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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 15:06:17 GMT
BRISCA and its leaders(who we do not have names for yet)should post on here to let us know their aims etc,until then I for one will not be joining a group I know little if anything about. Each to his own of course. If in the future there are joint meetings with the possibilty of a merger,then I will consider it. Thats what the website and meeting is for. There was a meeting about a merger and we vote to merge. Keep up mate :-) Rich who is one of the organisers came to the wellie meeting and introduced brisa.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 16:05:32 GMT
You have to wonder why BRISA have so far failed to engage with normal fans though Dins. (by normal I mean no politicized fans). Or am I wrong?
Is it the lack of a charasmatic leader like Jon or Mark? I have no idea who leads BRISA and nor do you! Hardly inspiring.
Is it that they need to fight negative perceptions about who is behind it or why they are doing it?
Is it because they have not done anything to raise their profile much further than the IF?
Is it because people simply don't agree with them? Or just don't know what they are about?
Is it because we are all lazy and apathetic?
Dins seems to be the only positive voice for BRISA here, and I'm not sure why. Groups, forums or action groups should not belong to either tinters or negs. Again, I may be wrong but I am not seeing many tinters buy into BRISA with some saying its just not right for them.
Personally I feel its up to BRISA and its leaders to bridge that gap and actively canvas that positive support or it too will die on its ass.
Setting up a website with some aims isn't engaging me I'm afraid.
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Post by philbemmygas on Jul 19, 2014 16:47:16 GMT
You have to wonder why BRISA have so far failed to engage with normal fans though Dins. (by normal I mean no politicized fans). Or am I wrong? Is it the lack of a charasmatic leader like Jon or Mark? I have no idea who leads BRISA and nor do you! Hardly inspiring. Is it that they need to fight negative perceptions about who is behind it or why they are doing it? Is it because they have not done anything to raise their profile much further than the IF? Is it because people simply don't agree with them? Or just don't know what they are about? Is it because we are all lazy and apathetic? Dins seems to be the only positive voice for BRISA here, and I'm not sure why. Groups, forums or action groups should not belong to either tinters or negs. Again, I may be wrong but I am not seeing many tinters buy into BRISA with some saying its just not right for them. Personally I feel its up to BRISA and its leaders to bridge that gap and actively canvas that positive support or it too will die on its ass. Setting up a website with some aims isn't engaging me I'm afraid. Hugo, a well thought out & structured post. Apart from Dins on here & one or two mentions on twitter I have seen little about them, I gave up on the IF after this forum opened. Phil
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 16:50:40 GMT
You have to wonder why BRISA have so far failed to engage with normal fans though Dins. (by normal I mean no politicized fans). Or am I wrong? Is it the lack of a charasmatic leader like Jon or Mark? I have no idea who leads BRISA and nor do you! Hardly inspiring. Is it that they need to fight negative perceptions about who is behind it or why they are doing it? Is it because they have not done anything to raise their profile much further than the IF? Is it because people simply don't agree with them? Or just don't know what they are about? Is it because we are all lazy and apathetic? Dins seems to be the only positive voice for BRISA here, and I'm not sure why. Groups, forums or action groups should not belong to either tinters or negs. Again, I may be wrong but I am not seeing many tinters buy into BRISA with some saying its just not right for them. Personally I feel its up to BRISA and its leaders to bridge that gap and actively canvas that positive support or it too will die on its ass. Setting up a website with some aims isn't engaging me I'm afraid. Why not come to the meeting and see, ill even buy you a pint. I think you are right about the lack of engagement but I know they wanted to keep a low profile to allow the Wellie meetings to progress. I think the issue is that the people behind it have created a concept and want to meet to take it forward but until that meeting takes place they cant. Ultimately I believe it is destined to fail because we have very apathetic fans and its had a very slow start. Hopefully it will suprise me. I think the difference between BRISA and the Wellie stuff is it doesnt necessarily have a leader yet. It has 4 guys setting it up. I just want the fans to join together to improve our club, whatever we call it.
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Post by Hugo Admin on Jul 19, 2014 17:23:24 GMT
My biggest concern personally is that we force them as you say 'to pull their finger out' but that the finger is stuck in a hole in a very big financial dam which is going to release all hell.
I've said it before but noone seems to engage, just how financially screwed are we? That's what I want to know. Forget the performance stuff for a minute, what is the chance of us folding completely?
As far as I am aware, we are in massive debt, continually losing money and with doubts on the uwe and no sign of any investors. If we force the board and any of them pull out, we are for the dogs and then what?
The road to hell is paved with good intentions. Be careful what you wish for.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 17:34:57 GMT
I am hoping this. That the BRISA will, once properly organised, will represent a viable alternative to the discredited supporters club. An organisation that looks beyond simplicity of away travel and seeks to represent the fan base to the club, not act as a representative of the Bod to the fan base. It appears to me that the Wellington meetings were born out of anger to the relegation, with no real long term vision. Jon the Stripe's group is a social grouping and rightly, it appears, to want to steer away from any attempt at influencing the administration of the football club. Ultimately this should be about the long term strategy for the sustainability of OUR club, not about which group is pro this or that. I think there is a general consensus that the current BoD has made a pigs ear of all this and are desperately hoping that a new stadium will bail them out. And pigs might fly. There is little or no evidence that they know how to do this....so if we want a club, then guess what...we had better form one, because as it stands we are suffering a terminal condition, and recovery is based upon hope, not logic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 17:36:36 GMT
Ras wtf ?
