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Post by newmarketgas on Jul 19, 2014 8:15:55 GMT
Not for me, as Dinsdale says " it's like a trade union " . It's time we moved on from that shambolic set up and just went about our work without the 'brothers united' image. we had enogh pigs running around the pitch last season, I don't want another bunch of the same telling me how to support my choice of team. Just my opinion. ( Tin hat on ) :0)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 8:22:50 GMT
How will things change if we carry on as we were ?
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Post by newmarketgas on Jul 19, 2014 8:28:29 GMT
All I said was it is not for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 9:07:34 GMT
I guess what i was trying to get across is that its a blank canvass for its members to build into whatever they want it to be.
I think we need to force change at the club but i appreciate im in the minority.
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Post by bs10er on Jul 19, 2014 11:24:43 GMT
Did the Welly group agree to join with BRISCA? I cannot remember that(true I may have popped outside for a fag and missed it!)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 11:49:02 GMT
Did the Welly group agree to join with BRISCA? I cannot remember that(true I may have popped outside for a fag and missed it!) That was the impression given on the night. Like I said, they did clarify later that they would meet and talk with BRISA first, but I can quite see how Dins thinks it was a done deal.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 12:09:32 GMT
Seeing as they voted to merge and then said they had merged it appeared quite clear that they had merged.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jul 19, 2014 12:20:18 GMT
Seeing as they voted to merge and then said they had merged it appeared quite clear that they had merged. I'd like to make this very clear:
Yes, we had a vote asking if people thought we should merge. No, we did not say we had merged.They are two different things. I listened to what the people assembled wanted, but imo the vote was taken with little understanding of: Who are BRISA? What exactly do they want? How are they going to get it? What if they don't get it? Etc Now, having listened a little to two people who i assume represent BRISA (but wouldn't confirm they were actually running it) immediately after the July 1st meeting i had doubts about the questions i mentioned above, i was then emailed the next day by someone from BRISA and after carefully considering what was said to me i politely declined the offer to merge. As i said before, i fully support their efforts and hope they can indeed make a difference.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 12:31:38 GMT
Jon, mark said you had merged, i recall him saying it immediately after the vote. It was an almost unanimous decision in the room.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jul 19, 2014 12:37:27 GMT
Yes it was a unanimous decision. And Mark said "Well that's pretty decisive", but we DID NOT say we were merging. The meetings were about collating opinions with up to 80 Gasheads (across 2 evenings). Those opinions were taken away and analysed. If we agreed to merge we would have said on here and began moving forward, we didn't agree on it so that's that. Sorry for any confusion, but thats the facts.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 12:39:29 GMT
So basically 99% of the room wanted to merge but because you and Mark don't want to it wont happen ? Makes you look a bit controlling.
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Post by philbemmygas on Jul 19, 2014 12:42:38 GMT
I am with Jon on this, my recollection is that he stated he wanted to investigate first.
I want what is best for the club and fans, but not at any cost. Freedom of speech is everyone's right as was demonstrated on the night, the same as the right to choose ones own path in life.
Phil
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jul 19, 2014 12:43:25 GMT
So basically 99% of the room wanted to merge but because you and Mark don't want to it wont happen ? Makes you look a bit controlling. Controlling of what? - Ourselves?!?! We aren't a group, we aren't a club, we're 3 individuals who stood up and tried to get some communication with the Football Club at a time when everyone else did little other than moan about it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 12:54:22 GMT
I am with Jon on this, my recollection is that he stated he wanted to investigate first. I want what is best for the club and fans, but not at any cost. Freedom of speech is everyone's right as was demonstrated on the night, the same as the right to choose ones own path in life. Phil Then what was the point in having a vote ? If they are just three individuals why hold a vote about merging with brisa ? and then ignore the result?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 12:56:43 GMT
as far as I can see the 1st july meeting was about 30 blokes (and pat) stood in a tent discussing our football club, and debating operational issues....
