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Post by phillistine on Jul 16, 2015 10:12:05 GMT
right now I just want to know how the current BoD intend to pay back Wonga by the end of the year? You'll probably never find out the answer. The only answers Higgs gives are either to pre-staged questions via the BRFC site or completely bollocks.
that wasnt the impression i got last evening at Mangotsfield. Were you there?
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Post by parsonstgas on Jul 16, 2015 10:29:28 GMT
You'll probably never find out the answer. The only answers Higgs gives are either to pre-staged questions via the BRFC site or completely bollocks.
that wasnt the impression i got last evening at Mangotsfield. Were you there? Yes I was there, not sure what you mean mate? Was Higgs there answering questions?.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 11:04:19 GMT
Why don't we try the gofunder /justgiving idea? If we contacted Scott Sinclair, Ricky Lambert, Jason Roberst etc I would expect a few donations. Bruce Bannister is very wealthy and we try the wider footballing world, Beckham, Ferguson, Linekar etc. Surely no harm in trying and at least it woudl bring the club more attention to possible backers?. Why not ask Oscar if he would donate £1 of his pocket money for us, that would be a great story and may lead to teh decnt reds to do the same? Why donlt the journalists who write the ad hoc peices to the Bristol Post write an article to the nationals and donate their fee to the cause? Individually we dontl have enough money to make a difference. Like previous posts have said there is too much apathy and only a few people would want to get actively involved. The first thing is that we have to try and cover each years losses. (Between £300,000 and £500,00?). We can't rely on sell on clauses or the club making to the second round of the league cup or players taking pay cuts. We are Bristol Rovers so agents automatically add on an extra 5% or 10% as we are perceived to be a BIG club. Therefore, we have to collectively try and get more revenue. There are hundreds of ways of doing this. Bring a friend , workmate, classmate neighbour etc to a game, but a new shirt, a programe, the end of season DVD's, drink at the Mem not alledgely Trash supporting venues, travel by by SC coach not British rail, join Helpline, sell 5 more Xmas raffle tickets etc and this will help. £500,000 between 6,000 fans for 25 home games a season works out a £3.33 each extra per game. Thats about one pint or one programme!. People have offered to donate £1000. I don't think we have reached the need for bucket collections just yet, so why not spend that £1000 at Pirate Lesiure, the bars, player sponsorship and hospitality? didn't give the teds a penny when they were doing bucket collections in 82, so not sure why they would want to help us?
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Post by mehewmagic on Jul 16, 2015 11:16:32 GMT
We are all too busy fighting with each other to ever get our sh** together enough to make a difference. We couldn't organize 2 cakes on a plate. What ever happened to our togetherness? we aren't fighting each other. we aren't we aren't we aren't we aren't we aren't we aren't we aren't we aren't we aren't we aren't we aren't we aren't we just hate you
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Post by mehewmagic on Jul 16, 2015 11:38:02 GMT
fair play to anyone who is interested in such an idea and it is something that I'd be interested in in the future.
BUT at the moment it is too much of a 'back of a fag packet' IMO. Talking about about it before anyone has bothered to do any research on it makes it look very amateurish and can put people off.
And the examples given need be seriously researched rather than bandied around.
Newport aren't run by supporters. A EuroMillions winner took control of it for a few years and is now trying to sell it. Supporters are interested.
Blackpool aren't run by supporters. A well known problem exists there and supporters would love to force them out.
Pompey is a bizarre case, as they seem to be stuck in the old days of over-paying players and being a 'soft touch'. They don't seem to fill people with financial confidence.
As others have mentioned, most supporter-run clubs occur because the Board are desperate to get rid of it / in administration / don't own the ground etc.
Better to look at Exeter, Wimbledon, Wrexham and Wycombe and see how they did it, and now run it.
Mark - please don't take this too personally but as someone who has been SO critical of BRFC in recent years, and potentially slightly blinkered by it, do you think you as a 'leader' will get the sort of support or type of support that this idea maybe deserves?
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Post by mehewmagic on Jul 16, 2015 11:53:05 GMT
Why don't we try the gofunder /justgiving idea? ...Why donlt the journalists who write the ad hoc peices to the Bristol Post write an article to the nationals and donate their fee to the cause? sorry, not trying to pick this to pieces, but have to give some info on this. If you mean Nick, me and Sean, none of us get paid for articles on BEP, and I very much doubt any of us would get paid for articles written for our own purpose and sent elsewhere. BTW - I'm not a journalist. Never have been, and never will be.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Jul 16, 2015 13:10:58 GMT
I see Blackpool fans are trying to buy the club for £16M, not sure Rovers will be that high, half maybe? Here is the problem, as I see it. The Mem is worth around £15m, as that is the price it could be sold for housing. The club has debt of several £m, not our fault. But those who watered it away need it to be paid back, however unfair that may be. So, £20m... any takers?
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Post by Centenary Gas on Jul 16, 2015 13:12:02 GMT
What a hair-brained idea! Obviously fed up with blaming Higgs, who are you going to blame when this goes down the plug hole as it surely will. All the same people moaned at the Dunsfords but they saved this wonderful club from oblivion. Now it's Higgs and co! 100% backing from everyone is what we need not a bunch of whingers. So the board aren't to blame for sending us £millions in debt?
