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Post by Gastroenteritis on Sept 22, 2015 21:35:21 GMT
ok so maybe you should have read my other posts before banging the Mr nasty drum. Il post this one for you in the hope that might read my others and actually understand what was getting at, instead of trying police my manners, to which you have failed. I am an il mannered menice so doooo one!! For the record when I say public domain I mean when info is leaked not necessarily all over the Internet. Leaked info can still be hard to get hold of, hence why I'm so interested in this thread. Gas Go Marching In said: Gastroenteritis said:at the end of the day whether this rumour is true or not there are certain people on this forum who like to divulge slight bits of information to make themselves feel like they are part of a clique 'in the know' and seem to get off on watching other people speculate. I bet they are behind the computer wank1ng themselves off at the thought of other people not knowing the information that they do. why don't they just grow up and tell us what they know because if they know something then the information is already in the public domain. Find this disrespectful to be honest especially seeing as the main culprit on this occasion has done a lot for this wonderful club of ours helping set up the FFS etc. He didn't have to tell us as much as he has and I'm sure he feels slightly guilty even if he thought it was the right thing to do at saying as much as he has. how is it disrespectful, I have observed this kind of posting on this forum and the old one many times before with the same outcome, People left completely guessing. However I will retract my above statement in view of JTS?? but my point is if you are privy to info that others are not allowed then just don't say anything at all.  hey I don't know you but I have heard of the work you do hence why I retracted the above statement. So il will ask you directly why can you only divilge bits of what you know? Surely if it has been leaked to to yourself then why can't you not tell all? |
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Post by Topper Gas on Sept 22, 2015 21:40:58 GMT
Unless your just a WUM even you have to admit this will have been one hell of a wind up by either JTS, or his source, if it all turns out to be nonsense? You have said Nick Higgs position is untenable, just show us how! Are you going by rumors on a internet forum? Look at the tweets on @jamesmcnarma it seems pretty clear to me now this more than just a forum rumour. As far as NH position being untenable I was just agreeing with the post that if he's received a genuine offer to invest £40m in building the UWE etc and turns it down just because he wants a bigger one pay then is position must be untenable. |
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Post by Gastroenteritis on Sept 22, 2015 21:41:10 GMT
So you think NH would want £22m for an asset worth at most £12m. Who does he think the consortium are, Sainsburys?
He won't get a deal like that anywhere. But more to the point he wont see a stadium built to its original spec either. So if he plays hardball, it can only be because he either loves the kudos of being chairman of a football league club, or he does want more money. Why would a so called Gashead hold out for ridiculous money if he loves the club? If you find out let everyone else know. It beggars belief. Unfortunately NH and reality aren't always that close. As you mention just look at the Sainsburys shambles. My comments are purely based on guess work and my opinion based on his previous actions. I'd love to be wrong and that this is all true, we be get a new stadium, new owners, good investment and a well ran club. I think we'll all been patient enough. if we are honest here, could you blame him for wanting to get some of his money back if he does? Love the club or not money talks. For all we know his demands (if there are any) may include himself taking a financial haircut. |
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Post by LJG on Sept 22, 2015 21:45:39 GMT
The forums have gone clucking mental in the last 72 hours.
On Saturday a nice well-meaning bloke starts a rumour on the Internet; off the back of that Higgs is supposed to walk away from the club on the Wednesday morning and fellow gasheads are completely trashed left right and centre for passing on information they've received.
