if it's a good deal for the club, it would be for the people that own it! In what circumstances could it be good for the club and not the owners? If it was to add value to the club, it would be good for the owners. If it was to bring more money to the club, it would bring them more money. I've asked this name times and never received an answer. Do you think giving away naming rights and the majority of space in the stadium was a good idea? You want a jogging track to put the fans further away from the pitch? Because fans are desperate for a stadium, I think they ignored all the bad points. There you go not realising that the UWE had no claim to any revenue generated by the stadium that was in the perimeter of the stadium. The whole spiel about the UWE being a bad deal for the club was a complete lie that Hani spun because he didn't want to build it with his money. Put it this way, do you think we would be in a better or worse position now if they had built the UWE even to basic Higgs spec? The UWE could have been built for £35m 10 years ago. The same stadium today will cost £50m. That's not what I heard and from a pretty good source. So we were going to receive money for the lecture halls, uni gyms, bars, jogging track etc and they were going to pay us for naming rights? Seems highly unlikely we would receive money, for all of that. When it involves 2 parties, it's unlikely that both would get a good deal. If the sainsburys deal paid for the build, it probably would have been a great deal. But, when it didn't, I can't see a way of making enough profit to fund it and the club, while giving away naming rights and areas of the stadium. |
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Nov 11, 2024 14:43:07 GMT
Can somebody drive by the Fruit Market ……see if the landing lights bare back on. #gone Just seen Bergkamp being dragged into Amsterdam airport to be bundled onto a Bristol flight. Tried to get details from him but all I heard was 'I ain't gettin' on no plane' |
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Post by Colyton Gas on Nov 11, 2024 15:02:33 GMT
'Can't let you all know if anything is happening due to a confidentiality clause'
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Post by eric on Nov 11, 2024 15:15:19 GMT
Can somebody drive by the Fruit Market ……see if the landing lights bare back on. #gone Just seen Bergkamp being dragged into Amsterdam airport to be bundled onto a Bristol flight. Tried to get details from him but all I heard was 'I ain't gettin' on no plane' Was the pilot called Murdoch? |
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Post by nsblue on Nov 11, 2024 15:19:52 GMT
Are Dutch and Swedish owners potentially any better than Jordanian and Kuwaiti ? Money talks, not nationality. I'll still be a Gashead when the Martians arrive. Martians - that should be a thread of its own! I hope you are being serious and not talking out of Uranus! |
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Post by stuart1974 on Nov 11, 2024 15:23:48 GMT
Are Dutch and Swedish owners potentially any better than Jordanian and Kuwaiti ? Money talks, not nationality. I'll still be a Gashead when the Martians arrive. Martians - that should be a tread of its own! I hope you are being serious and not talking out of Uranus! It is one of the four gas giants. 😁 |
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Post by gashead79 on Nov 11, 2024 15:43:32 GMT
It’s pretty hilarious how much nonsense people believe from randoms on a forum 😂 To be fair to Doc he was posting on Rovers forums when you were still in your old man's ballsack and he's pretty much said he expects the rumour is nonsese. 😄 |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 11, 2024 15:55:10 GMT
They you go again, not realizing that if it's a good deal for the club, it would be for the people that own it! In what circumstances could it be good for the club and not the owners? If it was to add value to the club, it would be good for the owners. If it was to bring more money to the club, it would bring them more money. I've asked this name times and never received an answer. Do you think giving away naming rights and the majority of space in the stadium was a good idea? You want a jogging track to put the fans further away from the pitch? Because fans are desperate for a stadium, I think they ignored all the bad points. There you go not realising that the UWE had no claim to any revenue generated by the stadium that was in the perimeter of the stadium. The whole spiel about the UWE being a bad deal for the club was a complete lie that Hani spun because he didn't want to build it with his money. Put it this way, do you think we would be in a better or worse position now if they had built the UWE even to basic Higgs spec? The UWE could have been built for £35m 10 years ago. The same stadium today will cost £50m. The problem is none of us know if the contract on offer made it viable, we could be like Darlington, a fantastic stadium we couldn't afford to play in, having said that what would the UWE gain from having a stadium built on their land but no professional club playing in it? Pretty sure Wael reopened talks with the UWE after his father's death, so it can't all be down to just Hani. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 11, 2024 15:59:09 GMT
