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Post by pirate49 on Jun 23, 2014 13:12:59 GMT
Let's be explicit. The Supporters' Club does what it does well.
Our beef is solely with the directors. The evidence is irrefutable;
they have managed this club poorly.
We were in L1, now we're in the Conference.
Rather like a Venn diagram the overlap is that the SC has 2 directors.
To repeat, the target of our 'protest' is the directors. We don't necessarily
want them removed; just do their job better, admit where they need strengthening
in skill set, and communicate better with the fans.
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Post by pirate49 on Jun 23, 2014 13:13:50 GMT
Just repeated myself to emphasize the point!!  |
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Post by markczgas on Jun 23, 2014 13:14:54 GMT
Threatening boycotts of home games says to me you don't care about the club. We lose enough money as it is. So sadly as this is part of the agenda, I hope you fail miserably. The obvious answer, is to change the outlook of the S/C if that floats your boat. So join up, and try to persuade them to be more strident in their dealings with the club. Who said boycott of games ? |
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Post by lockleazer on Jun 23, 2014 13:18:19 GMT
the group who are meeting at the welly need to join forces with the people setting up BRISA theindependent supporters associtaion and form 1 group ... the aims are the same but the BRISA are ready to launch witha clear structure and have the legailittes all sorted already ..2 groups wont work.. unify the fan base ... something the club will never manage to do or seem to want to do... the board are laqughing if 2 groupsw go ahead and fight each other... you try the SC but as was shown its hard work like when i belive Ken Masters was seemingly going to be replaced all of a sudden record votes were placed and Ken got over 700 votes from somewhere... good luck with trying to overthrow the SC reps ... but independance is the way forward IMHO I'm not sure I agree wih the way BRISA want to handle things... But I do however agree with this group. i've not really noticed any difference , the aims appear to be the same ...BRISA have set some aims/princples and a membership scheme means you have a firm database and offical numbers of members and the ability to use a offical vote on matters at hand .... as i say i think the aims are the same you have a group of people with great passion to better the club and bring the fans back closer to the club... surely better to work together as 1 than divide again? what do you belive is the differences between the 2 ? |
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Post by markczgas on Jun 23, 2014 13:21:55 GMT
It's great to see so many supporters getting involved in this thread and you are also more than welcome to come on July 1st. Not everyone will agree with everything that is decided but if they can agree with most things voted on then that is a consensus.
It's easy to just accept things and say it will get better but surely we need to see details, explanations, answers and dare I say it changes (fresh faces and ideas) coming from the leadership of our club. How long can we teeter from one disastrous season to another ??
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Post by fanboy on Jun 23, 2014 13:26:12 GMT
I'm not sure I agree wih the way BRISA want to handle things... But I do however agree with this group. i've not really noticed any difference , the aims appear to be the same ...BRISA have set some aims/princples and a membership scheme means you have a firm database and offical numbers of members and the ability to use a offical vote on matters at hand .... as i say i think the aims are the same you have a group of people with great passion to better the club and bring the fans back closer to the club... surely better to work together as 1 than divide again? what do you belive is the differences between the 2 ? The main difference being the people running them. Ive got faith in those involved with the untitled group. I've seen the way some of those in BRISA speak and it's not for me, I'm afraid. I've seen Mark around the old forum and this one and I think he speaks a lot of sense. It's all a matter of opinion but the way I believe this will be handled suits my way. |
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Post by peterparker on Jun 23, 2014 13:33:33 GMT
the group who are meeting at the welly need to join forces with the people setting up BRISA theindependent supporters associtaion and form 1 group ... the aims are the same but the BRISA are ready to launch witha clear structure and have the legailittes all sorted already ..2 groups wont work.. unify the fan base ... something the club will never manage to do or seem to want to do... the board are laqughing if 2 groupsw go ahead and fight each other... you try the SC but as was shown its hard work like when i belive Ken Masters was seemingly going to be replaced all of a sudden record votes were placed and Ken got over 700 votes from somewhere... good luck with trying to overthrow the SC reps ... but independance is the way forward IMHO I'm not sure I agree wih the way BRISA want to handle things... But I do however agree with this group. What dont you agree with? BRISA havent launched and have set out no agenda or objective other than to be a fan led group |
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Post by fanboy on Jun 23, 2014 13:51:47 GMT
I'm not sure I agree wih the way BRISA want to handle things... But I do however agree with this group. What dont you agree with? BRISA havent launched and have set out no agenda or objective other than to be a fan led group My reason for not wanting to be a part of BRISA are pretty much the same reasons I use GasChat and not the AF. It's just my personal preference. |
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Post by lockleazer on Jun 23, 2014 13:56:41 GMT
i've not really noticed any difference , the aims appear to be the same ...BRISA have set some aims/princples and a membership scheme means you have a firm database and offical numbers of members and the ability to use a offical vote on matters at hand .... as i say i think the aims are the same you have a group of people with great passion to better the club and bring the fans back closer to the club... surely better to work together as 1 than divide again? what do you belive is the differences between the 2 ? The main difference being the people running them. Ive got faith in those involved with the untitled group. I've seen the way some of those in BRISA speak and it's not for me, I'm afraid. I've seen Mark around the old forum and this one and I think he speaks a lot of sense. It's all a matter of opinion but the way I believe this will be handled suits my way. like you say personal preference but who exactly do you not trust in the running of BRISA ? what has been said that you dont agree with... its interseting as ive not noticed any differencebe tween the 2 ? |
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Post by peterparker on Jun 23, 2014 14:11:24 GMT
What dont you agree with? BRISA havent launched and have set out no agenda or objective other than to be a fan led group My reason for not wanting to be a part of BRISA are pretty much the same reasons I use GasChat and not the AF. It's just my personal preference. That doesnt answer the question really. As BRISA havent launched. I am not sure what there is for anyone to not agree woth or have a preference on. Mark and co have managed to get people together and i hope to get along on the 1st to share some of my own thoughts.. i am also interested in the longer term aims should they get the answers they seek. Is that it until the next "problem" or is it going to hang around I know there has been some dialogue between the two and it kind of makes sense to come together. One group has done the formal work, and one has got the bodies together and tapped into the fans. It makes some sense to utilise that talent pool, but that is up to those in charge of both groups |
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Post by Mancgas has left the building on Jun 23, 2014 14:35:30 GMT
Not sure I agree changing BRSC is the only alternative, and certainly not the best, if indeed it is possible.
