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Post by buckrippers on Jul 24, 2014 17:18:19 GMT
We have never met to my knowledge but thank you for your update via twitter which enabled me to check in as on holiday. I recognise your sentiments and get at least as frustrated with the attitude of so called supporters as events on the pitch. I note already barbed comments aimed at DC for failings in recruitment or on the pitch for what are utterly meaningless games. God help him and the team if this club fails to unite by 9th Aug. I didnt always like how he came accross at the meeting he was quite unproffessional and i felt he tried to hard to say things we wanted to hear. I liked his passion and optimism though. As a coach he is well respected at this level and he is trying to play football the right way which is really positive. Im more worried about the quantity then quality at this stage as cant claim to know a lot of his signings. I do believe we need an experienced striker and at least two more creative midfielders. We have a gret keeper and defence for this level but im not sure withtje reat of the side yet. I wish him good luck and hope he is as good as he keeps telling us. Exactly as I see it Dins. The managers who try to please all the supporters all the time tend to end up in a mess. It was the same with Paul Buckle. Their inexperience shows through. Just hope DC is as good as his word. It's all very well saying you want to attack - everyone would rather do that than defend for their lives - but you need a good tactician to make this work. So far I haven't seen the evidence. In DC's last eight games it was only against Portsmouth and Bury that we seemed to create anything. At Wimbledon we didn't have a chance, Wycombe we scored with only two chances we had, Morecambe produced the only chance in last seconds of the game and against Mansfield (though I wasn't there) all the twitter feeds seemed to suggest that they were tactical better than us. That's my worry. I hope he's a bit more tactical astute than he's shown so far.
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jul 24, 2014 17:52:55 GMT
I didnt always like how he came accross at the meeting he was quite unproffessional and i felt he tried to hard to say things we wanted to hear. I liked his passion and optimism though. As a coach he is well respected at this level and he is trying to play football the right way which is really positive. Im more worried about the quantity then quality at this stage as cant claim to know a lot of his signings. I do believe we need an experienced striker and at least two more creative midfielders. We have a gret keeper and defence for this level but im not sure withtje reat of the side yet. I wish him good luck and hope he is as good as he keeps telling us. Exactly as I see it Dins. The managers who try to please all the supporters all the time tend to end up in a mess. It was the same with Paul Buckle. Their inexperience shows through. Just hope DC is as good as his word. It's all very well saying you want to attack - everyone would rather do that than defend for their lives - but you need a good tactician to make this work. So far I haven't seen the evidence. In DC's last eight games it was only against Portsmouth and Bury that we seemed to create anything. At Wimbledon we didn't have a chance, Wycombe we scored with only two chances we had, Morecambe produced the only chance in last seconds of the game and against Mansfield (though I wasn't there) all the twitter feeds seemed to suggest that they were tactical better than us. That's my worry. I hope he's a bit more tactical astute than he's shown so far. I will never know how we lost that Mansfield game. We battered them in the second half.
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Post by gasincider on Jul 24, 2014 18:46:38 GMT
Strange how people have selective memories.
I've heard DC say on at least three occasions that he was partly responsible for relegation as he tried to change too much, too early. What more do you want, blood?
I assume JW did commit the sins DC spoke of, so if we want the truth, you have to accept it, warts and all. If not, the opposite is bulksh*t, and many on here say they are fed up with that.
Sometimes you can't do right for doing right. I believe DC is telling the truth, so if JW fuc*ed up! then I want to know so that it cannot now happen again,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2014 18:51:54 GMT
Strange how people have selective memories. I've heard DC say on at least three occasions that he was partly responsible for relegation as he tried to change too much, too early. What more do you want, blood? I assume JW did commit the sins DC spoke of, so if we want the truth, you have to accept it, warts and all. If not, the opposite is bulksh*t, and many on here say they are fed up with that. Sometimes you can't do right for doing right. I believe DC is telling the truth, so if JW fuc*ed up! then I want to know so that it cannot now happen again, Were you at the q and a?