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Post by Centenary Gas on Jul 16, 2015 13:14:22 GMT
Getting rid of the only people stopping us going under, no matter how incompetent, isn't the smartest thing to do right now. This is my issue. They are the only people stopping us going under because of the debts they have run up. We don't need to run at -£500k+ every season. I accept the 'bad lucky Nick' on the stadium, but how much has it cost the club? It's pretty simple. This year our income should be approximately X. Don't spend X+£500k.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 13:27:18 GMT
I see Blackpool fans are trying to buy the club for £16M, not sure Rovers will be that high, half maybe? Here is the problem, as I see it. The Mem is worth around £15m, as that is the price it could be sold for housing. The club has debt of several £m, not our fault. But those who watered it away need it to be paid back, however unfair that may be. So, £20m... any takers? Wrong. When a business is bought the current owners can't expect repayment for their c0ck ups. The value of the Mem will only be realised if it were asset stripped so it is worth far less than £15m to a buyer who has the future of the club at heart. Edit. Mods please allow C0ck ups to be typed as its required quite often with this club.
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Post by markczgas on Jul 16, 2015 19:10:18 GMT
Mark, you are an honourable man but like others I sense this is doomed to fail. Even if a loyal band of supporters could raise the capital to buy out the current directors. How would this supporters trust afford the day to day costs of running a football club? We need to fill the ground every game to actually make any money, history shows that will be difficult in itself. I am prepared to hold my nerve and see what happens, I will support the team as I have always done. Phil Hi Phil, Maybe it could be a combination of investors and supporters ( together enough financial clout ), I don't know. Who knows until we get going ! I intend supporting the team as I have always and it says this in my thread opener
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Post by markczgas on Jul 16, 2015 20:29:36 GMT
Evening All,
Anyone else interested in coming to a meeting SOON ?
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Post by pucklegas on Jul 16, 2015 20:46:43 GMT
Thanks to everyone who have responded with some sensible comments. We should wait for others who haven't read it to chip in. I'm under no illusions what this is all about. I would ask anyone who is interested or think they are in looking into this to pm me over the next few days. I think initially the aim would be to get together with the aim of finding out what would be required to push forward and establish a steering group. Cheers, Mark If we had 2000 fans with life long debenture tickets for 10k that would raise 20 million, I would be in, as long as it could be transferable to my son.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jul 16, 2015 20:47:43 GMT
Mark, you are an honourable man but like others I sense this is doomed to fail. Even if a loyal band of supporters could raise the capital to buy out the current directors. How would this supporters trust afford the day to day costs of running a football club? We need to fill the ground every game to actually make any money, history shows that will be difficult in itself. I am prepared to hold my nerve and see what happens, I will support the team as I have always done. Phil Hi Phil, Maybe it could be a combination of investors and supporters ( together enough financial clout ), I don't know. Who knows until we get going ! I intend supporting the team as I have always and it says this in my thread opener Surely we need some investors on board to get this off the ground, unfortunately there don't seem to be any? The only way fans will take over the club is if it goes into administration, as otherwise NH & co are not going to walk away unless their £5m "investment" is repaid plus they might also not want to give away real estate worth £10m/15m. Even if fans took over the club what is the plan then, raise millions to redeveloped the Mem or even more to build the UWE?
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Post by markczgas on Jul 17, 2015 11:11:19 GMT
Hi Phil, Maybe it could be a combination of investors and supporters ( together enough financial clout ), I don't know. Who knows until we get going ! I intend supporting the team as I have always and it says this in my thread opener Surely we need some investors on board to get this off the ground, unfortunately there don't seem to be any? The only way fans will take over the club is if it goes into administration, as otherwise NH & co are not going to walk away unless their £5m "investment" is repaid plus they might also not want to give away real estate worth £10m/15m. Even if fans took over the club what is the plan then, raise millions to redeveloped the Mem or even more to build the UWE? One little step after another ......... come along ...... we can all be investors.
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Post by baggins on Jul 17, 2015 11:24:49 GMT
A wonderfully romantic thought, but will never happen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 11:26:51 GMT
A wonderfully romantic thought, but will never happen. Romantic? I understand now why you cannot find a young lady.
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Post by baggins on Jul 17, 2015 11:28:50 GMT
A wonderfully romantic thought, but will never happen. Romantic? I understand now why you cannot find a young lady. Morning honey, thought I'd buy you a football club for Valentines. Now brace yourself. What's not romantic about that?
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Post by mehewmagic on Jul 17, 2015 13:49:19 GMT
Here is the problem, as I see it. The Mem is worth around £15m, as that is the price it could be sold for housing. The club has debt of several £m, not our fault. But those who watered it away need it to be paid back, however unfair that may be. So, £20m... any takers? Wrong. When a business is bought the current owners can't expect repayment for their c0ck ups. The value of the Mem will only be realised if it were asset stripped so it is worth far less than £15m to a buyer who has the future of the club at heart. Edit. Mods please allow C0ck ups to be typed as its required quite often with this club. i can see what you're getting at. I always think of it as a farmer who has little money so sells his land. Is a farmer without a farm still a farmer?
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Post by baggins on Jul 17, 2015 14:04:41 GMT
Wrong. When a business is bought the current owners can't expect repayment for their c0ck ups. The value of the Mem will only be realised if it were asset stripped so it is worth far less than £15m to a buyer who has the future of the club at heart. Edit. Mods please allow C0ck ups to be typed as its required quite often with this club. i can see what you're getting at. I always think of it as a farmer who has little money so sells his land. Is a farmer without a farm still a farmer? Nope. He's just a chap in wellies with nothing to do all day.
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