Nobody is saying we should force the board out, where did that come from. Its that kind of "if we want to challenge the board it means we demand their removal" that will put people off. We have to engage them not alienate them.
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Post by Hugo Admin on Jul 19, 2014 17:38:35 GMT
Ras wtf ? Nobody is saying we should force the board out, where did that come from. Its that kind of "if we want to challenge the board it means we demand their removal" that will put people off. We have to engage them not alienate them. ah, no, not what I meant. I'm just worried that we are at a bit of a breaking point financially and heavy pressure may cause a reaction. I have no evidence for this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 17:52:32 GMT
Ras wtf ? Nobody is saying we should force the board out, where did that come from. Its that kind of "if we want to challenge the board it means we demand their removal" that will put people off. We have to engage them not alienate them. ah, no, not what I meant. I'm just worried that we are at a bit of a breaking point financially and heavy pressure may cause a reaction. I have no evidence for this. I think you are right RAS, but it wont be fan pressure that does that, it will be financial.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 18:18:38 GMT
I am hoping this. That the BRISA will, once properly organised, will represent a viable alternative to the discredited supporters club. An organisation that looks beyond simplicity of away travel and seeks to represent the fan base to the club, not act as a representative of the Bod to the fan base. It appears to me that the Wellington meetings were born out of anger to the relegation, with no real long term vision. Jon the Stripe's group is a social grouping and rightly, it appears, to want to steer away from any attempt at influencing the administration of the football club. Ultimately this should be about the long term strategy for the sustainability of OUR club, not about which group is pro this or that. I think there is a general consensus that the current BoD has made a pigs ear of all this and are desperately hoping that a new stadium will bail them out. And pigs might fly. There is little or no evidence that they know how to do this....so if we want a club, then guess what...we had better form one, because as it stands we are suffering a terminal condition, and recovery is based upon hope, not logic. Agreed
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Post by lockleazer on Jul 19, 2014 18:24:21 GMT
You have to wonder why BRISA have so far failed to engage with normal fans though Dins. (by normal I mean no politicized fans). Or am I wrong? Is it the lack of a charasmatic leader like Jon or Mark? I have no idea who leads BRISA and nor do you! Hardly inspiring. Is it that they need to fight negative perceptions about who is behind it or why they are doing it? Is it because they have not done anything to raise their profile much further than the IF? Is it because people simply don't agree with them? Or just don't know what they are about? Is it because we are all lazy and apathetic? Dins seems to be the only positive voice for BRISA here, and I'm not sure why. Groups, forums or action groups should not belong to either tinters or negs. Again, I may be wrong but I am not seeing many tinters buy into BRISA with some saying its just not right for them. Personally I feel its up to BRISA and its leaders to bridge that gap and actively canvas that positive support or it too will die on its ass. Setting up a website with some aims isn't engaging me I'm afraid. A website.. twitter...facebook.. 300 members we are engaging or else nobody would gave joined .. please see the post re wellygroup-BRISA fir more info.. the meeting will decide much of how BRISA works We wanted a set up in place to form this before taking things forward we then wanted to hold a meeting to engage fully with the fans before moving forward as a group.. We hope to use advice and knowledge from all fans to build a truly independent fans group to support the future of BRFC with ideas advice and questions that fans want answering.. personally my 1st objective will be to seek much better communication between the club and its fans Get to the meeting and make BRISA its a grouo that u can decide hiw it will work.. its us fans that can make a difference
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 18:29:24 GMT
You have to wonder why BRISA have so far failed to engage with normal fans though Dins. (by normal I mean no politicized fans). Or am I wrong? Is it the lack of a charasmatic leader like Jon or Mark? I have no idea who leads BRISA and nor do you! Hardly inspiring. Is it that they need to fight negative perceptions about who is behind it or why they are doing it? Is it because they have not done anything to raise their profile much further than the IF? Is it because people simply don't agree with them? Or just don't know what they are about? Is it because we are all lazy and apathetic? Dins seems to be the only positive voice for BRISA here, and I'm not sure why. Groups, forums or action groups should not belong to either tinters or negs. Again, I may be wrong but I am not seeing many tinters buy into BRISA with some saying its just not right for them. Personally I feel its up to BRISA and its leaders to bridge that gap and actively canvas that positive support or it too will die on its ass. Setting up a website with some aims isn't engaging me I'm afraid. A website.. twitter...facebook.. 300 members we are engaging or else nobody would gave joined .. please see the post re wellygroup-BRISA fir more info.. the meeting will decide much of how BRISA works Agreed, lots of stuff out there but this forum isnt everyones cup of tea just like the I.F isnt
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 19:00:39 GMT
How do we shape a group that already has aims, a constitution. Website etc? Seems a pretty well shaped thing already?