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Post by inee on Jul 24, 2014 20:29:28 GMT
Why is it people always say where were you when stuff is answered, think about it dins how this thread was started yet when someone replies to a comment that could have bee gleaned from your twitter feed you ask where they were, so is it right that people who wern't tere cant form opinions ??
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Post by gasincider on Jul 25, 2014 9:18:59 GMT
Yes I was.
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Post by RD on Jul 25, 2014 9:23:55 GMT
Strange how people have selective memories. I've heard DC say on at least three occasions that he was partly responsible for relegation as he tried to change too much, too early. What more do you want, blood? I assume JW did commit the sins DC spoke of, so if we want the truth, you have to accept it, warts and all. If not, the opposite is bulksh*t, and many on here say they are fed up with that. Sometimes you can't do right for doing right. I believe DC is telling the truth, so if JW fuc*ed up! then I want to know so that it cannot now happen again, Couldn't agree more
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 12:09:43 GMT
There are obviously some very intelligent people on here yet I don't get how they are able to accept the " it was all JW's fault" and then, before him " it was LL's fault" It amazes me to see it swallowed so easily. Yes, it is not going to get us anywhere pushing it further but the board and Higgs in particular had to sign off on cheques and had the final say. Make of that what you will. Personally I find it poor form to blame a guy who asked to go but was cajoled and pushed into staying longer, he made it clear, on three seperate occasions, that he wanted to go. To do an hatchet job on a guy whose wife has cancer is bloody awful and it tells me more about the people involved than anything else. I bloody well hope this squad of players turn this sh** around.and get us talking about football.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 13:55:32 GMT
Then do you not agree he was trying to blame Ward For relegation and openly criticising players past and present. Just not very proffessional imo. I accept he previously said he accepts responsibility but i still think he is trying to deflect a lot of it. Ward would have bores us to death im certain would have kept us up. Madness to turn everything on its head so late on.
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Post by inee on Jul 25, 2014 14:45:12 GMT
The thing is JW quite rightly has to shoulder some blame but clearly before JW took on the role the board would have known of his situation and anyone who has been in a similar situation with illness in the family will know that you will never have your head 100% into your job, so tin foilhat time, what if JW was appointed for just that reason, why did others in the board not say nope sorry(maybe they did we simply don't know) , could others have thought good give em enough rope as it seems the board are split but again for how long we simply do not know, as KP said why wasn't John allowed to go upstairs as promised, to me it's says a lot about the man hat he carried on so as not to let the board down(rightly or wrongly), and as dins said people need to understand that JW is just a patsy for the club at this present time, also remember that a buisness is only as good as all its employees, by that i mean if someone is being an arse not pulling thier weight at your place of employ they will be told by others,some will jump forward and try to help that person some will run to the boss. Not many places will the majority of the shop floor say f**k it and do thier own thing, this is what appears to have happened with us. If the players really dint want to work for JW then they simply could have went to the board and say this isn't working move him upstairs(again this may or may not have happened we simply do not know). Again it's human nature to take the water out of employers, turn up late throw the odd sickie, surf google etc, but theres a fine line between taking the water like that and outright sh**ting on the bosses desk which is what appears to have happened with our squad, and again with players going to the press and saying they dint want to be here again just undermines the others who did want to be here and seems to have put them in a why should i bother mode, think about that last sentance your at work someone opposite you is younger gets more money does half the work you do and on top of that you have to try to clear up his sh** and then get bollocked when you cant,arn't you going to say screw the lot of you im on a work to rule,again high wages whose fault is that think about yes its the managers fault but more so its the boards fault as we are the club that pays well even if your sh**, I hate the sh** with all my heart but i have to take my hat off(makes me sick) to the duke of guernsey as he has set up a fans parliment, who meet regularily through the season and not only question board members but also get told about happenings in the club(by that i dont mean gossip but things that will affect the fans etc.) We have had one meeting, the board needs to think about this and instigate something similar but it needs to be open to everyone not just the old boys network, The one good thing