No wonder we're a laughing stock.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Sept 22, 2015 21:45:59 GMT
No offence taken by me mate we are what we are i even respect your thoughts - but just to clarify - i am not "behind the computer wank1ng myself off" How could i? - i've got Karen Brady round for tea! hey I don't know you but I have heard of the work you do hence why I retracted the above statement. So il will ask you directly why can you only divilge bits of what you know? Surely if it has been leaked to to yourself then why can't you not tell all? No worries here's a copy of the post i made in reply to someone earlier - what i will add is i apologise to those who may disagree or have been offended - UTG Hi Old gas i have total respect and understanding for your posts therefore i shall respond with respect and understanding- firstly my 'rumour' is fact to the best of my knowledge - i think some people may be seeing this purely as an attack on our chairman by myself and this is not true - my motive if any was to 'out' the story cause if i know it Others must do too and why shouldn't everyone know? - plus try to get either the club or the consortium to 'show their hand' cause like everyone else i would like more and fuller confirmed details of whats happening
"Why don't i post the full facts?" Well sadly i don't have them all is the truth so as you are right to point out i'm posting half a story which must appear annoying but i took the decision to let people know half the facts cause i thought it was better than nothing at all and hopefully as i said before pressure will build on both parties to say something and then i can shut the feck up and we'll all be happy! of course time will tell if i was right or wrong to do so and i have to live with that - just thought i tried to clarify ok mate - absolutely no malice meant to anyone including our BoD and i really have no reason or need for attention seeking -UTG |
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Post by r0che11e on Sept 22, 2015 21:53:01 GMT
It is totally unrealistic for Higgs to carry on. Everyone can see how he has destroyed the club with hie egotistical and selfish ways. If it is possible to pay him off then we must. There is a great future for the club if he goes. If he does not. I fear administration will be calling on our door. The debts he has incurred for us are ridiculous , and yet he continues to borrow money, not his money but borrowed high interest money. He may have run a business, but he has no idea how to run a football club. The losers are the team that DC has put together and the tremendous fans we have.Shame on you Higgs, please GO. UTG
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Post by rambo on Sept 22, 2015 21:56:25 GMT
Unless your just a WUM even you have to admit this will have been one hell of a wind up by either JTS, or his source, if it all turns out to be nonsense? You have said Nick Higgs position is untenable, just show us how! Are you going by rumors on a internet forum? Not sure if you're on a wind up and worth replying to or not but I thought i would anyway. Every single person, bar about 3, on this thread has been speculating wildly. Lots of possibilities thrown out there, some will be close to the mark i have no doubt - others will be way off the mark. But they're, in the whole, genuine opinions from genuine gasheads. These rumours, speculations, guesses etc are being spoken at length about as it is a genuinely exciting and interesting prospect and something to chat about other than the contents of forum members' flasks, whether Mattee's penalties should count, or whether Rich should start his bloody bus up in the morning. This will lead to every single one of us having an opinion, and this forum is a perfect platform to voice this opinion. Now, clearly you want facts and concrete evidence before making any assumptions - that is fine. But surely you can see that there is a huge sense of optimism at the moment about this. And if what many rumours are suggesting to be true are indeed true, and a good, legitimate offer has been put on the table to buy BRFC out and build our future then we as fans are inevitably going to be heavily in favour of this. IF what has also been suggested that NH is refusing to listen to this offer is true, then that is going to cause a major problem as any respect and credibility the man had left from the fans will be gone. He will be putting his own interests first and halting the progress of this club. I am not for a second saying the above is true, but that is the feeling I think a lot are getting from the snippets we have been fed. If the above situation occurs, we will have the most hated chairman in history and a divide between board and fans like never before, especially if we end up with a 1/3 owned stadium and limited progression for the forseeable future. That position would perhaps not be completely untenable, but it sure as hell would be truly unhealthy and something, somewhere would have to give I am sure. I think that's what Topper is probably getting at although i'm sure I haven't explained it too well. Again, not saying any of this is true or false as I haven't a clue! But if the situation is as a lot seem to think it is, NH is going to find himself in an incredibly sticky situation when this all comes out in the wash sooner or later. |
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Post by Gastroenteritis on Sept 22, 2015 22:07:01 GMT
hey I don't know you but I have heard of the work you do hence why I retracted the above statement. So il will ask you directly why can you only divilge bits of what you know? Surely if it has been leaked to to yourself then why can't you not tell all? No worries here's a copy of the post i made in reply to someone earlier - what i will add is i apologise to those who may disagree or have been offended - UTG Hi Old gas i have total respect and understanding for your posts therefore i shall respond with respect and understanding- firstly my 'rumour' is fact to the best of my knowledge - i think some people may be seeing this purely as an attack on our chairman by myself and this is not true - my motive if any was to 'out' the story cause if i know it Others must do too and why shouldn't everyone know? - plus try to get either the club or the consortium to 'show their hand' cause like everyone else i would like more and fuller confirmed details of whats happening