There you go not realising that the UWE had no claim to any revenue generated by the stadium that was in the perimeter of the stadium. The whole spiel about the UWE being a bad deal for the club was a complete lie that Hani spun because he didn't want to build it with his money. Put it this way, do you think we would be in a better or worse position now if they had built the UWE even to basic Higgs spec? The UWE could have been built for £35m 10 years ago. The same stadium today will cost £50m. That's not what I heard and from a pretty good source. So we were going to receive money for the lecture halls, uni gyms, bars, jogging track etc and they were going to pay us for naming rights? Seems highly unlikely we would receive money, for all of that. When it involves 2 parties, it's unlikely that both would get a good deal. If the sainsburys deal paid for the build, it probably would have been a great deal. But, when it didn't, I can't see a way of making enough profit to fund it and the club, while giving away naming rights and areas of the stadium. Problem is unless a Lansdown like billionaire decides to splash £100m+ on building us a new stadium, then I doubt anything will ever be viable. Where's the £35m coming from to redevelop the Mem and The Quarters, no doubt another wonga type loan? |
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 11, 2024 16:12:22 GMT
There you go not realising that the UWE had no claim to any revenue generated by the stadium that was in the perimeter of the stadium. The whole spiel about the UWE being a bad deal for the club was a complete lie that Hani spun because he didn't want to build it with his money. Put it this way, do you think we would be in a better or worse position now if they had built the UWE even to basic Higgs spec? The UWE could have been built for £35m 10 years ago. The same stadium today will cost £50m. That's not what I heard and from a pretty good source. So we were going to receive money for the lecture halls, uni gyms, bars, jogging track etc and they were going to pay us for naming rights? Seems highly unlikely we would receive money, for all of that. When it involves 2 parties, it's unlikely that both would get a good deal. If the sainsburys deal paid for the build, it probably would have been a great deal. But, when it didn't, I can't see a way of making enough profit to fund it and the club, while giving away naming rights and areas of the stadium. Well my uncle being on the board at the time, then trying to resurrect said stadium not once but twice afterwards, once when Wael assumed full control is also a pretty source and it also says it wasn't a bad deal all along. The deal was that any revenue earned inside the stadium was for ours to keep. Anything which was outside of a 10m perimeter of the stadium UWE could earn from, hence the car parking revenue being theirs and not ours. The amount of student and retail opportunity there could have easily made the UWE viable, especially when you consider that we've spent £30m in the last 10 years and all we've had to show for it is a couple of temporary stands and a semi permanent structure which was ill thought out and can't even weight bear a new scoreboard, apparently. Even if we sold the Mem for half of the value of the Sainsbury's deal and financed the UWE somehow ourselves it would have been the deal of the century as far as stadiums go. |
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Post by albaron on Nov 11, 2024 16:59:19 GMT
That's not what I heard and from a pretty good source. So we were going to receive money for the lecture halls, uni gyms, bars, jogging track etc and they were going to pay us for naming rights? Seems highly unlikely we would receive money, for all of that. When it involves 2 parties, it's unlikely that both would get a good deal. If the sainsburys deal paid for the build, it probably would have been a great deal. But, when it didn't, I can't see a way of making enough profit to fund it and the club, while giving away naming rights and areas of the stadium. Well my uncle being on the board at the time, then trying to resurrect said stadium not once but twice afterwards, once when Wael assumed full control is also a pretty source and it also says it wasn't a bad deal all along. The deal was that any revenue earned inside the stadium was for ours to keep. Anything which was outside of a 10m perimeter of the stadium UWE could earn from, hence the car parking revenue being theirs and not ours. The amount of student and retail opportunity there could have easily made the UWE viable, especially when you consider that we've spent £30m in the last 10 years and all we've had to show for it is a couple of temporary stands and a semi permanent structure which was ill thought out and can't even weight bear a new scoreboard, apparently. Even if we sold the Mem for half of the value of the Sainsbury's deal and financed the UWE somehow ourselves it would have been the deal of the century as far as stadiums go. So why did your uncle + others fail to get this over the line then ? |
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Post by returnofthedust on Nov 11, 2024 16:59:35 GMT