I found the whole thing of a merge a bit odd, as the 'welly group' was neither a membership group, or a formal collection of regular attenders, just a casual, no-ties general communication....
anyone at that meeting could join up with brisa regardless of the outcome of any vote, and many have chose to do just that...
I can't see what the fuss is about, it's really up to the individuals what they want to be a part of....
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 12:58:02 GMT
So basically 99% of the room wanted to merge but because you and Mark don't want to it wont happen ? Makes you look a bit controlling. Controlling of what? - Ourselves?!?! We aren't a group, we aren't a club, we're 3 individuals who stood up and tried to get some communication with the Football Club at a time when everyone else did little other than moan about it. The meeting referred to the people there as being a group. Mark called it a protest group and then an action group. Htv were invited to film your protest group. To say its just three individuals is not right I just think you didnt like the end result.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 12:58:53 GMT
as far as I can see the 1st july meeting was about 30 blokes (and pat) stood in a tent discussing our football club, and debating operational issues.... I found the whole thing of a merge a bit odd, as the 'welly group' was neither a membership group, or a formal collection of regular attenders, just a casual, no-ties general communication.... anyone at that meeting could join up with brisa regardless of the outcome of any vote, and many have chose to do just that... I can't see what the fuss is about, it's really up to the individuals what they want to be a part of.... Hence the vote to see what people wanted
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Post by philbemmygas on Jul 19, 2014 12:59:47 GMT
as far as I can see the 1st july meeting was about 30 blokes (and pat) stood in a tent discussing our football club, and debating operational issues.... I found the whole thing of a merge a bit odd, as the 'welly group' was neither a membership group, or a formal collection of regular attenders, just a casual, no-ties general communication.... anyone at that meeting could join up with brisa regardless of the outcome of any vote, and many have chose to do just that... I can't see what the fuss is about, it's really up to the individuals what they want to be a part of.... Paul here here, nothing to stop anybody joining either group. see you soon for a beer
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 13:06:26 GMT
as far as I can see the 1st july meeting was about 30 blokes (and pat) stood in a tent discussing our football club, and debating operational issues.... I found the whole thing of a merge a bit odd, as the 'welly group' was neither a membership group, or a formal collection of regular attenders, just a casual, no-ties general communication.... anyone at that meeting could join up with brisa regardless of the outcome of any vote, and many have chose to do just that... I can't see what the fuss is about, it's really up to the individuals what they want to be a part of.... Paul here here, nothing to stop anybody joining either group. see you soon for a beer Agreed in which case they shouldn't have bothered with that section of the meeting. Lots of misleading info. I like the concept of informal meetings of gasheads but the meeting gave me a lot of false hopes.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jul 19, 2014 13:09:51 GMT
Controlling of what? - Ourselves?!?! We aren't a group, we aren't a club, we're 3 individuals who stood up and tried to get some communication with the Football Club at a time when everyone else did little other than moan about it. The meeting referred to the people there as being a group. Mark called it a protest group and then an action group. Htv were invited to film your protest group. To say its just three individuals is not right I just think you didnt like the end result. Mark said, "What are we an Action group, a Protest group, i don't know" HTV were invited to show that enough Gasheads were prepared to give up their time to assemble and share concerns and hopefully press for some better communication with our Board of Directors, it also applied a little pressure on the board to show it wasn't just "Keyboard warriors" complaining, it was genuine good natured, well meaning Gasheads sharing real concerns on how our once great club was going to move forward. To say i didn't like the result is misleading, i listened to the assembled peoples vote and sought clarification of what BRISA were about and who they were. I was not won over by their set up or some of their views, that was my decision to make. I cannot commit to something strongly if i don't know enough about it or have concerns on its structure. Now, i have to accept that some will say i didn't do what the majority would have liked, but would you commit time and energy to something that nobody still knows enough about, if you can then good for you and i wish you good luck, just as i do all at BRISA.
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