Surely the main role of any official supporters club is to support the club, name sort of gives it away.
I do believe though that linking the Share scheme to the Supporters club is a mistake and means any challenge is watered down by the aim of a supporters club, ie to raise cash and organise away travel.
CHallenge is needed and the independent groups springing up need time to organise, consider, get message (hopefully one message) straight and then go for members who want to change things through things a supporters club could never do, whilst being a support for the club.
Otherwise it will be Black and Gold mk2, mk3 mk # (insert number here)
Black and Gold had energy, good people with right aims, and failed because it wasnt thought through from sperm to worm and therefore didt gain enough of the day to day fans support. Its not just about raising the probelsm, its about having a credible vision for an alternative way of addressing them, and a realistic approach. Just shouting we dont like things will be doomed I'm afraid to say
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 14:41:31 GMT
My reason for not wanting to be a part of BRISA are pretty much the same reasons I use GasChat and not the AF. It's just my personal preference. That doesnt answer the question really. As BRISA havent launched. I am not sure what there is for anyone to not agree woth or have a preference on. Mark and co have managed to get people together and i hope to get along on the 1st to share some of my own thoughts.. i am also interested in the longer term aims should they get the answers they seek. Is that it until the next "problem" or is it going to hang around I know there has been some dialogue between the two and it kind of makes sense to come together. One group has done the formal work, and one has got the bodies together and tapped into the fans. It makes some sense to utilise that talent pool, but that is up to those in charge of both groups There is only one way to decide which group is the best our of BRISA and untitled rabble .... Fight !!!!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 14:43:23 GMT
Not sure I agree changing BRSC is the only alternative, and certainly not the best, if indeed it is possible. Surely the main role of any official supporters club is to support the club, name sort of gives it away. I do believe though that linking the Share scheme to the Supporters club is a mistake and means any challenge is watered down by the aim of a supporters club, ie to raise cash and organise away travel. CHallenge is needed and the independent groups springing up need time to organise, consider, get message (hopefully one message) straight and then go for members who want to change things through things a supporters club could never do, whilst being a support for the club. Otherwise it will be Black and Gold mk2, mk3 mk # (insert number here) Black and Gold had energy, good people with right aims, and failed because it wasnt thought through from sperm to worm and therefore didt gain enough of the day to day fans support. Its not just about raising the probelsm, its about having a credible vision for an alternative way of addressing them, and a realistic approach. Just shouting we dont like things will be doomed I'm afraid to say I love the idea of an Independant supporters club but like every other decent idea it will be let down by apathy |
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Post by fanboy on Jun 23, 2014 14:48:23 GMT
Not sure I agree changing BRSC is the only alternative, and certainly not the best, if indeed it is possible. Surely the main role of any official supporters club is to support the club, name sort of gives it away. I do believe though that linking the Share scheme to the Supporters club is a mistake and means any challenge is watered down by the aim of a supporters club, ie to raise cash and organise away travel. CHallenge is needed and the independent groups springing up need time to organise, consider, get message (hopefully one message) straight and then go for members who want to change things through things a supporters club could never do, whilst being a support for the club. Otherwise it will be Black and Gold mk2, mk3 mk # (insert number here) Black and Gold had energy, good people with right aims, and failed because it wasnt thought through from sperm to worm and therefore didt gain enough of the day to day fans support. Its not just about raising the probelsm, its about having a credible vision for an alternative way of addressing them, and a realistic approach. Just shouting we dont like things will be doomed I'm afraid to say My biggest gripe with Black and Gold was that they used those colours. Our away kit was that colour scheme that season, rending it totally useless as many wore black and gold casually ... Not powerful enough! I like the idea of the protest by turning backs on the pitch. No abusive chants. Supporting the team... But just for one minute show the board we are hurt by their actions. I believe it's on the minute that Mansfield scored which is a good idea imo. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 15:35:34 GMT
I've always thought of the Supporters Club as being a club for the supporters of Bristol Rovers, rather than a club to blindly follow/support the directors, down whichever path they chose to take us.
