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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 7:34:11 GMT
Ok, so we have all been calling for the Board to hold a review following the debacle of last season.
This led me to wonder about my own season as a fan. Do I regret supporting Ward for as long as I did? Did I wish for DC too soon? (I still wonder if JW would have got more points than DC). Could I have been to more games than I did? Should I have been more vocal towards the Board at Xmas?
For me, if I am really honest with myself, it was that I really didn't think we'd get relegated. I was complacent and allowed things to just take their course in the belief it would come good.
In some ways, although the "negs" on the OF were eventually proved right I wonder too if they regret their approach? The forum became very polarized and the more damning the criticism, the more the tinters refused to even listen. Could both sides have done more to listen and found more positive ways to engage?
I don't want this to degenerate into an argument.
I am just genuinely interested in what we think WE have learned?
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Post by RD on Jun 20, 2014 8:51:40 GMT
No regrets. I said we'd go down. I said Ward should go earlier. I said our squad were water-poorly assembled and devoid of any pace.
All in all, having conducted a top-down review of my own performance, I am very happy with it and all the blame lies entirely with others; BoD, JW and tinters.
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England are Dam sh**.
I'm not in a good mood this morning. ARHJHWJEHJKQEHJKDHSADNMc
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 9:20:51 GMT
No. My job as a fan is to blindly trust what is served up. If I had £60 mil in the bank it would be a different answer.
Some people are of the opinion that voicing up and demanding change equals progress, but that isn't guaranteed. Likewise, doing nothing doesn't necessarily mean that things will continue to be bad.
I do wish that more than what did would sign petitions and write letters though.
35K at Wembley yet a tiny % of people when it matters is frustrating.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 9:42:40 GMT
No regrets. I said we'd go down. I said Ward should go earlier. I said our squad were water-poorly assembled and devoid of any pace. All in all, having conducted a top-down review of my own performance, I am very happy with it and all the blame lies entirely with others; BoD, JW and tinters. P.S. England are ***g s***. I'm not in a good mood this morning. ARHJHWJEHJKQEHJKDHSADNMc I think you are being too hard on yourself there mate.... To be fair, I am not looking for blame. Just thought its important to be prepared to do that that we demand of others. |
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Post by mjhgas on Jun 20, 2014 10:20:38 GMT
No. The fans could easily have turned on the players at any point from the Torquay home game. The fact that we stuck together and turned up in numbers only highlights that we could see what was happening - something the directors didn't despite sitting in the same grounds each week!
Perhaps, we could have had a moan earlier and protested at the negative football, the lack of away wins and the lack of strikers......................oh wait, that started after the first away game of the season!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 10:42:05 GMT
Last season I'd have to describe myself as a passive tinter who thought all would be well come the end.I don't think there were anywhere near enough fans who wanted ward out at Xmas time,certainly not enough to vocally put the amount of pressure on the bod to make them consider it anyway.personal marks for me 4/10,read the situation wrong and unlike the bod I take my share of the blame for that.one thing I would like to ask JW is why the hell did you abandon the 4-5-1 after the daggers game,when it had been working well and we'd been on our best run of form all season.All the alleged behind the scene malarkey seemed to stem from then onwards so was that change of formation the key factor in our eventual demise.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 13:19:00 GMT
Ok, so we have all been calling for the Board to hold a review following the debacle of last season. This led me to wonder about my own season as a fan. Do I regret supporting Ward for as long as I did? Did I wish for DC too soon? (I still wonder if JW would have got more points than DC). Could I have been to more games than I did? Should I have been more vocal towards the Board at Xmas? For me, if I am really honest with myself, it was that I really didn't think we'd get relegated. I was complacent and allowed things to just take their course in the belief it would come good. In some ways, although the "negs" on the OF were eventually proved right I wonder too if they regret their approach? The forum became very polarized and the more damning the criticism, the more the tinters refused to even listen. Could both sides have done more to listen and found more positive ways to engage? I don't want this to degenerate into an argument. I am just genuinely interested in what we think WE have learned? Its not the fans fault, many of those "blue tinters" so to speak are our lifeblood and many of the "board bashers" had good intentions. We could not have given more at games this season and it is not our fault. |
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Post by Hugo Admin on Jun 20, 2014 13:23:55 GMT
I could have gone to more games.
