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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 13:15:29 GMT
Why does everything Rovers related always have to be polarised into two different factions? Rosetinters/Boardbashers IndependentForum/GasChat Wellies/BRISA Discussion and debate on the forums is great, but I think that people do tend to switch off when the same minor details are raised again and again. We're all Gasheads, just go with whatever suits you best!
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jul 19, 2014 13:22:06 GMT
Dinsdale.
In my opinion this thread was started by someone from BRISA and should be used to promote BRISA and tell us more about it.
Are you involved? Who is?
Much was made of who the 3 people hosting The Welly meetings were and we clarified who we were. Why is this thread turning into a "Why aren't you merging with BRISA?"
Let's hear more about BRISA, Can you give us some details?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 13:55:52 GMT
Im just a member Jon. They have outlined everything they stand for on their website and are due to hold their first meeting at the mem at the end of the month.
I understand they plan to fundraise for the brfc community department and communicate fan concerns and issues to the board in a way that the brsc cant do. The former part has massive crossover potential with things like the ffs and the latter with the wellie group. Hence my view (which i accept you dont want to do) that your involvement would have been a huge plus.
My own view and i dont speak for them is that they will be a supporters club that is not affiliated with the club and therefore not subject to the same restrictions as brsc. This means they can raise concerns about the clubs operation. The key at the moment is building links with the club itself and brsc which is happening and holding a meeting with its members to see what they want it to become. The people behind it dont particularly want to run it but facillitate its creation. I want it to operate inspired by what you achieved (not instead of) with the ffs and raise loads of money and what the wellie group achieved with bringing fans together. By having a name, a structure and a constitution it will hopefully be effective.
Again im just a member but i will argue my corner to make it a positive but challenging group set up for the benefit of brfc.
For the record they have been a bit slow off the ground because they wanted to allow the wellie group all the focus and attention it deserved.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 14:00:34 GMT
Ps i would be equally happy with brisa merging with the wellie group. We need one united and independent fan led group imo.
Im in a minority of 1 but i would like the fundraising arm of it to be the ffs and the political arm to be an independant supporters club of some shape or form.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 14:02:25 GMT
Why does everything Rovers related always have to be polarised into two different factions? Rosetinters/Boardbashers IndependentForum/GasChat Wellies/BRISA Discussion and debate on the forums is great, but I think that people do tend to switch off when the same minor details are raised again and again. We're all Gasheads, just go with whatever suits you best! That wasnt the intention i was simply questioning why the vote result to merge two fans groups wasnt followed through.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jul 19, 2014 14:30:06 GMT
Im just a member Jon. They have outlined everything they stand for on their website and are due to hold their first meeting at the mem at the end of the month. I understand they plan to fundraise for the brfc community department and communicate fan concerns and issues to the board in a way that the brsc cant do. The former part has massive crossover potential with things like the ffs and the latter with the wellie group. Hence my view (which i accept you dont want to do) that your involvement would have been a huge plus. My own view and i dont speak for them is that they will be a supporters club that is not affiliated with the club and therefore not subject to the same restrictions as brsc. This means they can raise concerns about the clubs operation. The key at the moment is building links with the club itself and brsc which is happening and holding a meeting with its members to see what they want it to become. The people behind it dont particularly want to run it but facillitate its creation. I want it to operate inspired by what you achieved (not instead of) with the ffs and raise loads of money and what the wellie group achieved with bringing fans together. By having a name, a structure and a constitution it will hopefully be effective. Again im just a member but i will argue my corner to make it a positive but challenging group set up for the benefit of brfc. For the record they have been a bit slow off the ground because they wanted to allow the wellie group all the focus and attention it deserved. Thank you. Now, following your own lead in which you wanted to know who the people running our little Welly group were (Bernard in particular), can you please confirm who runs BRISA and a little about them.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 14:37:21 GMT
I dont know anything about the 4 or 5 individuals behind it other then they are not connected to the club in any way unlike the wellie 3. They are yet to hold their first public meeting. I have met two of them before at away games and they seem very personable chaps. Im looking forward to finding more out about them at the meeting. One is a fan who now resides in new zealand, the other three are just life long fans that have connected over a desire to form a new supporters club. Its refreshing that they are people who are not connected to previous failed organisations therefore there is no baggage at club level.
