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Post by peterparker on Feb 24, 2015 13:23:29 GMT
The loan is a worry, especially if the court case doesn't go in our favour. I am sure though that the finance option taken wouldn't have been at the top of the list of what to do.
If Geoff was not allowed to attend the Valentine's ball than that is bizarre
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Post by RD on Feb 24, 2015 13:24:18 GMT
Can you confirm where this has been "confirmed"? And by whom? Peter Dunford on twitter Thanks for confirming. If true then it is surprising on the face of it. Of course however, we don't know the ins and outs of how this has come about. I appreciate that's the reason your asking the question; I just doubt that BSS will post the answers on this public form. 1) Is a business decision made by the club. We can't complain if they chose to keep details of the reasons for it behind closed doors if the reasons are confidential for a reason (i.e. one would assume there's a good reason for them having taken out a high interest loan as opposed to a longer term one, as you suggest) 2) Is a personal matter. On the face out if it, it doesn't sound good. However, if it's a personal issue/argument then I don't expect us to hear about it and I'm not really sure we should do either I think you'll have better luck seeking him out at the ground (as you originally suggested you'd do) or, as a worst case scenario - private messaging him on here.
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Post by simon1883 on Feb 24, 2015 13:24:29 GMT
Chairman not present either.
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Post by gasincider on Feb 24, 2015 13:25:50 GMT
Your points are easy to answer. The chairman took out the loan, not BSS.
If indeed GD was stopped from attending the ball, again BSS would not have played a part in that, it would be the chairman.
So instead of asking questions you know he can't answer, why don't you go to the AGM on the 2nd March and ask the guy who is obviously behind both issues. There is an open Q & A at the end of the meeting. As far as I'm aware there has not been a board meeting since both issues have become public.
I'm sure GD will have far more important matters on his mind than worrying whether he and Sharon are invited to a ball.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 13:30:41 GMT
Sack the board.
Oops wrong forum. Sorry.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 13:32:58 GMT
Bss attends board meetings so would know and was in the know when KS was banned.
I appreciate he is unlikely to answer but i think this information needs to be out there. My motive is only ever to get information out there, apologies if people dont wan to know.
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Post by peterparker on Feb 24, 2015 13:33:35 GMT
Your points are easy to answer. The chairman took out the loan, not BSS. If indeed GD was stopped from attending the ball, again BSS would not have played a part in that, it would be the chairman. So instead of asking questions you know he can't answer, why don't you go to the AGM on the 2nd March and ask the guy who is obviously behind both issues. There is an open Q & A at the end of the meeting. As far as I'm aware there has not been a board meeting since both issues have become public. I'm sure GD will have far more important matters on his mind than worrying whether he and Sharon are invited to a ball. Maybe Geoff does, but the irony in Geoff being barred from attending a club function....
Geoff has divided people over the years (perhaps not surprisingly given his tenure) and I have had my own issues with him. That said the guy has given a lot of his life to the club for better or worse and for a man who has basically wanted to retire, it's pretty shameful for him to be excluded if that is the case
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Post by CheshireGas on Feb 24, 2015 13:39:43 GMT
Thanks for confirming. If true then it is surprising on the face of it. Of course however, we don't know the ins and outs of how this has come about. I appreciate that's the reason your asking the question; I just doubt that BSS will post the answers on this public form. 1) Is a business decision made by the club. We can't complain if they chose to keep details of the reasons for it behind closed doors if the reasons are confidential for a reason (i.e. one would assume there's a good reason for them having taken out a high interest loan as opposed to a longer term one, as you suggest) 2) Is a personal matter. On the face out if it, it doesn't sound good. However, if it's a personal issue/argument then I don't expect us to hear about it and I'm not really sure we should do either I think you'll have better luck seeking him out at the ground (as you originally suggested you'd do) or, as a worst case scenario - private messaging him on here. Is 2) a personal matter? This is how Kevin Spencer was originally banned, the second part was a ban from the ground. It was a BRFC evening not a personal evening. To me it seems pathetic banning people from a Valentines Dance. I guess it is like someone posted earlier a decision made by the Chairman in his capacity as Chair and majority shareholder. Would be interesting to see if the others agree with him. If they do it is a further distancing of the current BoD from the past and from supporters. I may disagree with GoD's actions in the past but he does not deserve to be ostracised by the club.