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Post by markczgas on Jun 20, 2014 21:38:01 GMT
Sorry for the pessimism NO sorry realism but our club is in massive decline and is set to continue - particularly if nothing meaningful comes out of the so-called Inernal Review and the club doesn't try to engage with all its fanbase. Our average attendance was even higher than the season before - so don't blame yourself about it. Try and think of the bigger picture.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2014 22:11:02 GMT
Sorry for the pessimism NO sorry realism but our club is in massive decline and is set to continue - particularly if nothing meaningful comes out of the so-called Inernal Review and the club doesn't try to engage with all its fanbase. Our average attendance was even higher than the season before - so don't blame yourself about it. Try and think of the bigger picture. Spot on |
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Post by mehewmagic on Jun 21, 2014 11:38:50 GMT
No. The fans could easily have turned on the players at any point from the Torquay home game. The fact that we stuck together and turned up in numbers only highlights that we could see what was happening - something the directors didn't despite sitting in the same grounds each week! Perhaps, we could have had a moan earlier and protested at the negative football, the lack of away wins and the lack of strikers......................oh wait, that started after the first away game of the season! good points! we still turned up. we even still went away in huge numbers despite one of the most embarassing away records in the country. bottom line is that the fans are NEVER to blame. I did quite a few stats about our away record on the old OF, and also the stats about our average position by New Years' Eve, and both should have suggested that JW should have gone far earlier. the problem was, and I also did some analysis on that, was that (unlike under McGhee) we rarely got tonked, which meant there was always a decent excuse for most of the away results. This is exactly why you need to sit back at new Year and look that the half season as a whole, rather than the excuses for each game. I always supported JW as a man but his tactics and his stubborness were poor. To now find out he had apparently (and clearly) said he didn't want to manage the whole season is a shocking indictment of how our club is run! |
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Post by mehewmagic on Jun 21, 2014 11:40:09 GMT
I could have gone to more games. I should have gone to less games, and I didn't even go to the majority . they made me bloody depressed.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 12:44:26 GMT
No. The fans could easily have turned on the players at any point from the Torquay home game. The fact that we stuck together and turned up in numbers only highlights that we could see what was happening - something the directors didn't despite sitting in the same grounds each week! Perhaps, we could have had a moan earlier and protested at the negative football, the lack of away wins and the lack of strikers......................oh wait, that started after the first away game of the season! good points! we still turned up. we even still went away in huge numbers despite one of the most embarassing away records in the country. bottom line is that the fans are NEVER to blame. I did quite a few stats about our away record on the old OF, and also the stats about our average position by New Years' Eve, and both should have suggested that JW should have gone far earlier. the problem was, and I also did some analysis on that, was that (unlike under McGhee) we rarely got tonked, which meant there was always a decent excuse for most of the away results. This is exactly why you need to sit back at new Year and look that the half season as a whole, rather than the excuses for each game. I always supported JW as a man but his tactics and his stubborness were poor. To now find out he had apparently (and clearly) said he didn't want to manage the whole season is a shocking indictment of how our club is run! I agree, the board should have replaced Ward at the end of the previous season with someone whose heart was in it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 15:08:30 GMT
If you were at the funday last year then you would have seen Ward was very much into it. I don't buy the crap that has been said and we all know the programme notes were Wards when DC took over
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 20:17:02 GMT
If you were at the funday last year then you would have seen Ward was very much into it. I don't buy the crap that has been said and we all know the programme notes were Wards when DC took over Whatever DC thinks about Ward, if he stayed as manager we would still be in the league. Bored stupid and moaning like anything but still in the league. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2014 22:00:03 GMT
If you were at the funday last year then you would have seen Ward was very much into it. I don't buy the crap that has been said and we all know the programme notes were Wards when DC took over Whatever DC thinks about Ward, if he stayed as manager we would still be in the league. Bored stupid and moaning like anything but still in the league. All indications pointed to certain relegation under jw's stewardship, performances nosedived alarmingly after the first half of the dagenham game with the capitulations at Hartlepool and Fleetwood and the alleged dressing room unrest surfacing at the worst time possible.The Southend game was the convincer for me,no way would we have scored enough goals to stay up playing that kind of sh**e hoofball.Mr Clarke probably went in too heavy handed (Parkes in particular) but without some attempt to get the players by the scruff of the neck verbally and give them a bloody good shaking then all was lost anyway imo. |
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Post by Hugo Admin on Jun 21, 2014 22:02:27 GMT
I agree with this m.c.c
It was like cutting the arm off to save tge body from some dreadful disease but losing the battle to sepsis. We were only going one way.
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Post by markczgas on Jun 22, 2014 20:36:57 GMT
Whatever DC thinks about Ward, if he stayed as manager we would still be in the league. Bored stupid and moaning like anything but still in the league. All indications pointed to certain relegation under jw's stewardship, performances nosedived alarmingly after the first half of the dagenham game with the capitulations at Hartlepool and Fleetwood and the alleged dressing room unrest surfacing at the worst time possible.The Southend game was the convincer for me,no way would we have scored enough goals to stay up playing that kind of sh*** hoofball.Mr Clarke probably went in too heavy handed (Parkes in particular) but without some attempt to get the players by the scruff of the neck verbally and give them a bloody good shaking then all was lost anyway imo. Unfortunately, we had more sh** hoofball under Clarke, or do you not remember that !? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2014 21:07:04 GMT
Ward or Clarke, it's all blah. The crime was making the change the day after the transfer window closed. Wtf is that about?
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Post by Big Dave on Jun 22, 2014 21:16:43 GMT
Ward or Clarke, it's all blah. The crime was making the change the day after the transfer window closed. Wtf is that about? Agreed, or at very least not signing the player(s) we needed under JW whilst it was open... |
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