about clarke is he has said come here to play not just the money, hes also come out and said the players need to buck up, this in my opinion is great for the club ,but the board need to do the same , People like BSS get layed into regualrily but we have to remember he can only do what he's allowed to do if he questions to much he will be out on his ear but he can put things to the board, people seem to think brian spends matchdays sat in box one on his arse, but i can assure you on matchday hes worked like a dog, if anything goes wrong its brian who has to sort it out. Like when the electrrics died it was left to Brian to run around and sort it ut, brian also spends time wandering around during matches and stop to speak to anyone who has a question for him, it's a crying shame that the board dont do this, maybe different members in the bar at 1/2 time but again thats the way it is in our club. So what is the answer i honestly do not know, i can only speak for myself, but i would make the board more accesable using the shits model of a fans parliment, i would give honest answers as i really do not care if what i say upsets people i only care that i tell the truth, i would have monthly appraisals with the playing staff from the manager down to the floor cleaners, because if the floors are covered in sh**e who is going to give 100% people seem to forget that its a team effort from the lowest to the top, again i learned a long time ago when doing technical appraisals on engineers where i worked if you give someone a sheetfull of negatives they are going to grumble(just the way people are the days soft as sh**e) but if you include some positives as well people tend to want to improve and will do so(most not all) also give targeted improvements with say a bonus, ie if you dont let the opposition score more than 5 goals in the next month you get a couple of hundred nots in you pay packet, not a lot but a defined target to aim for, and the door would always be open
I Musst be ill as i've typed another sensible post ,i think i need to book me self into the nuthouse fer a week or two
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 17:50:34 GMT
The thing is JW quite rightly has to shoulder some blame but clearly before JW took on the role the board would have known of his situation and anyone who has been in a similar situation with illness in the family will know that you will never have your head 100% into your job, so tin foilhat time, what if JW was appointed for just that reason, why did others in the board not say nope sorry(maybe they did we simply don't know) , could others have thought good give em enough rope as it seems the board are split but again for how long we simply do not know, as KP said why wasn't John allowed to go upstairs as promised, to me it's says a lot about the man hat he carried on so as not to let the board down(rightly or wrongly), and as dins said people need to understand that JW is just a patsy for the club at this present time, also remember that a buisness is only as good as all its employees, by that i mean if someone is being an arse not pulling thier weight at your place of employ they will be told by others,some will jump forward and try to help that person some will run to the boss. Not many places will the majority of the shop floor say f**k it and do thier own thing, this is what appears to have happened with us. If the players really dint want to work for JW then they simply could have went to the board and say this isn't working move him upstairs(again this may or may not have happened we simply do not know). Again it's human nature to take the water out of employers, turn up late throw the odd sickie, surf google etc, but theres a fine line between taking the water like that and outright sh*tting on the bosses desk which is what appears to have happened with our squad, and again with players going to the press and saying they dint want to be here again just undermines the others who did want to be here and seems to have put them in a why should i bother mode, think about that last sentance your at work someone opposite you is younger gets more money does half the work you do and on top of that you have to try to clear up his sh*t and then get bollocked when you cant,arn't you going to say screw the lot of you im on a work to rule,again high wages whose fault is that think about yes its the managers fault but more so its the boards fault as we are the club that pays well even if your sh*t, I hate the sh*t with all my heart but i have to take my hat off(makes me sick) to the duke of guernsey as he has set up a fans parliment, who meet regularily through the season and not only question board members but also get told about happenings in the club(by that i dont mean gossip but things that will affect the fans etc.) We have had one meeting, the board needs to think about this and instigate something similar but it needs to be open to everyone not just the old boys network, The one good thing about clarke is he has said come here to play not just the money, hes also come out and said the players need to buck up, this in my opinion is great for the club ,but the board need to do the same , People like BSS get layed into regualrily but we have to remember he can only do what he's allowed to do if he questions to much he will be out on his ear but he can put things to the board, people