"Why don't i post the full facts?" Well sadly i don't have them all is the truth so as you are right to point out i'm posting half a story which must appear annoying but i took the decision to let people know half the facts cause i thought it was better than nothing at all and hopefully as i said before pressure will build on both parties to say something and then i can shut the feck up and we'll all be happy! of course time will tell if i was right or wrong to do so and i have to live with that - just thought i tried to clarify ok mate - absolutely no malice meant to anyone including our BoD and i really have no reason or need for attention seeking -UTGwell in any case it's a big ol can of worms. I see your reasoning, can't see any statement coming from the club anytime soon though. Well at least there's an AGM soon, personally I wouldn't want to be Higgs, he's gonna feel about as comfortable as a pig at David Cameron's house. |
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Post by Dr Gas on Sept 22, 2015 22:07:09 GMT
No; try again: I am not a good Samaritan; just someone with good manners: I do not need to read your previous posts: " I bet they are behind the computer wank1ng themselves off at the thought of other people not knowing the information that they do. why don't they just grow up....." does enough to question the integrity of the ITKs, and is insulting. If the information is already in the public domain, why are you getting so worked up about it? Surely it would be easy for you to find it for yourself? ok so maybe you should have read my other posts before banging the Mr nasty drum. Il post this one for you in the hope that might read my others and actually understand what was getting at, instead of trying police my manners, to which you have failed. I am an il mannered menice so doooo one!! For the record when I say public domain I mean when info is leaked not necessarily all over the Internet. Leaked info can still be hard to get hold of, hence why I'm so interested in this thread. Gas Go Marching In said: Gastroenteritis said:at the end of the day whether this rumour is true or not there are certain people on this forum who like to divulge slight bits of information to make themselves feel like they are part of a clique 'in the know' and seem to get off on watching other people speculate. I bet they are behind the computer wank1ng themselves off at the thought of other people not knowing the information that they do. why don't they just grow up and tell us what they know because if they know something then the information is already in the public domain. Find this disrespectful to be honest especially seeing as the main culprit on this occasion has done a lot for this wonderful club of ours helping set up the FFS etc. He didn't have to tell us as much as he has and I'm sure he feels slightly guilty even if he thought it was the right thing to do at saying as much as he has. how is it disrespectful, I have observed this kind of posting on this forum and the old one many times before with the same outcome, People left completely guessing. However I will retract my above statement in view of JTS?? but my point is if you are privy to info that others are not allowed then just don't say anything at all. What? I find your rambling makes no sense whatsoever. Methinks it best that I block you then I will not be tempted to respond to your nonsense and it will save you the trouble of thinking up any more "Mr" names to call me when you respond to my posts. Doing one as requested. How polite is that?  I told you I was well mannered, did I not?  |
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Post by Gastroenteritis on Sept 22, 2015 22:16:31 GMT
ok so maybe you should have read my other posts before banging the Mr nasty drum. Il post this one for you in the hope that might read my others and actually understand what was getting at, instead of trying police my manners, to which you have failed. I am an il mannered menice so doooo one!! For the record when I say public domain I mean when info is leaked not necessarily all over the Internet. Leaked info can still be hard to get hold of, hence why I'm so interested in this thread. Gas Go Marching In said: Gastroenteritis said:at the end of the day whether this rumour is true or not there are certain people on this forum who like to divulge slight bits of information to make themselves feel like they are part of a clique 'in the know' and seem to get off on watching other people speculate. I bet they are behind the computer wank1ng themselves off at the thought of other people not knowing the information that they do. why don't they just grow up and tell us what they know because if they know something then the information is already in the public domain. Find this disrespectful to be honest especially seeing as the main culprit on this occasion has done a lot for this wonderful club of ours helping set up the FFS etc. He didn't have to tell us as much as he has and I'm sure he feels slightly guilty even if he thought it was the right thing to do at saying as much as he has. how is it disrespectful, I have observed this kind of posting on this forum and the old one many times before with the same outcome, People left completely guessing. However I will retract my above statement in view of JTS?? but my point is if you are privy to info that others are not allowed then just don't say anything at all. What? I find your rambling makes no sense whatsoever. Methinks it best that I block you then I will not be tempted to respond to your nonsense and it will save you the trouble of thinking up any more "Mr" names to call me when you respond to my posts. Doing one as requested. How polite is that? I told you I was well mannered, did I not? Alright keep your knickers from riding up your crack Mr Blocker. Clearly things are getting lost in translation. Go on block me I dare you!!!! |
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Post by garystash on Sept 22, 2015 22:17:58 GMT
If there is an offer and NH is refusing to listen, could it be because he genuinely believes we will end up winning the appeal against Sainsbury?
Any offer received is likely to value the club at £12-15m (for the mem) less debt. If Sainsbury have to honour the contract, that £12-15m becomes £30m - doubling the clubs value overnight.
If you had a 51% stake (not sure if that is what NH owns), and truly believed we'd eventually win the court battle - what would you do?
