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Post by aghast on Feb 20, 2015 21:54:42 GMT
Whether we go up this season or not, it must be wise for the Board to be thinking now about how we would cope back in the Football League.
We could be playing our first games in League 2 in less than 6 months. Regardless of what happens with the Sainsbury's court case and the rather far-off prospect of moving to the UWE, it would be a disaster if we were to be relegated straight back to the Conference, having failed to prepare for the tougher challenges.
It would seem we didn't do the planning when we were relegated, and it seems clear we must do better by way of preparation this time around. We don't want to hear about DC desperately phoning seasoned old FL pros in July in the hope of cobbling a squad together.
I know a lot of the work can't happen until we know if we're going up or not, but there surely must be a plan as to what that work will be.
Less than six months to plan for action. NH and DC need our advice. Not in May, but now.
What shall we advise them to do?
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 20, 2015 21:59:59 GMT
If DC needs advice from us I think the first thing NH needs to do is start looking for a new manager for next season!!
On a serious note whilst NH/TW can start thinking about next season's budget for both Div 2 and if we still remain in the Conference, it seems far to soon for DC to start planning his squad for next season.
If we go straight up then DC will have most of May to plan his summer signings before the league teams finish their Play Off matches.
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Post by empirebaypete on Feb 20, 2015 22:02:08 GMT
I was only thinking the same thing last night, while watching the Football League show. What came to mind was the fact we could get promoted and then struggle, or heaven forbid go back down.
So how many players would we have to replace? Could the current crop step up with 2 or 3 new players brought in?
As I said last summer. There'll be loads of players looking for work anyhow. Hopefully we'll be able to pick some up cheap
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 20, 2015 22:11:46 GMT
Isn't there loads of players looking for work every summer? Surely it's all about signing the Mansel's & Sinclair's and not the Kenneth's & Virgo's that's the important part?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 22:14:02 GMT
Whether we go up this season or not, it must be wise for the Board to be thinking now about how we would cope back in the Football League. We could be playing our first games in League 2 in less than 6 months. Regardless of what happens with the Sainsbury's court case and the rather far-off prospect of moving to the UWE, it would be a disaster if we were to be relegated straight back to the Conference, having failed to prepare for the tougher challenges. It would seem we didn't do the planning when we were relegated, and it seems clear we must do better by way of preparation this time around. We don't want to hear about DC desperately phoning seasoned old FL pros in July in the hope of cobbling a squad together. I know a lot of the work can't happen until we know if we're going up or not, but there surely must be a plan as to what that work will be. Less than six months to plan for action. NH and DC need our advice. Not in May, but now. What shall we advise them to do? Any chance of sharing a glass of what you are drinking because I think it's a lot stronger that this Butcombe.
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Post by aghast on Feb 20, 2015 22:38:28 GMT
It's a serious point. You might laugh at me now, but you won't if we get promoted and with no plan and then things go badly wrong early next season.
I'm not saying we have to sign a new squad, prepare for a different style and quality of of oppostion and play, reserve spaces for the greater number of away fans, prepare tickets, declare season ticket prices, cook the pasties, and knit the free blue scarves, but we can plan for all of those things now.
Not in May. When we can all look around the Mem in astonishment and say "blimey, we've gone back up!"
At which point everyone will look at Box 1 and say "So Higgsy, what's your grand plan to make our return to the League a success?"
At which point he will say "Well, to be honest, I hadn't planned for it. We'll just have to muddle through in the next few weeks and hope it all goes well."