seem to think brian spends matchdays sat in box one on his arse, but i can assure you on matchday hes worked like a dog, if anything goes wrong its brian who has to sort it out. Like when the electrrics died it was left to Brian to run around and sort it ut, brian also spends time wandering around during matches and stop to speak to anyone who has a question for him, it's a crying shame that the board dont do this, maybe different members in the bar at 1/2 time but again thats the way it is in our club. So what is the answer i honestly do not know, i can only speak for myself, but i would make the board more accesable using the shits model of a fans parliment, i would give honest answers as i really do not care if what i say upsets people i only care that i tell the truth, i would have monthly appraisals with the playing staff from the manager down to the floor cleaners, because if the floors are covered in sh*te who is going to give 100% people seem to forget that its a team effort from the lowest to the top, again i learned a long time ago when doing technical appraisals on engineers where i worked if you give someone a sheetfull of negatives they are going to grumble(just the way people are the days soft as sh*te) but if you include some positives as well people tend to want to improve and will do so(most not all) also give targeted improvements with say a bonus, ie if you dont let the opposition score more than 5 goals in the next month you get a couple of hundred nots in you pay packet, not a lot but a defined target to aim for, and the door would always be open I Musst be ill as i've typed another sensible post ,i think i need to book me self into the nuthouse fer a week or two Not quite It was so long everyone gave up!!!
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Post by wakeygas on Jul 25, 2014 19:50:27 GMT
I would imagine the BOD will be less tense and defensive too the more of these we have. Sounds at the least like a good start. You're probably right there, Hugo. Mr Higgs probably felt like he was about to be thrown to the lions, bearing in mind some of the bile and vitreol directed at him of late (so hats off to him for turning up). Perhaps now we can develop a more constructive dialogue going forwards.
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Post by wakeygas on Jul 25, 2014 19:55:32 GMT
Dins , i really wouldnt worry what other people say or type on a fotum/twitter people will always have different opionions to each other ... some found last night a positive experience, personally i was glad they held and it and appriciate that they did but i found some of the answers to SOME questions ranged from bewildering to just not good enough and there was too little depth to some answers , however i was hugely impressed by DC and also very pleased with Chris Jelf and would love to see him offered the Chairman role as he is a much more assured operator when public speaking and has a much more positive manner. I thought despite his claims Nick Higgs was very defensive and often bordering on very angry at the fact some people dared to question his answers. I thought Barry Bradshaw spoke very well and at least offered some changes , I thought Toni Watola bumbled his way through with no real conviction and hasnt lifted any fears i have about the clubs finances both presently and in the UWE led future. BSS had no real role to play did a speech saying how important fans are and that was it really no actual input beyond that (not a criticism as such there just wasnt anything for him to add too) Ken masters had a tricky job of controlling the meeting but he caused issues with his manner and attitude at times, im sure Ken is lovely bloke but last night i saw a person who was not prepared to let some people have there say (when it suited him!) and he's comment early in the meeting to a chap at the back of the room was a disgraceful way to spaek to a supporter (claiming the chap had been scowling at him since 7pm) the poor bloke was only trying to finish asking his question, he also replied to a question about future support and proceeded rambled on for ages about the work in the community and the study programme (a great thing by the way but totally irrelevent to the question asked) all we wanted was to know why the quid a kid scheme wasnt perminent and what other/NEW methods were being used to find the next generation of gasheads!! This is my Biggest issue with Rovers , The cheap Kids ST with an adult is great but withat least 3000 empty spaces at the ground every week IMO under 12's at least should be FREE! we may lose a small amount ion that in short term but in 5-10 years you will have a young fan base hooked on the gas and will earn the club more than its moneys worth when then turn 13/16/18... but thats prob best for another thread on its own!! Great post. Really useful for those of us who couldn't be there.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2014 20:05:55 GMT
Just reading that post again. Rather than free entry for kids with a paying adult, why not free entry for an adult with paying kids? There could be quite a few Mums and Dads out there that don't want to pay £18 to come watch but if the kid pays a £5 form the moneybox which gets Mum in for free, they might be up for it.(The match) This could work on a database system so that you only get 1 or 2 bites of the cherry.