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Post by Jomo on Sept 22, 2015 22:19:39 GMT
It is totally unrealistic for Higgs to carry on. Everyone can see how he has destroyed the club with hie egotistical and selfish ways. If it is possible to pay him off then we must. There is a great future for the club if he goes. If he does not. I fear administration will be calling on our door. The debts he has incurred for us are ridiculous , and yet he continues to borrow money, not his money but borrowed high interest money. He may have run a business, but he has no idea how to run a football club. The losers are the team that DC has put together and the tremendous fans we have.Shame on you Higgs, please GO. UTG I'd like to firstly say that I think the entire board are out of their depth, and I'd like to see some wealthy, professional and ambitious bods in charge, however, I think some of your statement about Nick Higgs are over the mark. He may not be perfect and he has made mistakes, but didn't we all think he'd done a great job as far as the stadium is concerned, up until Sainsburys, TRASH and co royally screwed him over. I believe he did the best he could to deliver a sustainable future for this club, who he does love. Unfortunately for him and for all us Gasheads the plan was scuppered by third party tossers. That doesn't make him egotistical and selfish in my eyes. As I said at first, I am not overly happy with the board and I cringe at the marketing and professionalism of the club sometimes, but they're not bad people and they deserve just a little bit more respect for their efforts. It is now though, time for them to respectfully move along, if the consortium are indeed capable of moving the club forward. |
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Post by Quartermaster on Sept 22, 2015 22:33:46 GMT
If there is an offer and NH is refusing to listen, could it be because he genuinely believes we will end up winning the appeal against Sainsbury? Any offer received is likely to value the club at £12-15m (for the mem) less debt. If Sainsbury have to honour the contract, that £12-15m becomes £30m - doubling the clubs value overnight. If you had a 51% stake (not sure if that is what NH owns), and truly believed we'd eventually win the court battle - what would you do? I'd recall that I had truly believed other things in the past, such as we'd have been playing in the UWE by now and question my judgement on such matters. |
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Sept 22, 2015 22:36:09 GMT
The forums have gone clucking mental in the last 72 hours. On Saturday a nice well-meaning bloke starts a rumour on the Internet; off the back of that Higgs is supposed to walk away from the club on the Wednesday morning and fellow gasheads are completely trashed left right and centre for passing on information they've received. No wonder we're a laughing stock. Friday actually. |
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Post by dave on Sept 23, 2015 0:30:10 GMT
If there is an offer and NH is refusing to listen, could it be because he genuinely believes we will end up winning the appeal against Sainsbury? NH has already said on numerous occasion that he is confident of winning the appeal against Sainsburys. He would nt be appealing if he didnt would he. The danger is if the chance of winning is the only thing thats stopping him from agreeing to a deal with anyone. That would be like putting all your money on green on a roulette table. If it does come in great but the odds are slim at best and could cost us everything. I have a couple of questions if someone wants to speculate (answer) these for me. Its my understansing that there is some question over how much the new stadium will actulally cost now that there has been a significant delay in the start of the build. It was £30m any one have any guesses as to what it might end up at? This is key when looking at the total amount of investment being made by whoever they are. If the stadium is built on UWE owned land (and the agreement is that it cant be mortgaged) who actually owns the Stadium? In this respect what vlue does it actually have. I assume it would never be able to be sold so does it just start depreciating in value once its built. Surely this doesnt make us a sound invenstment. Apologies if the answer to these are obvious and ive just missed it. It just seems that potentially to keep 'everyone' happy the amount needed to be input could be. Stadium £30m - £35m Bod Loans £8m - £10m Investment in the squad £1m - £2m (should be sufficient for starters) So basically anything between £40m & £50m - Assuming that they get the mem for this which they can then sell for £15m there investment wont need to be as much as seems to be being speculated about. |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 23, 2015 1:24:22 GMT
The club is worth what the Mem is worth. We have no other real assets.... The fans. Don't make me laugh.... |
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Post by Henbury Gas on Sept 23, 2015 1:27:32 GMT
As much a pain in the bum as an asset sometimes, lets not get carried away with how wonderful we are. We have a good following but an asset is going a bit far, we are as fickle as any other supporters, just ask NH. We hand over money consistently and reliably; that's a business asset. Yeah if we lost 15 games, That asset would disappear quickly |
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Sept 23, 2015 2:12:54 GMT
Incorrect. Over years of decline our average attendances have been remarkably consistent, and even improved year on year for the relegation season and the non-league sojourn. Gasheads don't bugger off when the going gets tough, and that is a real asset.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 5:59:47 GMT
Oh, I've been there Bags, believe me. Marry her? Your assuming it was just the one. I thought those memories had been locked away in a very dark room in my memory, and now you've opened the door again ** shudder **. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 6:08:16 GMT
I'm amazed at the level of mediocre service some gas heads are prepared to accept.
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