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Post by gasincider on Feb 24, 2015 13:45:49 GMT
As I said, there has not been a board meeting since these issues became known, so again I say attend on Monday as you have done before and ask the questions. We will all be interested in the answers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 14:37:45 GMT
Thing is regardless of the circumstances this is personal to Geoff Dunford. While He may well be happy for this to be discussed on a public forum and despite the fact that a family member decided to post comments on twitter, it is still his business. impo
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 24, 2015 14:43:58 GMT
The reason for the loan is in the current accounts. 1) Pay off £200,000 to GD's Company 2) To fund our on going legal costs against Sainsbury 3) to Cover our playing costs for this season and next Henbury, why take out a super high interest 12 month rather then a low rate longer term? What happens if the stadium falls through? Migh be decent answers but its worth asking I also forgot to put in the £990,000 Barclays repayment because they no longer wanted to fund us
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Post by tumshie on Feb 24, 2015 14:45:37 GMT
Attention seeking thread from someone who enjoys stirring. Really love how you decided the day we can go top of the Division you bring up some hard questions. You could have seeked out BSS who is only to keen to answer questions but chose a public forum. Jeez some people love causing divides.
All in my opinion of course, as forum rules dictate.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 15:10:15 GMT
Attention seeking thread from someone who enjoys stirring. Really love how you decided the day we can go top of the Division you bring up some hard questions. You could have seeked out BSS who is only to keen to answer questions but chose a public forum. Jeez some people love causing divides. All in my opinion of course, as forum rules dictate. Fair enough, sorry if thats what you think, it was only brought to my attention this morning so put it out there as i always have done. I dont recall you accusing me of being attention seeking when i was posting live streams from q and a's and council stadium meetings for the last decade or so. Win, lose or draw i believe in transparency and enjoy discussing Rovers and i will be there tonight cheering on the Boys
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Post by RD on Feb 24, 2015 15:19:08 GMT
Thanks for confirming. If true then it is surprising on the face of it. Of course however, we don't know the ins and outs of how this has come about. I appreciate that's the reason your asking the question; I just doubt that BSS will post the answers on this public form. 1) Is a business decision made by the club. We can't complain if they chose to keep details of the reasons for it behind closed doors if the reasons are confidential for a reason (i.e. one would assume there's a good reason for them having taken out a high interest loan as opposed to a longer term one, as you suggest) 2) Is a personal matter. On the face out if it, it doesn't sound good. However, if it's a personal issue/argument then I don't expect us to hear about it and I'm not really sure we should do either I think you'll have better luck seeking him out at the ground (as you originally suggested you'd do) or, as a worst case scenario - private messaging him on here. Is 2) a personal matter? This is how Kevin Spencer was originally banned, the second part was a ban from the ground. It was a BRFC evening not a personal evening. To me it seems pathetic banning people from a Valentines Dance. I guess it is like someone posted earlier a decision made by the Chairman in his capacity as Chair and majority shareholder. Would be interesting to see if the others agree with him. If they do it is a further distancing of the current BoD from the past and from supporters. I may disagree with GoD's actions in the past but he does not deserve to be ostracised by the club. Well I have no idea if it is a personal matter - that's exactly the point that I am making; that we shouldn't just jump to conclusions. However, one would surely assume, that a decision to personally exclude somebody from an event was indeed a personal matter? It's all good and well saying that it's a club event, but if you own the club, that's still ultimately your decision. Regarding your last two sentences; perhaps. But we have no idea of the reasons behind the exclusion. Perhaps there is a very good reason - one would assume there is at the very least a reason, so without being party to that information, I don't think it's fair to start accusing the board of distancing supporters or indeed comparing it to the Kevin Spencer debacle. For all we know, Geoff sent a Valentine's card to Higgsy's wife!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 15:19:06 GMT
No i didnt i asked Brian if he would answer a question from me to him on gas chat
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Post by RD on Feb 24, 2015 15:19:34 GMT
#valentinesgate
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 15:20:33 GMT
Fair enough, sorry if thats what you think, it was only brought to my attention this morning so put it out there as i always have done. I dont recall you accusing me of being attention seeking when i was posting live streams from q and a's and council stadium meetings for the last decade or so. Win, lose or draw i believe in transparency and enjoy discussing Rovers and i will be there tonight cheering on the Boys I think those of us with half a brain can see what you're doing, as you have done before, sow seeds and then pretend you're a really nice chap really. You ask BSS on Twitter, but don't even show decency in waiting for a reply before straight on a Forum to share it all. Stinks of "Look at me, Look at me" As i say that's just my opinion though. Ps i am a decent guy thanks.
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Post by RD on Feb 24, 2015 15:20:45 GMT
No i didnt i asked Brian if he would answer a question from me to him on gas chat Why didn't you just tweet him with the question? Is that not like ringing someone to ask if you can drop them a text?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 24, 2015 15:33:42 GMT
BSS stands in front of me during the first half, maybe i should point him to this forum ??
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Post by brianss on Feb 24, 2015 15:51:58 GMT
Hi
Not an excuse but it would be wrong of me to discuss financial implications of the club before this has been discussed at the AGM next , Tuesday. For those who are not shareholders,there is always an open session afterwards where all fans can come in and ask questions.
As to Geoff, I agree we owe him and his family our sincere gratitude for the support they have given the club over a great many years. I have no idea why he was not invited and disappointed. The club needs to unite as we continue to move forward.. including 3 more points tonight!
best wishes
Brian
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