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Post by truegas on Feb 20, 2015 23:33:06 GMT
It's a serious point. You might laugh at me now, but you won't if we get promoted and with no plan and then things go badly wrong early next season. I'm not saying we have to sign a new squad, prepare for a different style and quality of of oppostion and play, reserve spaces for the greater number of away fans, prepare tickets, declare season ticket prices, cook the pasties, and knit the free blue scarves, but we can plan for all of those things now. Not in May. When we can all look around the Mem in astonishment and say "blimey, we've gone back up!" At which point everyone will look at Box 1 and say "So Higgsy, what's your grand plan to make our return to the League a success?" At which point he will say "Well, to be honest, I hadn't planned for it. We'll just have to muddle through in the next few weeks and hope it all goes well." You're really jumping the gun here. Drop any points in these 2 home games and it'll all be doom and gloom and no point in planning for League Two at all. Let's make sure we get there first!! Anyway, how much planning can Higgs really do? If we do get promoted, we get a budget basically the same as last season and hopefully this seasons team put Clarke in a position to build and do better than Ward did. It's all down to the manager and the players he wants to bring in, at the end of the day. I'm off to sleep, to dream of us getting the promotion that we can then plan for. Let's bloody hope we bag those 3 points tomorrow! UTG
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Post by lympstonegas on Feb 20, 2015 23:54:03 GMT
Whether we go up this season or not, it must be wise for the Board to be thinking now about how we would cope back in the Football League. We could be playing our first games in League 2 in less than 6 months. Regardless of what happens with the Sainsbury's court case and the rather far-off prospect of moving to the UWE, it would be a disaster if we were to be relegated straight back to the Conference, having failed to prepare for the tougher challenges. It would seem we didn't do the planning when we were relegated, and it seems clear we must do better by way of preparation this time around. We don't want to hear about DC desperately phoning seasoned old FL pros in July in the hope of cobbling a squad together. I know a lot of the work can't happen until we know if we're going up or not, but there surely must be a plan as to what that work will be. Less than six months to plan for action. NH and DC need our advice. Not in May, but now. What shall we advise them to do? What shall you advise them to do ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2015 23:59:17 GMT
Whether we go up this season or not, it must be wise for the Board to be thinking now about how we would cope back in the Football League. We could be playing our first games in League 2 in less than 6 months. Regardless of what happens with the Sainsbury's court case and the rather far-off prospect of moving to the UWE, it would be a disaster if we were to be relegated straight back to the Conference, having failed to prepare for the tougher challenges. It would seem we didn't do the planning when we were relegated, and it seems clear we must do better by way of preparation this time around. We don't want to hear about DC desperately phoning seasoned old FL pros in July in the hope of cobbling a squad together. I know a lot of the work can't happen until we know if we're going up or not, but there surely must be a plan as to what that work will be. Less than six months to plan for action. NH and DC need our advice. Not in May, but now. What shall we advise them to do? What shall you advise them to do ? Cook the pasties is sage advice. Could make all the difference.
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Post by kylegas on Feb 21, 2015 0:48:43 GMT
Well we as fans don't have to plan anything, or give any advice, for all we know Clarke and Higgs might have an "if we go up" plan ready and waiting, and an equal "if we don't go up" plan, I've got an idea in my head of which players I think can and can't make the step up but my opinion doesn't mean a great deal, I'm pretty sure if I have an idea then Clarke does as well, we can talk about it all summer but at the end of the day all we can do is sit back and see what happens. I believe we'll go up this season and I think Clarke will make additions and do alright next year as well. Utg
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Feb 21, 2015 4:47:50 GMT
What shall we advise them to do? DC - concentrate on the next of 12 cup finals. NH - continue looking at outside investment and securing a war chest suitable for whatever division we are in. If they need the advice of car mechanics, shop salesmen, bank clerks, restauranters, analysts, publicans, minor council officials, IT consultants, hairdressers, professional gamblers and students/schoolchildren etc. on what to concentrate on with a quarter of the season to go then we are in trouble!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 5:53:49 GMT
We need to send TW on a basic skills level maths course as a starting point.
On a serious note we would be too by at least 6-9 points if we had planned properly for this season so lets not have another pre season like the last 3 or 4.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 7:00:52 GMT
Well we as fans don't have to plan anything, or give any advice, for all we know Clarke and Higgs might have an "if we go up" plan ready and waiting, and an equal "if we don't go up" plan, I've got an idea in my head of which players I think can and can't make the step up but my opinion doesn't mean a great deal, I'm pretty sure if I have an idea then Clarke does as well, we can talk about it all summer but at the end of the day all we can do is sit back and see what happens. I believe we'll go up this season and I think Clarke will make additions and do alright next year as well. Utg But isn't that what the OP is saying? Our recent history suggests we haven't planned well for likely outcomes based on our league position this time of the year in the past.
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Post by simon1883 on Feb 21, 2015 7:41:36 GMT
Regardless of how it might be seen as "jumping the gun" the club should be continually planning for a number of out comes. When things are going well investors are willing to part with more.
There should already be two budgets prepared. This is what SHOULD have been done last season. DC should finish his last game if the season - be it auto promo or the play offs. He should already know by that time, what he can/can't bring in.
