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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 15, 2015 17:57:06 GMT
I quoted you directly from the article where you said you were not a fan. Of course you were referring to Nicholls. Truth is if you are willing to dish it out, then you need to be able to take some criticism yourself, even if you don't agree. There are plenty of people that seem to enjoy negative criticism of the team more than supporting. That has been the case for years at the ground and it is something that I have never really understood. You produced a blog one week that took a swipe at Harrison and one a week later had a go at Nicholls, based on limited evidence. Anyway, you'll be pleased to know Nicholls had a good game yesterday. V pleased about Nicholls, Curly, glad he impressed. My point on the fan criticism was that you weren't debating the point, your criticism was completely personal. Fair enough, I can take it. I would point out though that my piece on Harrison was full of praise for him. I wasn't knocking him as a player I was saying that if he concentrated on the pitch and ignored things going on off it, he might squeeze into Chris Coleman's Wales squad. I tried to choose my words carefully because he's someone we should be lauding for being "One of our own" not knocking because he's been seeing watching a Bristol City match. But, in turn, he needs to understand that you get a small minority at every club who will send you vindictive tweets etc, and he shouldn't view the whole fanbase as against him - which I was afraid he might be doing. Even though he said in an interview he wasn't bothered by the reaction, his actions suggested otherwise. It wasn't a piece meant to "have a go" or knock his confidence, it was an effort to gee him up in what he should view as a very important year. After all, Euro 2016 might be the only chance he gets in his lifetime to go to a major football tournament if Wales past record is anything to go by. Giggs, Hughes, Rush, Southall, Ratcliffe, Yorath, Saunders... none of them every got the opportunity. Why do you continue to ignore the fact the cupped hand to his hear his Harrison normal way of celebrating goals, it was nothing to do with "twitter gate"? Unless something happens off the pitch this week then at least you've go nothing negative to blog about this week.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 15, 2015 19:14:39 GMT
V pleased about Nicholls, Curly, glad he impressed. My point on the fan criticism was that you weren't debating the point, your criticism was completely personal. Fair enough, I can take it. I would point out though that my piece on Harrison was full of praise for him. I wasn't knocking him as a player I was saying that if he concentrated on the pitch and ignored things going on off it, he might squeeze into Chris Coleman's Wales squad. I tried to choose my words carefully because he's someone we should be lauding for being "One of our own" not knocking because he's been seeing watching a Bristol City match. But, in turn, he needs to understand that you get a small minority at every club who will send you vindictive tweets etc, and he shouldn't view the whole fanbase as against him - which I was afraid he might be doing. Even though he said in an interview he wasn't bothered by the reaction, his actions suggested otherwise. It wasn't a piece meant to "have a go" or knock his confidence, it was an effort to gee him up in what he should view as a very important year. After all, Euro 2016 might be the only chance he gets in his lifetime to go to a major football tournament if Wales past record is anything to go by. Giggs, Hughes, Rush, Southall, Ratcliffe, Yorath, Saunders... none of them every got the opportunity. Why do you continue to ignore the fact the cupped hand to his hear his Harrison normal way of celebrating goals, it was nothing to do with "twitter gate"? Unless something happens off the pitch this week then at least you've go nothing negative to blog about this week. Oh ye of little faith. Trololol
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Post by curlywurly on Nov 20, 2015 9:40:06 GMT
Take a bow Nick: "There are supporters who seem to want to get on the negativity bandwagon at every opportunity and social media has given them the opportunity to do that. I don't read twitter or read papers and I'd rather that none of my players did either, but I can't physically stop them from doing it. "What I have said is that if they are going to read it they better have a thick skin and be able to handle the criticism because there seems to be a different scapegoat every week. www.bristolpost.co.uk/BRISTOL-ROVERS-Darrell-Clarke-adopts-siege/story-28207050-detail/story.html#ixzz3s1THPxvX
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Post by buckrippers on Nov 20, 2015 10:02:01 GMT
Take a bow Nick: "There are supporters who seem to want to get on the negativity bandwagon at every opportunity and social media has given them the opportunity to do that. I don't read twitter or read papers and I'd rather that none of my players did either, but I can't physically stop them from doing it. "What I have said is that if they are going to read it they better have a thick skin and be able to handle the criticism because there seems to be a different scapegoat every week. www.bristolpost.co.uk/BRISTOL-ROVERS-Darrell-Clarke-adopts-siege/story-28207050-detail/story.html#ixzz3s1THPxvXHow does DC know there is a different scapegoat every week... He doesn't read any of it! Maybe he'll read my piece on Matty Taylor this week, or maybe he won't
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Post by curlywurly on Nov 20, 2015 10:12:04 GMT
Take a bow Nick: "There are supporters who seem to want to get on the negativity bandwagon at every opportunity and social media has given them the opportunity to do that. I don't read twitter or read papers and I'd rather that none of my players did either, but I can't physically stop them from doing it. "What I have said is that if they are going to read it they better have a thick skin and be able to handle the criticism because there seems to be a different scapegoat every week. www.bristolpost.co.uk/BRISTOL-ROVERS-Darrell-Clarke-adopts-siege/story-28207050-detail/story.html#ixzz3s1THPxvXHow does DC know there is a different scapegoat every week... He doesn't read any of it! Maybe he'll read my piece on Matty Taylor this week, or maybe he won't Conversation in the dressing room goes like this: Nicholls: I know I've made a couple of howlers recently boss, but I want to try my best to improve and succeed for this team. Clarke: Good Lad. Nicholls: There is one thing boss. I'm not sure the fans are backing me. See this article from a fan saying I'm rubbish. Harrison: Is that the same tw*t that was criticising me last week in the Post? Him and the trolls on twitter are getting on my nerves. Clarke: You don't need to worry about the real fans lads. Don't read that rubbish. Just listen to the response you get from them at home and away, but if it is troubling you, just leave it to me lads. I'll see what I can do. Taylor: I don't know what you two are worrying about. That Nick Ripp is a fabulous journalist and obviously a man of good taste. That TBone on the otherhand!