I had no say or input into BRISAs set up.
I am not griping, just saying.
It has been set up already. Here we are, heres our list of aims, here's our website. Bish bosh bash.
Join up. Or don't.
I have no problem with that.
The Welly group was very different. It was 3 well meaning blokes with a rough idea, who wanted input into how and what to do. A collaborative effort of all who attended. For me, where the Welly group lost my support/interest was when the merge with BRISA came up. Not because it is necessarily the wrong thing to do, and not necessarily because the idea wasn't supported by many there. What I didn't like was that (***personal conjecture alert***) at least 2 of the Welly leaders seemed to have already decided the merge was going to happen before it was even discussed.
To be clear, I have no problem with a collaboration of people deciding by majority rule.
I have no problem with a group stating "this is what are, are you with us?"
I am very wary when people try to do both.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 19:19:44 GMT
HoSometimes hape a group that already has aims, a constitution. Website etc? Seems a pretty well shaped thing already? I had no say or input into BRISAs set up. I am not gripparapet , just saying. It has been set up already. Here we are, heres our list of aims, here's our website. Bish bosh bash. Join up. Or don't. I have no problem with that. The Welly group was very different. It was 3 well meaning blokes with a rough idea, who wanted input into how and what to do. A collaborative effort of all who attended. For me, where the Welly group lost my support/interest was when the merge with BRISA came up. Not because it is necessarily the wrong thing to do, and not necessarily because the idea wasn't supported by many there. What I didn't like was that (***personal conjecture alert***) at least 2 of the Welly leaders seemed to have already decided the merge was going to happen before it was even discussed. To be clear, I have no problem with a collaboration of people deciding by majority rule. I have no problem with a group stating "this is what are, are you with us?" I am very wary when people try to do both. Starting from scratch though, its always like this. Sometimes to get things done you have to take a leap of faith, or nothing ever happens whilst waiting for perfection. It takes balls to stand up and put your head above the parapet. a
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Post by fanboy on Jul 19, 2014 19:43:50 GMT
HoSometimes hape a group that already has aims, a constitution. Website etc? Seems a pretty well shaped thing already? I had no say or input into BRISAs set up. I am not gripparapet , just saying. It has been set up already. Here we are, heres our list of aims, here's our website. Bish bosh bash. Join up. Or don't. I have no problem with that. The Welly group was very different. It was 3 well meaning blokes with a rough idea, who wanted input into how and what to do. A collaborative effort of all who attended. For me, where the Welly group lost my support/interest was when the merge with BRISA came up. Not because it is necessarily the wrong thing to do, and not necessarily because the idea wasn't supported by many there. What I didn't like was that (***personal conjecture alert***) at least 2 of the Welly leaders seemed to have already decided the merge was going to happen before it was even discussed. To be clear, I have no problem with a collaboration of people deciding by majority rule. I have no problem with a group stating "this is what are, are you with us?" I am very wary when people try to do both. Starting from scratch though, its always like this. Sometimes to get things done you have to take a leap of faith, or nothing ever happens whilst waiting for perfection. It takes balls to stand up and put your head above the parapet. a This exact description could be used for the Bristol Rovers board ... Lol.
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Post by peterparker on Jul 19, 2014 19:44:59 GMT
From what i gather BRISA has outlined broad aims in order to attact, however the finer points and extra activities are there for whatever the members want to make it.
BRISA again have done the formal work to hold information and put things into place, so that it is not for want of a better term "organised chaos" and a group of blokes talking to each other.
The board will only take (possibly) something serious if it has a mandate of some sorts and at least a formalised group will provide (again possibly) some weight
As was said previously, some people got people together, others have done the paperwork and it makes sense for it to come together in some form
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Post by lockleazer on Jul 19, 2014 21:29:56 GMT
From what i gather BRISA has outlined broad aims in order to attact, however the finer points and extra activities are there for whatever the members want to make it. BRISA again have done the formal work to hold information and put things into place, so that it is not for want of a better term "organised chaos" and a group of blokes talking to each other. The board will only take (possibly) something serious if it has a mandate of some sorts and at least a formalised group will provide (again possibly) some weight As was said previously, some people got people together, others have done the paperwork and it makes sense for it to come together in some form Exactly right.. a group needs foundations to be set up... we have provided those. BRISA's aims as they stand are fairly simple ideas that are there to be acted on and built around and added to. A lot of hard work has been done to get this far but the real hard work is to now build BRISA into a real independent fans voice ... we need the fans ideas,thoughts and support to do this
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2014 21:45:09 GMT
so does anybody actualy know who is running brisa....
i'd like to know as a fan of 30 years
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Post by aghast on Jul 19, 2014 22:04:11 GMT
So WHO is running BRISA? Simple easy question. Can the organisers declare themselves? Surely no reason to hold back on this - not that I'm suggesting anyone is keeping it secret, but it seems a bit - obscure - at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2014 7:53:25 GMT
they have on the BRISA and Wellie group thread.
I dont think the guys use this forum much
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