Simple planning. Something we seem to not get right.
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Post by Wembley_Gas on Feb 21, 2015 7:46:42 GMT
Well we as fans don't have to plan anything, or give any advice, for all we know Clarke and Higgs might have an "if we go up" plan ready and waiting, and an equal "if we don't go up" plan, I've got an idea in my head of which players I think can and can't make the step up but my opinion doesn't mean a great deal, I'm pretty sure if I have an idea then Clarke does as well, we can talk about it all summer but at the end of the day all we can do is sit back and see what happens. I believe we'll go up this season and I think Clarke will make additions and do alright next year as well. Utg But isn't that what the OP is saying? Our recent history suggests we haven't planned well for likely outcomes based on our league position this time of the year in the past. I thought they told us the plan? Build a new stadium and float up three divisions like Swansea, Hull, Brighton etc....you mean there has to be more to it than that? Crumbs we might need the advice of all those car mechanics, shop salesmen and schoolchildren after all then
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Post by kylegas on Feb 21, 2015 8:48:24 GMT
Well we as fans don't have to plan anything, or give any advice, for all we know Clarke and Higgs might have an "if we go up" plan ready and waiting, and an equal "if we don't go up" plan, I've got an idea in my head of which players I think can and can't make the step up but my opinion doesn't mean a great deal, I'm pretty sure if I have an idea then Clarke does as well, we can talk about it all summer but at the end of the day all we can do is sit back and see what happens. I believe we'll go up this season and I think Clarke will make additions and do alright next year as well. Utg But isn't that what the OP is saying? Our recent history suggests we haven't planned well for likely outcomes based on our league position this time of the year in the past. Sounds to me like he's making the assumption that we haven't and are not going to plan this time actually, where as I'm just simply saying.. How are we to know what they're planning whatever happens?? We just have to support or not support
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 9:02:34 GMT
Whether we go up this season or not, it must be wise for the Board to be thinking now about how we would cope back in the Football League. We could be playing our first games in League 2 in less than 6 months. Regardless of what happens with the Sainsbury's court case and the rather far-off prospect of moving to the UWE, it would be a disaster if we were to be relegated straight back to the Conference, having failed to prepare for the tougher challenges. It would seem we didn't do the planning when we were relegated, and it seems clear we must do better by way of preparation this time around. We don't want to hear about DC desperately phoning seasoned old FL pros in July in the hope of cobbling a squad together. I know a lot of the work can't happen until we know if we're going up or not, but there surely must be a plan as to what that work will be. Less than six months to plan for action. NH and DC need our advice. Not in May, but now. What shall we advise them to do? Think we've got to put faith back into the board mate, and enjoy the ride!
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Post by Strange Gas on Feb 21, 2015 9:06:48 GMT
I can only think this would be a nice problem to have at this stage.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 9:09:48 GMT
With the greatest respect to the OP I honestly don't see that we need to plan for life in league two, it is hardly a foriegn land to us. I would hope that the board would be aware that they may need to strengthen the squad to cope, but other than that how else can we prepare?. I know that the board were criticized for not even contemplating relegation to the conference and with good reason. Promotion however is still a long way from reality and in all fairness I am more worried about our ability to survive another year or more in the conference on ever decreasing budgets.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2015 9:32:07 GMT
But isn't that what the OP is saying? Our recent history suggests we haven't planned well for likely outcomes based on our league position this time of the year in the past. Sounds to me like he's making the assumption that we haven't and are not going to plan this time actually, where as I'm just simply saying.. How are we to know what they're planning whatever happens?? We just have to support or not support Well we didn't plan for relegation last year so what makes you think they will have planned this year? I think its a bit childish of the poster to say that school kids and mechanics on here have all the answers. I also think its too simplistic to say "trust the board, its not our job to worry about it". Our job as fans is to support the team and to ensure we ask the right questions of the custodians of our club. We would be failing as fans not to ask now if last years mistakes are being repeated. We don't have to have the answers to ask questions. We are not board members of a football club. You don't go to a mechanic knowing how to fix your car do you? The board should have a 3yr and 5yr plan but they should also have several "what if..." Plans that cover the most likely events as a season progresses. Or should an Engineer like me just sit back like a good little boy and trust in people that , no matter how much I want them to succeed, have always let me down?
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