I dont think any of them post on here but im sure they will put me right.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jul 19, 2014 14:41:59 GMT
I dont know anything about the 4 or 5 individuals behind it other then they are not connected to the club in any way unlike the wellie 3. They are yet to hold their first public meeting. I have met two of them before at away games and they seem very personable chaps. Im looking forward to finding more out about them at the meeting. One is a fan who now resides in new zealand, the other three are just life long fans that have connected over a desire to form a new supporters club. Its refreshing that they are people who are not connected to previous failed organisations therefore there is no baggage at club level. I dont think any of them post on here but im sure they will put me right. So would it be fair to say you have joined up to an organisation, the leaders of which you know nothing about? Who is hosting the meeting? Just playing devils advocate here, please don't think i'm being negative or criticising, i know from previous experience people will ask/want to know.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 14:44:07 GMT
I have personally believed ever since the share scheme was screwed over that we need a supporters club that is Independent. That is my passion rather then a commitment to the people behind brisa who im not connected with.
An Independent group representing us to improve our club, its merchandise and match day experience. I do not believe that is a million miles away from what you or anyone else wants. I do not feel brsc have achieved this.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jul 19, 2014 14:46:07 GMT
Now that is called dodging the question Dinsdale.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 14:46:15 GMT
I dont know anything about the 4 or 5 individuals behind it other then they are not connected to the club in any way unlike the wellie 3. They are yet to hold their first public meeting. I have met two of them before at away games and they seem very personable chaps. Im looking forward to finding more out about them at the meeting. One is a fan who now resides in new zealand, the other three are just life long fans that have connected over a desire to form a new supporters club. Its refreshing that they are people who are not connected to previous failed organisations therefore there is no baggage at club level. I dont think any of them post on here but im sure they will put me right. So would it be fair to say you have joined up to an organisation, the leaders of which you know nothing about? Who is hosting the meeting? Just playing devils advocate here, please don't think i'm being negative or criticising, i know from previous experience people will ask/want to know. I joined for free based on its objectives outlined on its website. I will no be handing over any cash until they meet and the issue you state are addressed. Who are they?, what are they about? How will it work etc etc. i have not made any commitment by signing up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 14:47:14 GMT
Now that is called dodging the question Dinsdale. What question ? Im not on their leadership.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 14:48:41 GMT
I went to your meeting without knowing who anyone was. As a result i found out and it concerned me and we discussed it. I would expect the same from brisa.
I had never heard of Mark or Bernard and i thought you were a teenager :-)
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jul 19, 2014 14:50:32 GMT
Now that is called dodging the question Dinsdale. What question ? Im not on their leadership. Who are the "leadership", don't you think you should know? You wanted me and the others to merge with them and you don't know who they are...Does that not sound a little strange to you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 14:53:49 GMT
I wanted you to bloody lead it not be taken over by it. I know one of the guys from watching games with him and he is a top bloke.
I believe in an independant supporters club set up by the fans. The idea is for everyone to decide a structure together not to be led by people blindly.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 14:54:58 GMT
Brisa is a concept its up to us to shape it which is what is so appealing rather then being dictated to.
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Post by Jon the Stripe on Jul 19, 2014 14:56:57 GMT
I wanted you to bloody lead it not be taken over by it. I know one of the guys from watching games with him and he is a top bloke. I believe in an independant supporters club set up by the fans. The idea is for everyone to decide a structure together not to be led by people blindly. Thank you. That's what i thought. And that's why i can't merge, sadly i don't have the time available to give it my all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 15:03:13 GMT
I was impressed with Marks presentation skills and your fund raising and the aims and objectives of brisa. The wellie group had no objectives or structure to it or even a name. The merger was about taking the best bits of both and in my idealistic world taking the experience of many people from the past such as John and rick and mixing with the positivity of many of the posters on here like yourself, Hugo and Chewbacca. (Who has great merchadising ideas btw)
If we ever got everyone on board we would be one hell of a positive force.
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Post by bs10er on Jul 19, 2014 15:04:30 GMT
BRISCA and its leaders(who we do not have names for yet)should post on here to let us know their aims etc,until then I for one will not be joining a group I know little if anything about. Each to his own of course. If in the future there are joint meetings with the possibilty of a merger,then I will consider it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 15:05:04 GMT
I wanted you to bloody lead it not be taken over by it. I know one of the guys from watching games with him and he is a top bloke. I believe in an independant supporters club set up by the fans. The idea is for everyone to decide a structure together not to be led by people blindly. Thank you. That's what i thought. And that's why i can't merge, sadly i don't have the time available to give it my all. Which is fine but it doesnt mean you cant get behind it or have an input or view on how it should work.
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