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Post by lpgas on Nov 20, 2015 10:12:12 GMT
Slagging off your own players in the media is a big no no for me. Gave up reading his "Blog" a long tie ago because he doesn't see what the rest of us do. I also think that he, and some others on here have Premieritis. That is they watch the Premiere League on the telly then expect our own players to be able to play the same. If Nichols was any better we wouldn't have him, and the same applies to the rest of the team. My suggestion is that he should stop writing in the Post and get a season ticket at Arsenal
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Post by buckrippers on Nov 20, 2015 10:22:03 GMT
Slagging off your own players in the media is a big no no for me. Gave up reading his "Blog" a long tie ago because he doesn't see what the rest of us do. I also think that he, and some others on here have Premieritis. That is they watch the Premiere League on the telly then expect our own players to be able to play the same. If Nichols was any better we wouldn't have him, and the same applies to the rest of the team. My suggestion is that he should stop writing in the Post and get a season ticket at Arsenal What a load of crap. Hate the Premier League and all the b***ocks I have to listen to from so-called Premier League fans up here in London. If that was the case why would I go to Luton on a Tuesday night, or Cambridge on a friday, and spend a load of cash when West Ham is just down the road? Sorry I'm not as good a "fan" as you guys. I'll try harder
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Post by curlywurly on Nov 20, 2015 10:27:42 GMT
.......sometimes my stuff is not rose-tinted and I identify things that can spark a debate. Like this one. All I seem to get out of it is a load of earache from my fellow supporters......... This time, the earache is from the Manager, who would prefer if you were not so critical of his players.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Nov 20, 2015 10:34:27 GMT
.......sometimes my stuff is not rose-tinted and I identify things that can spark a debate. Like this one. All I seem to get out of it is a load of earache from my fellow supporters......... This time, the earache is from the Manager, who would prefer if you were not so critical of his players. Think our manager needs to grow a pair if he can't handle at bit of constructive criticism
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Post by curlywurly on Nov 20, 2015 10:48:04 GMT
This time, the earache is from the Manager, who would prefer if you were not so critical of his players. Think our manager needs to grow a pair if he can't handle at bit of constructive criticism I suspect he is trying to deflect (unwarranted) criticism from his players. I don't think much of the criticism has been in any way constructive though.
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Post by oldgas on Nov 20, 2015 11:33:52 GMT
Slagging off your own players in the media is a big no no for me. Gave up reading his "Blog" a long tie ago because he doesn't see what the rest of us do. I also think that he, and some others on here have Premieritis. That is they watch the Premiere League on the telly then expect our own players to be able to play the same. If Nichols was any better we wouldn't have him, and the same applies to the rest of the team. My suggestion is that he should stop writing in the Post and get a season ticket at Arsenal Spot on and totally agree. I watched the England France match on the telly this week and the skill, quality and speed of thought of these international players is breathtaking. Given that plenty of them ply their trade in the Premier it's not surprising people get upset when they see how players in the lower leagues perform. Having said that, I'd much rather watch the Gas home or away, than a Prem game on the TV. I went to nearly every home game and a good few away last season and in the main I thoroughly enjoyed the experience. I'm glad we got promotion, but that was proper grass roots football. Me and my lad thought we'd turned up to a church fete at Welling, there was a huge contingent from Bristol, and they were selling entrance tickets from trestle tables with those little cash boxes for the money at the stadium entrance. Priceless! AS long as you keep reminding yourself these guys are playing in our league for a reason then it's entirely possible to enjoy what's on offer. As for DC, I agree with his sentiments. He's not complaining about social media, just saying it how it is, and warning his players. Accordingly.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 20, 2015 11:40:45 GMT
Slagging off your own players in the media is a big no no for me. Gave up reading his "Blog" a long tie ago because he doesn't see what the rest of us do. I also think that he, and some others on here have Premieritis. That is they watch the Premiere League on the telly then expect our own players to be able to play the same. If Nichols was any better we wouldn't have him, and the same applies to the rest of the team. My suggestion is that he should stop writing in the Post and get a season ticket at Arsenal Spot on and totally agree. I watched the England France match on the telly this week and the skill, quality and speed of thought of these international players is breathtaking. Given that plenty of them ply their trade in the Premier it's not surprising people get upset when they see how players in the lower leagues perform. Having said that, I'd much rather watch the Gas home or away, than a Prem game on the TV. I went to nearly every home game and a good few away last season and in the main I thoroughly enjoyed the experience. I'm glad we got promotion, but that was proper grass roots football. Me and my lad thought we'd turned up to a church fete at Welling, there was a huge contingent from Bristol, and they were selling entrance tickets from trestle tables with those little cash boxes for the money at the stadium entrance. Priceless! AS long as you keep reminding yourself these guys are playing in our league for a reason then it's entirely possible to enjoy what's on offer. As for DC, I agree with his sentiments. He's not complaining about social media, just saying it how it is, and warning his players. Accordingly. Not really sure that was the case at the Mem up this season up until Saturday's win? The fact Lines himself has since admitted he's been off form this season perhaps supports some of the stick he's been getting from fans.