There you go not realising that the UWE had no claim to any revenue generated by the stadium that was in the perimeter of the stadium. The whole spiel about the UWE being a bad deal for the club was a complete lie that Hani spun because he didn't want to build it with his money. Put it this way, do you think we would be in a better or worse position now if they had built the UWE even to basic Higgs spec? The UWE could have been built for £35m 10 years ago. The same stadium today will cost £50m. That's not what I heard and from a pretty good source. So we were going to receive money for the lecture halls, uni gyms, bars, jogging track etc and they were going to pay us for naming rights? Seems highly unlikely we would receive money, for all of that. When it involves 2 parties, it's unlikely that both would get a good deal. If the sainsburys deal paid for the build, it probably would have been a great deal. But, when it didn't, I can't see a way of making enough profit to fund it and the club, while giving away naming rights and areas of the stadium. Ask Darrell Clarke what he thinks. Spoiler-he thinks that if it has been Wael’s decision it would have got built. Hani had no interest in building it, by the time Wael had full control it was too late. |
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Post by returnofthedust on Nov 11, 2024 17:01:31 GMT
Well my uncle being on the board at the time, then trying to resurrect said stadium not once but twice afterwards, once when Wael assumed full control is also a pretty source and it also says it wasn't a bad deal all along. The deal was that any revenue earned inside the stadium was for ours to keep. Anything which was outside of a 10m perimeter of the stadium UWE could earn from, hence the car parking revenue being theirs and not ours. The amount of student and retail opportunity there could have easily made the UWE viable, especially when you consider that we've spent £30m in the last 10 years and all we've had to show for it is a couple of temporary stands and a semi permanent structure which was ill thought out and can't even weight bear a new scoreboard, apparently. Even if we sold the Mem for half of the value of the Sainsbury's deal and financed the UWE somehow ourselves it would have been the deal of the century as far as stadiums go. So why did your uncle + others fail to get this over the line then ? We all know this don’t we? They didn’t have e capital to do it and Sainsbury’s pulled the plug. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 11, 2024 17:06:07 GMT
Well my uncle being on the board at the time, then trying to resurrect said stadium not once but twice afterwards, once when Wael assumed full control is also a pretty source and it also says it wasn't a bad deal all along. The deal was that any revenue earned inside the stadium was for ours to keep. Anything which was outside of a 10m perimeter of the stadium UWE could earn from, hence the car parking revenue being theirs and not ours. The amount of student and retail opportunity there could have easily made the UWE viable, especially when you consider that we've spent £30m in the last 10 years and all we've had to show for it is a couple of temporary stands and a semi permanent structure which was ill thought out and can't even weight bear a new scoreboard, apparently. Even if we sold the Mem for half of the value of the Sainsbury's deal and financed the UWE somehow ourselves it would have been the deal of the century as far as stadiums go. So why did your uncle + others fail to get this over the line then ? Do we need to do the Sainsbury's thread again? The main reason Higgs and Co sold out to the ALQs was we lost the Sainsbury's case and those 4 men alone couldn't unlock the funding themselves and Hani said he could and promised to build it. Hani then pulled the plug stating a bad deal. Then wanted to renegotiate all the terms which UWE, together with Ed did, in fact Ed paid for all the of the redrawings himself. Hani again pulled the plug. When Wael took over Ed was asked again to look at the UWE site as an option. After the 3rd attempt UWE didn't want to do business with us and to be honest, who can blame them. |
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Post by gashead1981 on Nov 11, 2024 17:08:05 GMT
That's not what I heard and from a pretty good source. So we were going to receive money for the lecture halls, uni gyms, bars, jogging track etc and they were going to pay us for naming rights? Seems highly unlikely we would receive money, for all of that. When it involves 2 parties, it's unlikely that both would get a good deal. If the sainsburys deal paid for the build, it probably would have been a great deal. But, when it didn't, I can't see a way of making enough profit to fund it and the club, while giving away naming rights and areas of the stadium. Ask Darrell Clarke what he thinks. Spoiler-he thinks that if it has been Wael’s decision it would have got built. Hani had no interest in building it, by the time Wael had full control it was too late. DC said exactly this to me as well. We had him in our box for the Barnsley game last season. "It's a shame Wael didn't have full control from the start because if he did, I fully believe it would have happened". |
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