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Post by wakeygas on Jul 25, 2014 20:08:34 GMT
We have never met to my knowledge but thank you for your update via twitter which enabled me to check in as on holiday. I recognise your sentiments and get at least as frustrated with the attitude of so called supporters as events on the pitch. I note already barbed comments aimed at DC for failings in recruitment or on the pitch for what are utterly meaningless games. God help him and the team if this club fails to unite by 9th Aug. I didnt always like how he came accross at the meeting he was quite unproffessional and i felt he tried to hard to say things we wanted to hear. I liked his passion and optimism though. As a coach he is well respected at this level and he is trying to play football the right way which is really positive. Im more worried about the quantity then quality at this stage as cant claim to know a lot of his signings. I do believe we need an experienced striker and at least two more creative midfielders. We have a gret keeper and defence for this level but im not sure withtje reat of the side yet. I wish him good luck and hope he is as good as he keeps telling us. He's probably just young enough to have received the "come out with meaningless platitudes and kiss the shirt at every opportunity" media training that all players seem to get these days.
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Post by phillistine on Jul 26, 2014 6:57:45 GMT
I have seen some compliments to Chris Jelf and suggestions based upon his performance at the meeting that he should be offered the chair
I don't know the guy and you may be right but I understand that he was approached when Nick offered to stand down and declined for reasons I don't know. It may be simply that he wasn't prepared or couldn't give the commitment needed .
nick Higgs may not have the polish in front of the cameras or he may be uneasy with a higher profile but credit him for sticking with it when it seems that most club chairmen accept the role just to get the personal profile that Nick seems uneasy with
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Post by Hugo Admin on Jul 26, 2014 7:24:36 GMT
I have seen some compliments to Chris Jelf and suggestions based upon his performance at the meeting that he should be offered the chair I don't know the guy and you may be right but I understand that he was approached when Nick offered to stand down and declined for reasons I don't know. It may be simply that he wasn't prepared or couldn't give the commitment needed . nick Higgs may not have the polish in front of the cameras or he may be uneasy with a higher profile but credit him for sticking with it when it seems that most club chairmen accept the role just to get the personal profile that Nick seems uneasy with Seems to get overlooked a bit the fact that Nick offered to stand down. Jelf is a good talker. I would be encouraging him to do more of the interviews and reports to be honest as he seems to please fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 8:02:11 GMT
Chris Jelf being nominated by fans to take over due to confident speaking at 90 min fans QnA shock horror. If he is such a confident speaker, maybe he could have confidently spoken up during some of the shambolic decicision making processes. Not all the best leaders are confident speakers. Anybody seen The Kings Speech?
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Post by alasitsgas on Jul 26, 2014 11:05:43 GMT
Bearing in mind i went out of my way to provide live streams from the q and a and welle group i cant belive some of the sh*t i have recieved on twitter and here via messages or whatever. So what if i thought Brian was a nice guy and i liked Kirsty. So what if i enjoyed myself and felt positive. Some people cant accept any form of pleasantry about the club whatsoever. All i try and do is say it how i see it. Im certainly not going to be bullied by anyone. If i criticise the club i get told im a board basher and if i praise the club i'm naive or made to look an idiot. I think some of our fans need to take a long hard look at themselves. No point using forums or trying to get involved anymore imo. Dont need the sh*t. Have just read the article and i for one appreciate what you have done at Q&A and feel sorry that some people have a very short memory.My best advice i can offer is get off twitter
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2014 18:01:51 GMT
Chris Jelf being nominated by fans to take over due to confident speaking at 90 min fans QnA shock horror. If he is such a confident speaker, maybe he could have confidently spoken up during some of the shambolic decicision making processes. Not all the best leaders are confident speakers. Anybody seen The Kings Speech? Agreed, chris has never put himself into the public eye but came accross well at the meeting. He is a very wealthy man with a successfull buisness, be good for him to step forward and at least have more of a profile, now he is in charge of team performance i would expect that.
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