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Post by oldgas on Nov 20, 2015 12:23:29 GMT
Spot on and totally agree. I watched the England France match on the telly this week and the skill, quality and speed of thought of these international players is breathtaking. Given that plenty of them ply their trade in the Premier it's not surprising people get upset when they see how players in the lower leagues perform. Having said that, I'd much rather watch the Gas home or away, than a Prem game on the TV. I went to nearly every home game and a good few away last season and in the main I thoroughly enjoyed the experience. I'm glad we got promotion, but that was proper grass roots football. Me and my lad thought we'd turned up to a church fete at Welling, there was a huge contingent from Bristol, and they were selling entrance tickets from trestle tables with those little cash boxes for the money at the stadium entrance. Priceless! AS long as you keep reminding yourself these guys are playing in our league for a reason then it's entirely possible to enjoy what's on offer. As for DC, I agree with his sentiments. He's not complaining about social media, just saying it how it is, and warning his players. Accordingly. Not really sure that was the case at the Mem up this season up until Saturday's win? The fact Lines himself has since admitted he's been off form this season perhaps supports some of the stick he's been getting from fans. However that is entirely my point. If CL played with that much verve and authority week in week out he would be with Sheffield Wednesday and playing in the Championship. It's not his fault if his form deserted him for a while, DC saw the problem, dropped him and gave him time to recover, that's the managers job. I only have an issue with players who couldn't give a flying f@ck, and we've had a few of those in the recent past, lazy, idle Sh!ts who didn't think give a toss and were only interested in picking up a pay cheque most of us could only dream of. Thankfully those days days are in the past with the DC regime. People might moan about Matty Taylor, but he doesn't miss those chances on purpose. What I do admire is the way he picks himself up and goes for it again, he never hides or goes AWOL. Just imagine if he didn't miss the proportion of chances he does, Championship at least.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 20, 2015 12:59:27 GMT
Well Andy Williams & Duffy use to get similar stick, if not more, and what was probably well before social media even existed.
I guess the difference now is what was being said on the terraces, in the pub and at work is now on Twitter, FB & forums.
Not really sure that makes a lot of difference, unless the players start taking what they've read to heart.
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Post by curlywurly on Nov 20, 2015 13:19:49 GMT
.....Not really sure that makes a lot of difference, unless the players start taking what they've read to heart. I'd suggest some of them do, from what the manager has said.
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Post by Topper Gas on Nov 20, 2015 13:20:54 GMT
.....Not really sure that makes a lot of difference, unless the players start taking what they've read to heart. I'd suggest some of them do, from what the manager has said. But any more so than Andy Williams was effected in the past? Sent from my GT-I9505 using Tapatalk
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Post by curlywurly on Nov 20, 2015 13:40:02 GMT
I'd suggest some of them do, from what the manager has said. But any more so than Andy Williams was effected in the past? Possibly the criticism is more abundant/in their face because of social media and the accessibility to contact the players directly now. I've always avoided the temptation to criticise our current players. Offering under performing players encouragement always seems the best way to support the team IMO, but it clearly isn't everyone's approach.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 20, 2015 14:28:08 GMT
But any more so than Andy Williams was effected in the past? Possibly the criticism is more abundant/in their face because of social media and the accessibility to contact the players directly now. I've always avoided the temptation to criticise our current players. Offering under performing players encouragement always seems the best way to support the team IMO, but it clearly isn't everyone's approach. Praise improves performance, criticism improves excuses.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Nov 20, 2015 14:38:34 GMT
Possibly the criticism is more abundant/in their face because of social media and the accessibility to contact the players directly now. I've always avoided the temptation to criticise our current players. Offering under performing players encouragement always seems the best way to support the team IMO, but it clearly isn't everyone's approach. Praise improves performance, criticism improves excuses. Great post. Well done. (No, it's not.)
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Nov 20, 2015 15:09:15 GMT
Praise improves performance, criticism improves excuses. Great post. Well done. (No, it's not.)Thanks Huggy. I just want to do better for you now.
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