With regard to the two new groups - I think that they both have their merits, and it's good to know that the movers and shakers behind each group are communicating with each other. Out of little acorns, and all that!
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Post by malmersgas on Jun 23, 2014 15:40:08 GMT
I`m completely split down the middle with this.
One the one hand, totally agree that something needs to happen/make them take notice.
On the other, I`ve never been a fan of protest groups and the like. My own feeling is that maybe, we should be patient for just a little while longer, and if say in two months there has been nothing, then maybe come up with a way to make them take notice - maybe not boycotting games though.
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Post by Hugo Admin on Jun 23, 2014 15:56:35 GMT
Interesting read. My personal preference would be that no form of protest is made when any of the players are on the pitch. I think that is important for morale and fan-player respect. After all, this will be a mostly new group who are making a fresh start for us and who will have had very little to do with our current predicament. I understand the logistics of this may be difficult.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 16:50:53 GMT
Not sure I agree changing BRSC is the only alternative, and certainly not the best, if indeed it is possible. Surely the main role of any official supporters club is to support the club, name sort of gives it away. I do believe though that linking the Share scheme to the Supporters club is a mistake and means any challenge is watered down by the aim of a supporters club, ie to raise cash and organise away travel. CHallenge is needed and the independent groups springing up need time to organise, consider, get message (hopefully one message) straight and then go for members who want to change things through things a supporters club could never do, whilst being a support for the club. Otherwise it will be Black and Gold mk2, mk3 mk # (insert number here) Black and Gold had energy, good people with right aims, and failed because it wasnt thought through from sperm to worm and therefore didt gain enough of the day to day fans support. Its not just about raising the probelsm, its about having a credible vision for an alternative way of addressing them, and a realistic approach. Just shouting we dont like things will be doomed I'm afraid to say I love the idea of an Independant supporters club but like every other decent idea it will be let down by apathy Or infighting. There are obviously preferences made here at a personal level and it's a shame that there has been some daft stuff said already. water up and brewery. There is hostility by many on gaschat as Gasheads is seen as purely anti board yet it is not the case. I have yet to feel any such hostility in the other direction. This is not a competition between forums people. If there is to be any success in a tangible attempt to engage with a board who are openly hostile to the very idea, it will mean putting aside any perceived differences. Just reading this thread shows how quickly some can misread the piece in the paper. We need to make a concerted effort to stand united in our aims and that will mean standing together and not arguing over semantics. I think it can be done. |
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Post by markczgas on Jun 23, 2014 17:06:15 GMT
Interesting read. My personal preference would be that no form of protest is made when any of the players are on the pitch. I think that is important for morale and fan-player respect. After all, this will be a mostly new group who are making a fresh start for us and who will have had very little to do with our current predicament. I understand the logistics of this may be difficult. Ras, you've got to think how has this group been put together, by whom, what is the long term strategy(if any), how were they recruited, are the squad players getting games to challenge the first teamers, is the physio up to his job etc etc - this should all have come out of the Internal Review !!! But where is it ?? If it's just support the boys in blue and white for the nth season repeating everything as before then what's going to happen ................................ |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2014 18:00:10 GMT
I love the idea of an Independant supporters club but like every other decent idea it will be let down by apathy Or infighting. There are obviously preferences made here at a personal level and it's a shame that there has been some daft stuff said already. water up and brewery. There is hostility by many on gaschat as Gasheads is seen as purely anti board yet it is not the case. I have yet to feel any such hostility in the other direction. This is not a competition between forums people. If there is to be any success in a tangible attempt to engage with a board who are openly hostile to the very idea, it will mean putting aside any perceived differences. Just reading this thread shows how quickly some can misread the piece in the paper. We need to make a concerted effort to stand united in our aims and that will mean standing together and not arguing over semantics. I think it can be done. Sorry KP, I fail to see any hostility here, just open debate. One poster mentioned a personal preference to the Unnamed group over BRISA and likened it to having a forum preference. No one has said anything negative at all about either forum on this thread. Please don't make problems where there were not any. Both forums can co-exist quite happily and many people use both. This is about how people feel is the right way to improve the water poor state we find ourselves in, not what forum we like. I would add though, that any group is going to be seen as divisive and will cause splits and infighting. No matter how good the intentions of the people or how hard they work. And no matter what their aims and objectives are. You only have to look at the SC. To some they are brilliant. They help fans to away games, the organize the 50/50, they have fans directors on the board they work hard, love the club and want whats best for BRFC. how great is that?! To others they are rose tinted suck ups who roll over so the BOD can tickle their tummy. I don't have the answers. |
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